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Proc sets are ruining PVP
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Hmmm...another faux word bites the dust. I've always wondered where these little catch phrases/words come from in the first place. Did some streamer say it once and everyone just thought "dude that's so awesome, I'm going to use it in every sentence"?0 -
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All I remember of that fight was how eLava_Croft wrote: »
PvE did not become braindead easy because of any crying PvP players. It became easy because the casuals that make up the majority of ESO's player base these days just want to walk through all the content without effort.LadyDestiny wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
It became braindead easy because everyone cried "nerf", Everything is killing me! Because pvpers cried "nerf", everyone is killing me!
Oh i remember Doshia from the Fighters Guild quest line around lvl 10s in beta. Most OP boss in those days as a solo player. What a cancer fight was that. But actually very challenging and fun!
Met her again couple days ago with my alt and I felt so sorry for her. I cried inside.
Wrobel design encapsulated in a single screenshot.just thought i would leave this here, as a mageblade i have to play perfectly (as in not get hit at all) or this happens, im not bitter against the players just against ZoS for turning pvp into this insta kill nightmare. and for the record i run impen.
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No its not on par with veli at all.With veli any damage you do proc be it siege ,Dot, direct damage from a ability or proc set damage.Skoria on price of of Dots which in PVP mainly DK and magplar would proc.Stam sorcs as well but they wouldn't use skoria.Its no where near on par with veli.I really starting think you have no clue what your talking about.Anti_Virus wrote: »
No just because your guildmates can't handle 1 proc set doesn't mean the rest of us can.1 Proc set isn't the problem ,anyone can survive 1 proc set easy if your friends can't they need to work on their builds.TBH I haven't seen or taken anyone serious when they say make a blakent Nerf .@Joy_Division Had a great idea where a good chunk of players support add a global cool down on a proc set so of you stack a proc set two can not go off at the same time.That's people problem with the sets and even of its not a battle spirit Nerf it wouldn't affect PVE in a negative way,Since as you said its most PVE builds use one proc set.Their was only magica proc sets before they where added in update 11 before than we did not have any proc sets but magica. Stam builds was using Skoria because they mainly ran Dots.Yes they nerfed skoria before but since bout 1.6 it been buffed and many builds used it they even buffed it more with 1T.Same with most of the monster sets 1.6 and beyond they been good that's a year +magic builds been able to use them.You know the difference between magic proc sets and Stam you have to build for that damage. For skoria to work I need to run multiple dots.Viper and veil all I have to do is light attack someone. Yes that's broken.Anti_Virus wrote: »
Lmao dude I done every dungeon in this game including Vet WGT,ICP,Ruin and Cradle all hardmode done before and after the update and every trial but VetMOl on Vet dude.Those dungeon are so easy its stupid people are soloing them.Check out @Ch4mpTW threads in General discussion he solo a good majority in the first week.These sets are so easy to get ts stupid the hardest thing about getting these sets is the RNG involved.Anti_Virus wrote: »
Lmao dude only proc set I run is blood spawn.Ask @Ron_Burgundy_79 or @texassob I talk crap about them for using proc sets like viper red mountain and velidreth.Honestly no other cheesebuild has been as bad as this you know why because even with all of those cheese builds you had to use abilities, their some type of skill here their nothing all you have to do is light attack someone you can do 12 worth of damage because of the sets your wearing.Their no bigger cheese than that.Anti_Virus wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »Smasherx74 wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »Holy crap some if you pvpers are rude and straight stupid makes pvpers like me look bad. You complain about procc sets yet go out of your way to farm them.
If you hate them so bad guess what Don't farm them and Don't wear them simple I don't wear them and I do just fine in PVP if you have to wear proc sets to compete then you need to L2P.
Stop being selfish and leave proc sets alone for pvers they have a right to enjoy them too.
Because grinding RNG, then relying on RNG, makes you a skillful player right?
It's skill based to rely on 3-4 procs, and even poison procs? It's a L2P issue because you're hit with 4 set procs at one time totally over 13k damage in under a second?
Sorry but this isn't a L2P issue for anyone besides you. Go drop the proc sets and fight a NB running 4 procs with poison then tell me how much of a L2P issue it is.
You know there was a time once when you had to actually strategically play the game, that time is long gone. Now everything is pure RNG, skill has been thrown out the window for a grindfest on heavy rng gear that is extraordinarily OP when you have multiple sets of procs on.
First of all I am against proc sets in pvp however they shouldn't be nerfed just for pvp because pve players also use them I have pve friends that use them in their dps rotation its essential to some and I find it funny how pvp player want to tell pvers how to dps Lol. Second like I said if you don't like proc sets DO NOT USE THEM, if most of you guys followed that idea pvp wouldn’t be this bad but NOOO gotta copy every streamer and youtube build right?
Im confused with the bolded part. I just told you I don't need to wear proc sets and I BEAT other that do wear them do I still need to L2P?
I think some of you guys need to adjust your own builds, stop copying streamer/you tubers stop play Fotm and make your own builds. You' d be surprised how much more fluid it is to pvp
You realized no one has a problem with just one proc sets which most PVE build use they only use one if they using more than they DPs going into the crappier and they don't know what their doing.No serious PVE defends proc sets and say don't Nerf them.They see how broken they are in PVP and the only person defending them are people like you who don't know what the hell their talking aboutand people who just want easy kills or pve only players who don't care about PVP and don't want balance. Like I said no one have problem with someone using 1 proc sets its their ability to stack which is the issue and why most people asking for that to no longer be the case.
If we follow your logic every broken thing in PVP won't be fixed because some PVE makes him feel good .Give any boss multiple proc sets and every PVEr Would be Herr crying.They already cry about the difficulty off the world boss when you can solo most of them or that they now have to actually learn the mechanics of dungeons.We shouldn't balance a game for them and the Dev that thank they should should be fired and never hired on any game again.
I think Im going brain dead with the bolded part. This is what happens when you use emotions in an argument.
I'm not a pve player, and pve players don't want them nerfed because you have to earn them, why would you run a dungeon a get these sets if they are nerfed? Also if the proc sets were nerfed ( which they should be) it should be a battle spirit nerf that doen't effect pve but knowing Wrobel he will blanket nerf the sets across he board.
Players will always want easy kills and will always follow the meta I bet you wear these sets them complain about them, balance went out the window when CP was introduced this isn't really super bad, there were worst cheese builds remeber bombing blades? This games pvp has and always will be imbalanced because of CP nerfing proc sets would just be a band aid fix you guys would still complain about something else.
And should proc sets be nerf and I think they should put the nerf in battle spirit, but I have a feeling Wrobel won't do that.
Edit: bottom half of your argument sounds so entitled its not even funny most of Zos profit comes from the PVE audience, in the case that Zos doent nerf the sets then stop being selfish and either,
L2P( don't follow the meta) or Play a different game.
Like I said before you just dont know what your talking about No one is asking for a complete Nerf of the sets most are asking that 1.A set can not proc another proc set.2.A GCD on a proc set so two can't proc at the same time,2-3 seconds is all that's needed to deter someone from running multiple proc sets.The problem isn't one proc set its people stacking multiple proc sets.No set should play the game for you its common sense anyone against that I don't know what's wrong with that.Again no one who know what their talking about want a blanket Nerf of these sets just want them balanced.
How easy The dungeons are your not earning anything .Plus if you really were a PVP player you would want balance no Nerf they do to these sets would affect PVE which you know they can just adjust the mobs health and resistances so they won't notice the difference.Thats not true at all they make most of the money off Of Role players and soloers who the majority dont do the content to get these sets.So nerfing these sets won't affect them at all.
Where do I start. Although don't want to directly nerf proc sets most pvpers want to nerf each individual set, I had a pvp friend complain about Valkyn skoria and another complain about Velidreth and they wanted them nerfed in dmg and CD
2nd you said no one earns these set? LOL are you joking? Run one of these dungeons on vet mode with 1T update and see how easy it is. This is what happens when you pigeon hold yourself into one part of a game. You probably bought your blood spawn from the cyrodil vendor.
if you know RP means you would know that pve exclusive players are pretty much role players some way more than others and they partake in pve content, They are the heros they go into a dungeon kill the bad guy get the loot and glory.
Reguardless if they nerf them or not It doesn't effect me I PVP more than I pve and I don't use these sets, but you would be hurting the PVE players for your own benefit and will cause lots of Pve QQ. Besides after this you will find somthing else to QQ about
Believe it or not I don't really care I didn't buy my Bloodspawn from the PVP Vendor because one they haven't sold the shoulders yet plus I got mine before TG when they removed Impen from PVE.My helm infused heavy I got from doing Spindle after they removed Impen from the table haven't got any helm other than training when I ran it.Not farming spindle for the helm when my infused one just fine.Don't talk like you know me dude I spend my time 75-80% of my time in PVP doesn't mean I don't do PVE.
Its the reason why I know any PVE who know what their doing are not running two proc sets so adding a GCD doesn't hurt not one PVE player so your argument is mute. I know many PVE players who don't RP and do the content just to do it they find it fun and none of them use more than 1 proc set of Amy at all.The only people who will QQ are the one who don't have a clue in the first place.Or complaining just because it was a change to balance PVP.They blame PVPers for changes PVERS cost.
I think you keep missing point most pve builds run ONE proc set but pvp players want to nerf that for their own benefit. Valkyn skoria was nerfed for a while because of PVP QQ and magicka builds couldn't use them for a while until 1T, do you want to do that to all players that use one proc set in their builds just so you can PVP better? I hope its just a battle spirt nerf.
Careful what you wish for...
My guild members use proc sets for PVE not PVP but they don't ant them nerfed in PVE because of PVP unless it's a battle spirit nerf.
Btw Skoria is just as annoying as Veli, one dot can proc it( Not saying its OP but it's on par with Velidreth)
Well if you can type articulately you might be able to know what you're typing about.
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No its not on par with veli at all.With veli any damage you do proc be it siege ,Dot, direct damage from a ability or proc set damage.Skoria on price of of Dots which in PVP mainly DK and magplar would proc.Stam sorcs as well but they wouldn't use skoria.Its no where near on par with veli.I really starting think you have no clue what your talking about.Anti_Virus wrote: »
No just because your guildmates can't handle 1 proc set doesn't mean the rest of us can.1 Proc set isn't the problem ,anyone can survive 1 proc set easy if your friends can't they need to work on their builds.TBH I haven't seen or taken anyone serious when they say make a blakent Nerf .@Joy_Division Had a great idea where a good chunk of players support add a global cool down on a proc set so of you stack a proc set two can not go off at the same time.That's people problem with the sets and even of its not a battle spirit Nerf it wouldn't affect PVE in a negative way,Since as you said its most PVE builds use one proc set.Their was only magica proc sets before they where added in update 11 before than we did not have any proc sets but magica. Stam builds was using Skoria because they mainly ran Dots.Yes they nerfed skoria before but since bout 1.6 it been buffed and many builds used it they even buffed it more with 1T.Same with most of the monster sets 1.6 and beyond they been good that's a year +magic builds been able to use them.You know the difference between magic proc sets and Stam you have to build for that damage. For skoria to work I need to run multiple dots.Viper and veil all I have to do is light attack someone. Yes that's broken.Anti_Virus wrote: »
Lmao dude I done every dungeon in this game including Vet WGT,ICP,Ruin and Cradle all hardmode done before and after the update and every trial but VetMOl on Vet dude.Those dungeon are so easy its stupid people are soloing them.Check out @Ch4mpTW threads in General discussion he solo a good majority in the first week.These sets are so easy to get ts stupid the hardest thing about getting these sets is the RNG involved.Anti_Virus wrote: »
Lmao dude only proc set I run is blood spawn.Ask @Ron_Burgundy_79 or @texassob I talk crap about them for using proc sets like viper red mountain and velidreth.Honestly no other cheesebuild has been as bad as this you know why because even with all of those cheese builds you had to use abilities, their some type of skill here their nothing all you have to do is light attack someone you can do 12 worth of damage because of the sets your wearing.Their no bigger cheese than that.Anti_Virus wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »Smasherx74 wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »Holy crap some if you pvpers are rude and straight stupid makes pvpers like me look bad. You complain about procc sets yet go out of your way to farm them.
If you hate them so bad guess what Don't farm them and Don't wear them simple I don't wear them and I do just fine in PVP if you have to wear proc sets to compete then you need to L2P.
Stop being selfish and leave proc sets alone for pvers they have a right to enjoy them too.
Because grinding RNG, then relying on RNG, makes you a skillful player right?
It's skill based to rely on 3-4 procs, and even poison procs? It's a L2P issue because you're hit with 4 set procs at one time totally over 13k damage in under a second?
Sorry but this isn't a L2P issue for anyone besides you. Go drop the proc sets and fight a NB running 4 procs with poison then tell me how much of a L2P issue it is.
You know there was a time once when you had to actually strategically play the game, that time is long gone. Now everything is pure RNG, skill has been thrown out the window for a grindfest on heavy rng gear that is extraordinarily OP when you have multiple sets of procs on.
First of all I am against proc sets in pvp however they shouldn't be nerfed just for pvp because pve players also use them I have pve friends that use them in their dps rotation its essential to some and I find it funny how pvp player want to tell pvers how to dps Lol. Second like I said if you don't like proc sets DO NOT USE THEM, if most of you guys followed that idea pvp wouldn’t be this bad but NOOO gotta copy every streamer and youtube build right?
Im confused with the bolded part. I just told you I don't need to wear proc sets and I BEAT other that do wear them do I still need to L2P?
I think some of you guys need to adjust your own builds, stop copying streamer/you tubers stop play Fotm and make your own builds. You' d be surprised how much more fluid it is to pvp
You realized no one has a problem with just one proc sets which most PVE build use they only use one if they using more than they DPs going into the crappier and they don't know what their doing.No serious PVE defends proc sets and say don't Nerf them.They see how broken they are in PVP and the only person defending them are people like you who don't know what the hell their talking aboutand people who just want easy kills or pve only players who don't care about PVP and don't want balance. Like I said no one have problem with someone using 1 proc sets its their ability to stack which is the issue and why most people asking for that to no longer be the case.
If we follow your logic every broken thing in PVP won't be fixed because some PVE makes him feel good .Give any boss multiple proc sets and every PVEr Would be Herr crying.They already cry about the difficulty off the world boss when you can solo most of them or that they now have to actually learn the mechanics of dungeons.We shouldn't balance a game for them and the Dev that thank they should should be fired and never hired on any game again.
I think Im going brain dead with the bolded part. This is what happens when you use emotions in an argument.
I'm not a pve player, and pve players don't want them nerfed because you have to earn them, why would you run a dungeon a get these sets if they are nerfed? Also if the proc sets were nerfed ( which they should be) it should be a battle spirit nerf that doen't effect pve but knowing Wrobel he will blanket nerf the sets across he board.
Players will always want easy kills and will always follow the meta I bet you wear these sets them complain about them, balance went out the window when CP was introduced this isn't really super bad, there were worst cheese builds remeber bombing blades? This games pvp has and always will be imbalanced because of CP nerfing proc sets would just be a band aid fix you guys would still complain about something else.
And should proc sets be nerf and I think they should put the nerf in battle spirit, but I have a feeling Wrobel won't do that.
Edit: bottom half of your argument sounds so entitled its not even funny most of Zos profit comes from the PVE audience, in the case that Zos doent nerf the sets then stop being selfish and either,
L2P( don't follow the meta) or Play a different game.
Like I said before you just dont know what your talking about No one is asking for a complete Nerf of the sets most are asking that 1.A set can not proc another proc set.2.A GCD on a proc set so two can't proc at the same time,2-3 seconds is all that's needed to deter someone from running multiple proc sets.The problem isn't one proc set its people stacking multiple proc sets.No set should play the game for you its common sense anyone against that I don't know what's wrong with that.Again no one who know what their talking about want a blanket Nerf of these sets just want them balanced.
How easy The dungeons are your not earning anything .Plus if you really were a PVP player you would want balance no Nerf they do to these sets would affect PVE which you know they can just adjust the mobs health and resistances so they won't notice the difference.Thats not true at all they make most of the money off Of Role players and soloers who the majority dont do the content to get these sets.So nerfing these sets won't affect them at all.
Where do I start. Although don't want to directly nerf proc sets most pvpers want to nerf each individual set, I had a pvp friend complain about Valkyn skoria and another complain about Velidreth and they wanted them nerfed in dmg and CD
2nd you said no one earns these set? LOL are you joking? Run one of these dungeons on vet mode with 1T update and see how easy it is. This is what happens when you pigeon hold yourself into one part of a game. You probably bought your blood spawn from the cyrodil vendor.
if you know RP means you would know that pve exclusive players are pretty much role players some way more than others and they partake in pve content, They are the heros they go into a dungeon kill the bad guy get the loot and glory.
Reguardless if they nerf them or not It doesn't effect me I PVP more than I pve and I don't use these sets, but you would be hurting the PVE players for your own benefit and will cause lots of Pve QQ. Besides after this you will find somthing else to QQ about
Believe it or not I don't really care I didn't buy my Bloodspawn from the PVP Vendor because one they haven't sold the shoulders yet plus I got mine before TG when they removed Impen from PVE.My helm infused heavy I got from doing Spindle after they removed Impen from the table haven't got any helm other than training when I ran it.Not farming spindle for the helm when my infused one just fine.Don't talk like you know me dude I spend my time 75-80% of my time in PVP doesn't mean I don't do PVE.
Its the reason why I know any PVE who know what their doing are not running two proc sets so adding a GCD doesn't hurt not one PVE player so your argument is mute. I know many PVE players who don't RP and do the content just to do it they find it fun and none of them use more than 1 proc set of Amy at all.The only people who will QQ are the one who don't have a clue in the first place.Or complaining just because it was a change to balance PVP.They blame PVPers for changes PVERS cost.
I think you keep missing point most pve builds run ONE proc set but pvp players want to nerf that for their own benefit. Valkyn skoria was nerfed for a while because of PVP QQ and magicka builds couldn't use them for a while until 1T, do you want to do that to all players that use one proc set in their builds just so you can PVP better? I hope its just a battle spirt nerf.
Careful what you wish for...
My guild members use proc sets for PVE not PVP but they don't ant them nerfed in PVE because of PVP unless it's a battle spirit nerf.
Btw Skoria is just as annoying as Veli, one dot can proc it( Not saying its OP but it's on par with Velidreth)
Well if you can type articulately you might be able to know what you're typing about.
Please correct the meme grammar. I know it's killing you.
I just realized that seal looks like someone punched it in the face.
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✭Smasherx74 wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »Smasherx74 wrote: »not gonna lie, you really had me going there for a second.Anti_Virus wrote: »
Lmao dude I done every dungeon in this game including Vet WGT,ICP,Ruin and Cradle all hardmode done before and after the update and every trial but VetMOl on Vet dude.Those dungeon are so easy its stupid people are soloing them.Check out @Ch4mpTW threads in General discussion he solo a good majority in the first week.These sets are so easy to get ts stupid the hardest thing about getting these sets is the RNG involved.Anti_Virus wrote: »
Lmao dude only proc set I run is blood spawn.Ask @Ron_Burgundy_79 or @texassob I talk crap about them for using proc sets like viper red mountain and velidreth.Honestly no other cheesebuild has been as bad as this you know why because even with all of those cheese builds you had to use abilities, their some type of skill here their nothing all you have to do is light attack someone you can do 12 worth of damage because of the sets your wearing.Their no bigger cheese than that.Anti_Virus wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »Smasherx74 wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »Holy crap some if you pvpers are rude and straight stupid makes pvpers like me look bad. You complain about procc sets yet go out of your way to farm them.
If you hate them so bad guess what Don't farm them and Don't wear them simple I don't wear them and I do just fine in PVP if you have to wear proc sets to compete then you need to L2P.
Stop being selfish and leave proc sets alone for pvers they have a right to enjoy them too.
Because grinding RNG, then relying on RNG, makes you a skillful player right?
It's skill based to rely on 3-4 procs, and even poison procs? It's a L2P issue because you're hit with 4 set procs at one time totally over 13k damage in under a second?
Sorry but this isn't a L2P issue for anyone besides you. Go drop the proc sets and fight a NB running 4 procs with poison then tell me how much of a L2P issue it is.
You know there was a time once when you had to actually strategically play the game, that time is long gone. Now everything is pure RNG, skill has been thrown out the window for a grindfest on heavy rng gear that is extraordinarily OP when you have multiple sets of procs on.
First of all I am against proc sets in pvp however they shouldn't be nerfed just for pvp because pve players also use them I have pve friends that use them in their dps rotation its essential to some and I find it funny how pvp player want to tell pvers how to dps Lol. Second like I said if you don't like proc sets DO NOT USE THEM, if most of you guys followed that idea pvp wouldn’t be this bad but NOOO gotta copy every streamer and youtube build right?
Im confused with the bolded part. I just told you I don't need to wear proc sets and I BEAT other that do wear them do I still need to L2P?
I think some of you guys need to adjust your own builds, stop copying streamer/you tubers stop play Fotm and make your own builds. You' d be surprised how much more fluid it is to pvp
You realized no one has a problem with just one proc sets which most PVE build use they only use one if they using more than they DPs going into the crappier and they don't know what their doing.No serious PVE defends proc sets and say don't Nerf them.They see how broken they are in PVP and the only person defending them are people like you who don't know what the hell their talking aboutand people who just want easy kills or pve only players who don't care about PVP and don't want balance. Like I said no one have problem with someone using 1 proc sets its their ability to stack which is the issue and why most people asking for that to no longer be the case.
If we follow your logic every broken thing in PVP won't be fixed because some PVE makes him feel good .Give any boss multiple proc sets and every PVEr Would be Herr crying.They already cry about the difficulty off the world boss when you can solo most of them or that they now have to actually learn the mechanics of dungeons.We shouldn't balance a game for them and the Dev that thank they should should be fired and never hired on any game again.
I think Im going brain dead with the bolded part. This is what happens when you use emotions in an argument.
I'm not a pve player, and pve players don't want them nerfed because you have to earn them, why would you run a dungeon a get these sets if they are nerfed? Also if the proc sets were nerfed ( which they should be) it should be a battle spirit nerf that doen't effect pve but knowing Wrobel he will blanket nerf the sets across he board.
Players will always want easy kills and will always follow the meta I bet you wear these sets them complain about them, balance went out the window when CP was introduced this isn't really super bad, there were worst cheese builds remeber bombing blades? This games pvp has and always will be imbalanced because of CP nerfing proc sets would just be a band aid fix you guys would still complain about something else.
And should proc sets be nerf and I think they should put the nerf in battle spirit, but I have a feeling Wrobel won't do that.
Edit: bottom half of your argument sounds so entitled its not even funny most of Zos profit comes from the PVE audience, in the case that Zos doent nerf the sets then stop being selfish and either,
L2P( don't follow the meta) or Play a different game.
Like I said before you just dont know what your talking about No one is asking for a complete Nerf of the sets most are asking that 1.A set can not proc another proc set.2.A GCD on a proc set so two can't proc at the same time,2-3 seconds is all that's needed to deter someone from running multiple proc sets.The problem isn't one proc set its people stacking multiple proc sets.No set should play the game for you its common sense anyone against that I don't know what's wrong with that.Again no one who know what their talking about want a blanket Nerf of these sets just want them balanced.
How easy The dungeons are your not earning anything .Plus if you really were a PVP player you would want balance no Nerf they do to these sets would affect PVE which you know they can just adjust the mobs health and resistances so they won't notice the difference.Thats not true at all they make most of the money off Of Role players and soloers who the majority dont do the content to get these sets.So nerfing these sets won't affect them at all.
Where do I start. Although don't want to directly nerf proc sets most pvpers want to nerf each individual set, I had a pvp friend complain about Valkyn skoria and another complain about Velidreth and they wanted them nerfed in dmg and CD
2nd you said no one earns these set? LOL are you joking? Run one of these dungeons on vet mode with 1T update and see how easy it is. This is what happens when you pigeon hold yourself into one part of a game. You probably bought your blood spawn from the cyrodil vendor.
if you know RP means you would know that pve exclusive players are pretty much role players some way more than others and they partake in pve content, They are the heros they go into a dungeon kill the bad guy get the loot and glory.
Reguardless if they nerf them or not It doesn't effect me I PVP more than I pve and I don't use these sets, but you would be hurting the PVE players for your own benefit and will cause lots of Pve QQ. Besides after this you will find somthing else to QQ about
Believe it or not I don't really care I didn't buy my Bloodspawn from the PVP Vendor because one they haven't sold the shoulders yet plus I got mine before TG when they removed Impen from PVE.My helm infused heavy I got from doing Spindle after they removed Impen from the table haven't got any helm other than training when I ran it.Not farming spindle for the helm when my infused one just fine.Don't talk like you know me dude I spend my time 75-80% of my time in PVP doesn't mean I don't do PVE.
Its the reason why I know any PVE who know what their doing are not running two proc sets so adding a GCD doesn't hurt not one PVE player so your argument is mute. I know many PVE players who don't RP and do the content just to do it they find it fun and none of them use more than 1 proc set of Amy at all.The only people who will QQ are the one who don't have a clue in the first place.Or complaining just because it was a change to balance PVP.They blame PVPers for changes PVERS cost.
I think you keep missing point most pve builds run ONE proc set but pvp players want to nerf that for their own benefit. Valkyn skoria was nerfed for a while because f PVP QQ and magicka builds couldn't use them for a while until 1T, do you want to do that to all players that use one proc set in their builds just so you can PVP better? I hope its just a battle spirt nerf.
Careful what you wish for...
I want to get rid of RNG doing nearly 20k+ on its self.
Can we please bring skill back to PVP especially with duels being introduced? Sorry you grinded a "cheese build", but the rest of us want to actually play the game with skill not rng.
Lol what cheese build? Do you have trouble reading or what? I don't wear proc sets I even shared my build with you and you laughed. Lol I'm dealing with proctards while you are here QQing.
ZOS please nerf proc sets in battle spirit so It doen't hurt PVErs, There now you can QQ about something else.
how about they just remove the proc sets all together? Or only allow 1 to proc within any interval of the other.
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No its not on par with veli at all.With veli any damage you do proc be it siege ,Dot, direct damage from a ability or proc set damage.Skoria on price of of Dots which in PVP mainly DK and magplar would proc.Stam sorcs as well but they wouldn't use skoria.Its no where near on par with veli.I really starting think you have no clue what your talking about.Anti_Virus wrote: »
No just because your guildmates can't handle 1 proc set doesn't mean the rest of us can.1 Proc set isn't the problem ,anyone can survive 1 proc set easy if your friends can't they need to work on their builds.TBH I haven't seen or taken anyone serious when they say make a blakent Nerf .@Joy_Division Had a great idea where a good chunk of players support add a global cool down on a proc set so of you stack a proc set two can not go off at the same time.That's people problem with the sets and even of its not a battle spirit Nerf it wouldn't affect PVE in a negative way,Since as you said its most PVE builds use one proc set.Their was only magica proc sets before they where added in update 11 before than we did not have any proc sets but magica. Stam builds was using Skoria because they mainly ran Dots.Yes they nerfed skoria before but since bout 1.6 it been buffed and many builds used it they even buffed it more with 1T.Same with most of the monster sets 1.6 and beyond they been good that's a year +magic builds been able to use them.You know the difference between magic proc sets and Stam you have to build for that damage. For skoria to work I need to run multiple dots.Viper and veil all I have to do is light attack someone. Yes that's broken.Anti_Virus wrote: »
Lmao dude I done every dungeon in this game including Vet WGT,ICP,Ruin and Cradle all hardmode done before and after the update and every trial but VetMOl on Vet dude.Those dungeon are so easy its stupid people are soloing them.Check out @Ch4mpTW threads in General discussion he solo a good majority in the first week.These sets are so easy to get ts stupid the hardest thing about getting these sets is the RNG involved.Anti_Virus wrote: »
Lmao dude only proc set I run is blood spawn.Ask @Ron_Burgundy_79 or @texassob I talk crap about them for using proc sets like viper red mountain and velidreth.Honestly no other cheesebuild has been as bad as this you know why because even with all of those cheese builds you had to use abilities, their some type of skill here their nothing all you have to do is light attack someone you can do 12 worth of damage because of the sets your wearing.Their no bigger cheese than that.Anti_Virus wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »Smasherx74 wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »Holy crap some if you pvpers are rude and straight stupid makes pvpers like me look bad. You complain about procc sets yet go out of your way to farm them.
If you hate them so bad guess what Don't farm them and Don't wear them simple I don't wear them and I do just fine in PVP if you have to wear proc sets to compete then you need to L2P.
Stop being selfish and leave proc sets alone for pvers they have a right to enjoy them too.
Because grinding RNG, then relying on RNG, makes you a skillful player right?
It's skill based to rely on 3-4 procs, and even poison procs? It's a L2P issue because you're hit with 4 set procs at one time totally over 13k damage in under a second?
Sorry but this isn't a L2P issue for anyone besides you. Go drop the proc sets and fight a NB running 4 procs with poison then tell me how much of a L2P issue it is.
You know there was a time once when you had to actually strategically play the game, that time is long gone. Now everything is pure RNG, skill has been thrown out the window for a grindfest on heavy rng gear that is extraordinarily OP when you have multiple sets of procs on.
First of all I am against proc sets in pvp however they shouldn't be nerfed just for pvp because pve players also use them I have pve friends that use them in their dps rotation its essential to some and I find it funny how pvp player want to tell pvers how to dps Lol. Second like I said if you don't like proc sets DO NOT USE THEM, if most of you guys followed that idea pvp wouldn’t be this bad but NOOO gotta copy every streamer and youtube build right?
Im confused with the bolded part. I just told you I don't need to wear proc sets and I BEAT other that do wear them do I still need to L2P?
I think some of you guys need to adjust your own builds, stop copying streamer/you tubers stop play Fotm and make your own builds. You' d be surprised how much more fluid it is to pvp
You realized no one has a problem with just one proc sets which most PVE build use they only use one if they using more than they DPs going into the crappier and they don't know what their doing.No serious PVE defends proc sets and say don't Nerf them.They see how broken they are in PVP and the only person defending them are people like you who don't know what the hell their talking aboutand people who just want easy kills or pve only players who don't care about PVP and don't want balance. Like I said no one have problem with someone using 1 proc sets its their ability to stack which is the issue and why most people asking for that to no longer be the case.
If we follow your logic every broken thing in PVP won't be fixed because some PVE makes him feel good .Give any boss multiple proc sets and every PVEr Would be Herr crying.They already cry about the difficulty off the world boss when you can solo most of them or that they now have to actually learn the mechanics of dungeons.We shouldn't balance a game for them and the Dev that thank they should should be fired and never hired on any game again.
I think Im going brain dead with the bolded part. This is what happens when you use emotions in an argument.
I'm not a pve player, and pve players don't want them nerfed because you have to earn them, why would you run a dungeon a get these sets if they are nerfed? Also if the proc sets were nerfed ( which they should be) it should be a battle spirit nerf that doen't effect pve but knowing Wrobel he will blanket nerf the sets across he board.
Players will always want easy kills and will always follow the meta I bet you wear these sets them complain about them, balance went out the window when CP was introduced this isn't really super bad, there were worst cheese builds remeber bombing blades? This games pvp has and always will be imbalanced because of CP nerfing proc sets would just be a band aid fix you guys would still complain about something else.
And should proc sets be nerf and I think they should put the nerf in battle spirit, but I have a feeling Wrobel won't do that.
Edit: bottom half of your argument sounds so entitled its not even funny most of Zos profit comes from the PVE audience, in the case that Zos doent nerf the sets then stop being selfish and either,
L2P( don't follow the meta) or Play a different game.
Like I said before you just dont know what your talking about No one is asking for a complete Nerf of the sets most are asking that 1.A set can not proc another proc set.2.A GCD on a proc set so two can't proc at the same time,2-3 seconds is all that's needed to deter someone from running multiple proc sets.The problem isn't one proc set its people stacking multiple proc sets.No set should play the game for you its common sense anyone against that I don't know what's wrong with that.Again no one who know what their talking about want a blanket Nerf of these sets just want them balanced.
How easy The dungeons are your not earning anything .Plus if you really were a PVP player you would want balance no Nerf they do to these sets would affect PVE which you know they can just adjust the mobs health and resistances so they won't notice the difference.Thats not true at all they make most of the money off Of Role players and soloers who the majority dont do the content to get these sets.So nerfing these sets won't affect them at all.
Where do I start. Although don't want to directly nerf proc sets most pvpers want to nerf each individual set, I had a pvp friend complain about Valkyn skoria and another complain about Velidreth and they wanted them nerfed in dmg and CD
2nd you said no one earns these set? LOL are you joking? Run one of these dungeons on vet mode with 1T update and see how easy it is. This is what happens when you pigeon hold yourself into one part of a game. You probably bought your blood spawn from the cyrodil vendor.
if you know RP means you would know that pve exclusive players are pretty much role players some way more than others and they partake in pve content, They are the heros they go into a dungeon kill the bad guy get the loot and glory.
Reguardless if they nerf them or not It doesn't effect me I PVP more than I pve and I don't use these sets, but you would be hurting the PVE players for your own benefit and will cause lots of Pve QQ. Besides after this you will find somthing else to QQ about
Believe it or not I don't really care I didn't buy my Bloodspawn from the PVP Vendor because one they haven't sold the shoulders yet plus I got mine before TG when they removed Impen from PVE.My helm infused heavy I got from doing Spindle after they removed Impen from the table haven't got any helm other than training when I ran it.Not farming spindle for the helm when my infused one just fine.Don't talk like you know me dude I spend my time 75-80% of my time in PVP doesn't mean I don't do PVE.
Its the reason why I know any PVE who know what their doing are not running two proc sets so adding a GCD doesn't hurt not one PVE player so your argument is mute. I know many PVE players who don't RP and do the content just to do it they find it fun and none of them use more than 1 proc set of Amy at all.The only people who will QQ are the one who don't have a clue in the first place.Or complaining just because it was a change to balance PVP.They blame PVPers for changes PVERS cost.
I think you keep missing point most pve builds run ONE proc set but pvp players want to nerf that for their own benefit. Valkyn skoria was nerfed for a while because of PVP QQ and magicka builds couldn't use them for a while until 1T, do you want to do that to all players that use one proc set in their builds just so you can PVP better? I hope its just a battle spirt nerf.
Careful what you wish for...
My guild members use proc sets for PVE not PVP but they don't ant them nerfed in PVE because of PVP unless it's a battle spirit nerf.
Btw Skoria is just as annoying as Veli, one dot can proc it( Not saying its OP but it's on par with Velidreth)
Well if you can type articulately you might be able to know what you're typing about.
Please correct the meme grammar. I know it's killing you.
OOOOOMAAAHGURD YOU SPELLED THEY'RE WRONG!Power Wealth And Influence.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Wreuntzylla wrote: »TreeHugger1 wrote: »IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »I saw a video of this guy (guy 1) demonstrating a few duels against this other guy (guy 2) don't remember his name, someone who claimed to be the best stam sorc in ESO or something. So yeah... basically you need the right pots, the right poisons, the right gear and you are a PvP god in you have at least some skill. Yeah pots and poisons both matter A LOT, just as much as the gear. So obviously the person who was claiming to be the the best stam sorc ever got his *** handed to him a number of times. Why? So apparently before guy 1 embraced the meta, he as running a normal medium armor build without all the OP stuff. Then he got rekt by the guy 2 a thousand times. Then he embraced the meta. Then he kicked ***. Simple as that. So yeah gear can turn a not-so-good player into the "best stam sorc ever". Gear should not determine the outcome of a duel. Not that guy 1 or guy 2 were striking me as amazingly good players, in fact it was more the other way round, they both seemed to be kinda bad.
FENGRUSH is the best stam sorc ever so you were watching Him or a liar.
A typical reply from an american who suffers from narcissism,though it's fine,I guess you "embraced" your "culture".
I'm just jealous
Fengrush is a lot of things, but narcissist is not one of them.
The dude puts up videos of himself, talking to no one, with his face plastered all over it on the internet...
So um, maybe not the definition of narcissism, definitely egotistical.
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✭✭✭✭✭You know what @FENGRUSH ? You're right, I'm wrong. I sit here humbly corrected. Back to topic, no need to distract from the thread with our personal grievances.Edited by Waffennacht on 27 October 2016 18:121 -
Sa0n✭✭✭Coming up in update 13: "Cyrodiil? Meh.":
In this free patch, we have implemented fixes to the realm of PvP.
Cyrodiil has been taken over by Mobleg Bluh or whatever, and the three battling alliances have taken the fight to the forums.
Skills, gear, everything has been removed and in their place we are introducing a word-operated fighting mechanism.
Use hurtful words to possibly deal damage and get almost instant to 7 days delayed feedback in the "Most 2016" fights the gaming community has ever seen.
Edited by Sa0n on 29 October 2016 11:48Literally eat my assflaps.
Uninstalled.
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You made me remember a certain floating skull that would get improved offensive verbal skills by listening to an angry harlot.Coming up in update 13: "Cyrodiil? Meh.":
In this free patch, we have implemented fixes to the realm of PvP.
Cyrodiil has been taken over by Mobleg Bluh or whatever, and the three battling alliances have taken the fight to the forums.
Skills, gear, everything has been removed and in their place we are introducing a word-operated fighting mechanism.
Use hurtful words to possibly deal damage and get almost instant to 7 days delayed feedback in the "Most 2016" fights the gaming community has ever seen.0 -
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✭✭✭✭ZOS_PeterT wrote: »Several posts on this thread have been removed/edited.
This was done to remove the use of "Proctards".
This is a variation of a word that yis offensive and has no place on the forums.
Please continue to promote yyy and constructive discussion on future posts.
Our forum rules are also available for more information.
The proper term is 'proc-tato'. Which shouldn't be offensive unless you have a maniacal hatred of spuds and French fries.0 -
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Cozzy1991✭✭✭Proc sets aren't ruining PVP. No matter the game, the players will always complain about balance instead of adapting to the most effective tactic available. Infernal guardian with cripple spam = cancer Mines camp with pets AND infernal=cancer stamina proc sets=cancer everything is cancer this cancer that meta this meta that. If you just stopped complaining and played maybe you would work out the weakness to these builds? Sure there are some terrible bugs (like infernal revealing stealth....even out of combat?zospls).
No matter what stage of the game we're in people will always cry because they have to go and put in some effort for the right gear/skills. I 100% guarantee the people crying over proc sets are people either too lazy to go farm or people who can't adapt to change. #justplay1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Proc sets aren't ruining PVP. No matter the game, the players will always complain about balance instead of adapting to the most effective tactic available. Infernal guardian with cripple spam = cancer Mines camp with pets AND infernal=cancer stamina proc sets=cancer everything is cancer this cancer that meta this meta that. If you just stopped complaining and played maybe you would work out the weakness to these builds? Sure there are some terrible bugs (like infernal revealing stealth....even out of combat?zospls).
No matter what stage of the game we're in people will always cry because they have to go and put in some effort for the right gear/skills. I 100% guarantee the people crying over proc sets are people either too lazy to go farm or people who can't adapt to change. #justplay
Don't worry, I doubt ZOS have any plans to remove, or even nerf your precious proc sets. They aren't going anywhere. Just let us vent about the stupid RNG making its way into PVP ok? You know, because having a 3 procs go off at once and executing you from 50% health is a good thing and not broken at all. I'm really glad they exist.3 -
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✭Proc sets aren't ruining PVP. No matter the game, the players will always complain about balance instead of adapting to the most effective tactic available. Infernal guardian with cripple spam = cancer Mines camp with pets AND infernal=cancer stamina proc sets=cancer everything is cancer this cancer that meta this meta that. If you just stopped complaining and played maybe you would work out the weakness to these builds? Sure there are some terrible bugs (like infernal revealing stealth....even out of combat?zospls).
No matter what stage of the game we're in people will always cry because they have to go and put in some effort for the right gear/skills. I 100% guarantee the people crying over proc sets are people either too lazy to go farm or people who can't adapt to change. #justplay
Don't worry, I doubt ZOS have any plans to remove, or even nerf your precious proc sets. They aren't going anywhere. Just let us vent about the stupid RNG making its way into PVP ok? You know, because having a 3 procs go off at once and executing you from 50% health is a good thing and not broken at all. I'm really glad they exist.
If you can't resist the 16k+ instant proc onslaught, I think it's more of a l2p issue. And @Cozzy1991 weren't you the guy saying ice staff + pets + mines combo in a 1vX situation ? I'm actually surprised you ain't crying yourself about procs; after all they do make your open world mine camping quite useless.
As for why people cry? Well procs ruin this game for what little is left of the ESO population that didn't go full fotm proct*rd. Before, you were getting one-shotted by squishy nightblades who would die just as easily if caught as you did. Now, you're getting 19k+ bursts from stam dks, stamplars, stamsorcs, and stamblades, who remain tanky due to heavy armor + shuffle. As for magicka builds, they became one-button spamming wonders with the destro ulti, so they ain't faring much better. (Still beats procs imo though).
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Cozzy1991✭✭✭kasa-obake wrote: »Proc sets aren't ruining PVP. No matter the game, the players will always complain about balance instead of adapting to the most effective tactic available. Infernal guardian with cripple spam = cancer Mines camp with pets AND infernal=cancer stamina proc sets=cancer everything is cancer this cancer that meta this meta that. If you just stopped complaining and played maybe you would work out the weakness to these builds? Sure there are some terrible bugs (like infernal revealing stealth....even out of combat?zospls).
No matter what stage of the game we're in people will always cry because they have to go and put in some effort for the right gear/skills. I 100% guarantee the people crying over proc sets are people either too lazy to go farm or people who can't adapt to change. #justplay
Don't worry, I doubt ZOS have any plans to remove, or even nerf your precious proc sets. They aren't going anywhere. Just let us vent about the stupid RNG making its way into PVP ok? You know, because having a 3 procs go off at once and executing you from 50% health is a good thing and not broken at all. I'm really glad they exist.
If you can't resist the 16k+ instant proc onslaught, I think it's more of a l2p issue. And @Cozzy1991 weren't you the guy saying ice staff + pets + mines combo in a 1vX situation ? I'm actually surprised you ain't crying yourself about procs; after all they do make your open world mine camping quite useless.
As for why people cry? Well procs ruin this game for what little is left of the ESO population that didn't go full fotm proct*rd. Before, you were getting one-shotted by squishy nightblades who would die just as easily if caught as you did. Now, you're getting 19k+ bursts from stam dks, stamplars, stamsorcs, and stamblades, who remain tanky due to heavy armor + shuffle. As for magicka builds, they became one-button spamming wonders with the destro ulti, so they ain't faring much better. (Still beats procs imo though).
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Cozzy1991✭✭✭Proc sets aren't ruining PVP. No matter the game, the players will always complain about balance instead of adapting to the most effective tactic available. Infernal guardian with cripple spam = cancer Mines camp with pets AND infernal=cancer stamina proc sets=cancer everything is cancer this cancer that meta this meta that. If you just stopped complaining and played maybe you would work out the weakness to these builds? Sure there are some terrible bugs (like infernal revealing stealth....even out of combat?zospls).
No matter what stage of the game we're in people will always cry because they have to go and put in some effort for the right gear/skills. I 100% guarantee the people crying over proc sets are people either too lazy to go farm or people who can't adapt to change. #justplay
Don't worry, I doubt ZOS have any plans to remove, or even nerf your precious proc sets. They aren't going anywhere. Just let us vent about the stupid RNG making its way into PVP ok? You know, because having a 3 procs go off at once and executing you from 50% health is a good thing and not broken at all. I'm really glad they exist.
oooooooooooooooh someone's ssssssssssssalty. Show me on the doll where they touched you? I think you're missing the point buddy.
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I prefer to play with out little gimmicks from lady luck, to boots my win chance.
I probably die more because I don't use them, but I don't want to become dependent on RNG to win a fight for me.
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✭kasa-obake wrote: »Proc sets aren't ruining PVP. No matter the game, the players will always complain about balance instead of adapting to the most effective tactic available. Infernal guardian with cripple spam = cancer Mines camp with pets AND infernal=cancer stamina proc sets=cancer everything is cancer this cancer that meta this meta that. If you just stopped complaining and played maybe you would work out the weakness to these builds? Sure there are some terrible bugs (like infernal revealing stealth....even out of combat?zospls).
No matter what stage of the game we're in people will always cry because they have to go and put in some effort for the right gear/skills. I 100% guarantee the people crying over proc sets are people either too lazy to go farm or people who can't adapt to change. #justplay
Don't worry, I doubt ZOS have any plans to remove, or even nerf your precious proc sets. They aren't going anywhere. Just let us vent about the stupid RNG making its way into PVP ok? You know, because having a 3 procs go off at once and executing you from 50% health is a good thing and not broken at all. I'm really glad they exist.
If you can't resist the 16k+ instant proc onslaught, I think it's more of a l2p issue. And @Cozzy1991 weren't you the guy saying ice staff + pets + mines combo in a 1vX situation ? I'm actually surprised you ain't crying yourself about procs; after all they do make your open world mine camping quite useless.
As for why people cry? Well procs ruin this game for what little is left of the ESO population that didn't go full fotm proct*rd. Before, you were getting one-shotted by squishy nightblades who would die just as easily if caught as you did. Now, you're getting 19k+ bursts from stam dks, stamplars, stamsorcs, and stamblades, who remain tanky due to heavy armor + shuffle. As for magicka builds, they became one-button spamming wonders with the destro ulti, so they ain't faring much better. (Still beats procs imo though).
Lol that's what I was trying to tell @Jaronking and @Sandman929 since they keep crying over proc sets. L2P guys.Power Wealth And Influence.0 -
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Lmao my problem with proc set is the ridiculous damage they deal while combine with heavy armor their no risk involved,with the damage it allows you to do.Yes being a tank and running max resistance and still have good damage to rekt scrubs like you running proc sets I have no problem countering them,doesn't mean proc sets aren't broken and only scrubs like you would defend them.Anti_Virus wrote: »kasa-obake wrote: »Proc sets aren't ruining PVP. No matter the game, the players will always complain about balance instead of adapting to the most effective tactic available. Infernal guardian with cripple spam = cancer Mines camp with pets AND infernal=cancer stamina proc sets=cancer everything is cancer this cancer that meta this meta that. If you just stopped complaining and played maybe you would work out the weakness to these builds? Sure there are some terrible bugs (like infernal revealing stealth....even out of combat?zospls).
No matter what stage of the game we're in people will always cry because they have to go and put in some effort for the right gear/skills. I 100% guarantee the people crying over proc sets are people either too lazy to go farm or people who can't adapt to change. #justplay
Don't worry, I doubt ZOS have any plans to remove, or even nerf your precious proc sets. They aren't going anywhere. Just let us vent about the stupid RNG making its way into PVP ok? You know, because having a 3 procs go off at once and executing you from 50% health is a good thing and not broken at all. I'm really glad they exist.
If you can't resist the 16k+ instant proc onslaught, I think it's more of a l2p issue. And @Cozzy1991 weren't you the guy saying ice staff + pets + mines combo in a 1vX situation ? I'm actually surprised you ain't crying yourself about procs; after all they do make your open world mine camping quite useless.
As for why people cry? Well procs ruin this game for what little is left of the ESO population that didn't go full fotm proct*rd. Before, you were getting one-shotted by squishy nightblades who would die just as easily if caught as you did. Now, you're getting 19k+ bursts from stam dks, stamplars, stamsorcs, and stamblades, who remain tanky due to heavy armor + shuffle. As for magicka builds, they became one-button spamming wonders with the destro ulti, so they ain't faring much better. (Still beats procs imo though).
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✭✭✭✭✭Anti_Virus wrote: »kasa-obake wrote: »Proc sets aren't ruining PVP. No matter the game, the players will always complain about balance instead of adapting to the most effective tactic available. Infernal guardian with cripple spam = cancer Mines camp with pets AND infernal=cancer stamina proc sets=cancer everything is cancer this cancer that meta this meta that. If you just stopped complaining and played maybe you would work out the weakness to these builds? Sure there are some terrible bugs (like infernal revealing stealth....even out of combat?zospls).
No matter what stage of the game we're in people will always cry because they have to go and put in some effort for the right gear/skills. I 100% guarantee the people crying over proc sets are people either too lazy to go farm or people who can't adapt to change. #justplay
Don't worry, I doubt ZOS have any plans to remove, or even nerf your precious proc sets. They aren't going anywhere. Just let us vent about the stupid RNG making its way into PVP ok? You know, because having a 3 procs go off at once and executing you from 50% health is a good thing and not broken at all. I'm really glad they exist.
If you can't resist the 16k+ instant proc onslaught, I think it's more of a l2p issue. And @Cozzy1991 weren't you the guy saying ice staff + pets + mines combo in a 1vX situation ? I'm actually surprised you ain't crying yourself about procs; after all they do make your open world mine camping quite useless.
As for why people cry? Well procs ruin this game for what little is left of the ESO population that didn't go full fotm proct*rd. Before, you were getting one-shotted by squishy nightblades who would die just as easily if caught as you did. Now, you're getting 19k+ bursts from stam dks, stamplars, stamsorcs, and stamblades, who remain tanky due to heavy armor + shuffle. As for magicka builds, they became one-button spamming wonders with the destro ulti, so they ain't faring much better. (Still beats procs imo though).
Lol that's what I was trying to tell @Jaronking and @Sandman929 since they keep crying over proc sets. L2P guys.
L2Proc...it's sad players defend killing things with RnG and think it's their "skill".6 -
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✭Sandman929 wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »kasa-obake wrote: »Proc sets aren't ruining PVP. No matter the game, the players will always complain about balance instead of adapting to the most effective tactic available. Infernal guardian with cripple spam = cancer Mines camp with pets AND infernal=cancer stamina proc sets=cancer everything is cancer this cancer that meta this meta that. If you just stopped complaining and played maybe you would work out the weakness to these builds? Sure there are some terrible bugs (like infernal revealing stealth....even out of combat?zospls).
No matter what stage of the game we're in people will always cry because they have to go and put in some effort for the right gear/skills. I 100% guarantee the people crying over proc sets are people either too lazy to go farm or people who can't adapt to change. #justplay
Don't worry, I doubt ZOS have any plans to remove, or even nerf your precious proc sets. They aren't going anywhere. Just let us vent about the stupid RNG making its way into PVP ok? You know, because having a 3 procs go off at once and executing you from 50% health is a good thing and not broken at all. I'm really glad they exist.
If you can't resist the 16k+ instant proc onslaught, I think it's more of a l2p issue. And @Cozzy1991 weren't you the guy saying ice staff + pets + mines combo in a 1vX situation ? I'm actually surprised you ain't crying yourself about procs; after all they do make your open world mine camping quite useless.
As for why people cry? Well procs ruin this game for what little is left of the ESO population that didn't go full fotm proct*rd. Before, you were getting one-shotted by squishy nightblades who would die just as easily if caught as you did. Now, you're getting 19k+ bursts from stam dks, stamplars, stamsorcs, and stamblades, who remain tanky due to heavy armor + shuffle. As for magicka builds, they became one-button spamming wonders with the destro ulti, so they ain't faring much better. (Still beats procs imo though).
Lol that's what I was trying to tell @Jaronking and @Sandman929 since they keep crying over proc sets. L2P guys.
L2Proc...it's sad players defend killing things with RnG and think it's their "skill".
So that's what the people saying L2P meant.Master Debater1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Smasherx74 wrote: »Sandman929 wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »kasa-obake wrote: »Proc sets aren't ruining PVP. No matter the game, the players will always complain about balance instead of adapting to the most effective tactic available. Infernal guardian with cripple spam = cancer Mines camp with pets AND infernal=cancer stamina proc sets=cancer everything is cancer this cancer that meta this meta that. If you just stopped complaining and played maybe you would work out the weakness to these builds? Sure there are some terrible bugs (like infernal revealing stealth....even out of combat?zospls).
No matter what stage of the game we're in people will always cry because they have to go and put in some effort for the right gear/skills. I 100% guarantee the people crying over proc sets are people either too lazy to go farm or people who can't adapt to change. #justplay
Don't worry, I doubt ZOS have any plans to remove, or even nerf your precious proc sets. They aren't going anywhere. Just let us vent about the stupid RNG making its way into PVP ok? You know, because having a 3 procs go off at once and executing you from 50% health is a good thing and not broken at all. I'm really glad they exist.
If you can't resist the 16k+ instant proc onslaught, I think it's more of a l2p issue. And @Cozzy1991 weren't you the guy saying ice staff + pets + mines combo in a 1vX situation ? I'm actually surprised you ain't crying yourself about procs; after all they do make your open world mine camping quite useless.
As for why people cry? Well procs ruin this game for what little is left of the ESO population that didn't go full fotm proct*rd. Before, you were getting one-shotted by squishy nightblades who would die just as easily if caught as you did. Now, you're getting 19k+ bursts from stam dks, stamplars, stamsorcs, and stamblades, who remain tanky due to heavy armor + shuffle. As for magicka builds, they became one-button spamming wonders with the destro ulti, so they ain't faring much better. (Still beats procs imo though).
Lol that's what I was trying to tell @Jaronking and @Sandman929 since they keep crying over proc sets. L2P guys.
L2Proc...it's sad players defend killing things with RnG and think it's their "skill".
So that's what the people saying L2P meant.
Yes. Because if anyone doesn't accept that death-by-armor is the same as being outplayed, they're just "salty". Clearly, proc damage is an indication of a high level player who can use the complex rotation of pushing the Ransack button to achieve incredible damage. Not just any scrub could throw on a proc set and be competitive. They'd have to know which button they assigned Ransack to, and that takes amazing skill.8 -
Kutsuu✭✭✭✭✭I just came back to the game for One Tamriel after a ~10 month absence and have recently finished updating my build. I looked at these "meta" builds and such, but still ended up running something else with no procs because I wanted more reliable burst. While the proc builds are dangerous to me, so are the clever alchemist builds and all sorts of magicka builds - in fact I have a better win rate against stamina proc builds than I do against tanky magicka builds who outlast my resources - call me bad I guess. I do have trouble with builds that have truly embraced the main issue with proc sets - that being the fact that they do a set amount of damage (I realize it's affected by penetration and CPs).
I only suggest one simple change. Make them scale with your stats just like ability attacks do - the current damage values being attainable only when you're running 1 proc set and other high DPS sets to boost it. These people choosing to run multiple proc sets have pretty bad weapon damage and lower stamina pools than those running non-proc DPS sets, so having the procs scale with those stats will greatly diminish the effectiveness of stacking a bunch of proc sets. With them having a static damage value as it is now, it encourages players to stack defensive abilities/heavy armor/etc to attain as much survival as possible since their procs will always hit just as hard (aside from more penetration and crit I suppose).PC/NA
Envy Me - Sorc
Kutsus - NB
Kutsmuffin - Temp
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