Proc sets are ruining PVP

LadyDestiny · October 2016

Lava_Croft wrote: »

radiostar wrote: »

Pls don't nerf PvE over this. Not again!

You never needed these ridiculously high damage proc sets in PvE, since almost all of PvE is braindead easy.

It became braindead easy because everyone cried "nerf", Everything is killing me! Because pvpers cried "nerf", everyone is killing me!

Lava_Croft · October 2016

LadyDestiny wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

radiostar wrote: »

Pls don't nerf PvE over this. Not again!

You never needed these ridiculously high damage proc sets in PvE, since almost all of PvE is braindead easy.

It became braindead easy because everyone cried "nerf", Everything is killing me! Because pvpers cried "nerf", everyone is killing me!

PvE did not become braindead easy because of any crying PvP players. It became easy because the casuals that make up the majority of ESO's player base these days just want to walk through all the content without effort.

kongkim · October 2016

Lava_Croft wrote: »

LadyDestiny wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

radiostar wrote: »

Pls don't nerf PvE over this. Not again!

You never needed these ridiculously high damage proc sets in PvE, since almost all of PvE is braindead easy.

It became braindead easy because everyone cried "nerf", Everything is killing me! Because pvpers cried "nerf", everyone is killing me!

PvE did not become braindead easy because of any crying PvP players. It became easy because the casuals that make up the majority of ESO's player base these days just want to walk through all the content without effort.

Maybe the casuals don't find the content as easy as you do.

elvenmad · October 2016

I agree with OP, some set ups with 2 x 5 piece bonus are stupid, This was gone into alot amongst the PTS players many had the sets already theory crafted pore launch and knew how they would work

This is an easy fix for ZoS though all they have to do is make it so you can only have one 5 set bonus active, the first one you equip, that would put more balance back in the game, doing that would make far more sense than how it is at the moment.

Lava_Croft · October 2016

kongkim wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

LadyDestiny wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

radiostar wrote: »

Pls don't nerf PvE over this. Not again!

You never needed these ridiculously high damage proc sets in PvE, since almost all of PvE is braindead easy.

It became braindead easy because everyone cried "nerf", Everything is killing me! Because pvpers cried "nerf", everyone is killing me!

PvE did not become braindead easy because of any crying PvP players. It became easy because the casuals that make up the majority of ESO's player base these days just want to walk through all the content without effort.

Maybe the casuals don't find the content as easy as you do.

That's pretty clear considering the consistent nerfing of PvE and now the addition of proc gear that does ridiculous damage.

kevlarto_ESO · October 2016

Vaoh wrote: »

This patch will be known as the Call of Duty patch of ESO. You can one shot people with multi-proc builds if you utilize the right setup. No need to even use your Ult to oneshot unless they're Heavy Armor with 26K+ health.

At this point I'd be fine if a temporary 25-50% damage reduction to PvP set damage procs were put in place through Battle Spirit.

Alas....

Welcome to One Tamriel PvP, the pinnacle of imbalance.

@Wrobel PLEASE FIX THIS Q1 2017!!!!!! IT'S EXTREMELY BAD.

Agree, seems like this dev team has no clue about MMO combat, I have played mmo's longer than most of the staff has played them or worked on them, this is not MMO combat, it is feeling more and more like COD, might as well make ESO a mmo/fps(first person shooter) seems like that is what they are leaning to, not fun atm.

PVP has been broken for along time all these sets is exacerbate the problems we have had a long time, the dev team did not want to homogenize the game guess what that is exactly what they did.. /sigh Can't wait to find a new game to play.

mtwiggz · October 2016

Smasherx74 wrote: »

You used to be able to actually kill people, now we have tanks taunt healing them selfs and DPS procing 4-5 different sets/poisons doing essentially one hit kills on anyone who isn't superman.

Can we get a comprehensive adjustment on all the new sets??

Nope. ZoS has furthered their Bug Fix in the performance issues in Cyrodiil. By making it so ridiculous to play there, less players will go, thus less performance issues.

Duukar · October 2016

You see I was saving this piece of info for myself since I seem to be the smartest one on here.

If you are having issues where your death recap has a 12k Validreth proc or you are upset because someone used viper set and tremorscale on you and you got popped quickly I have a couple pieces of advice for you.

If you are sub 400 CP.. Don't PvP.. If you do then I suggest making a build with some good tankiness and sustain.
If you do have some Cp to play around with get at least 20% physical resists just from CP and try to have at least 2500 crit resists.

You have 3 pieces of jewelry that have PERFECT slots in them for special resist glyphs. You know like poison resists glyphs, Physical resist glyphs disease resist glyphs. Use them. Not everyone gets to run max dmg min sustain set ups in PvP.

This sounds condescending but it comes from a place of understanding. You MUST learn to BUILD for pvp. here are my resists and stats on my stam sorc.

26k health
39% physical resists from armor. 20% physical resists from CP
35% magic resists from armor. 10% from CP.
33% critical resist.

I only have 2500 weapon dmg or so. I run Viper Blackrose and Tremorscale. Yes META AF.

I still have to judiciously block and dodge roll. I still get wiped out by multiple guys.

To solo in this game is VERY difficult as a non NB. Dont do it. Run with a group. If you are a small group ad you run into a guy who seems to WANT to fight. DONT..

Choose your fights. Leave my proc sets alone.

ITS THE ONLY WAY TO KILL A HEAL SPEC OR TANK.. Even then it takes SOOO much effort to drop one of these builds..

Dont L2P.. L2build!

Alucardo · October 2016

After getting gangbanged by 2 nightblades wearing the same setup (Selene's, widowmaker, viper), I've been doing PVE almost non-stop. Maybe done about an hours PVP since One Tamriel hit, which is really not much for me. It's just so toxic in there at the moment, and if you don't wear those sets you hate and use poisons like everyone else, you can barely compete.
I like One Tamriel, but I really wish we could go back to a time when these proc sets and poisons didn't exist.

Strider_Roshin · October 2016

LadyDestiny wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

radiostar wrote: »

Pls don't nerf PvE over this. Not again!

You never needed these ridiculously high damage proc sets in PvE, since almost all of PvE is braindead easy.

It became braindead easy because everyone cried "nerf", Everything is killing me! Because pvpers cried "nerf", everyone is killing me!

Considering the fact that I see more Flawless Conquerors, Stormproofs, and Ophidian Overlords in Cyrodiil than I do at the undaunted enclaves; I think it's safe to say that it wasn't PvPers crying for PvE nerfs.

Buffler · October 2016

Sadly, there is no skill in pvp. Its a case of whoevers sets proc first

Alucardo · October 2016

Buffler wrote: »

Sadly, there is no skill in pvp. Its a case of whoevers sets proc first

After a duel we stopped saying "gf". We say "gp", which is an acronym for "Good proc"

danno8 · October 2016

Duukar wrote: »

You see I was saving this piece of info for myself since I seem to be the smartest one on here.

If you are having issues where your death recap has a 12k Validreth proc or you are upset because someone used viper set and tremorscale on you and you got popped quickly I have a couple pieces of advice for you.

If you are sub 400 CP.. Don't PvP.. If you do then I suggest making a build with some good tankiness and sustain.
If you do have some Cp to play around with get at least 20% physical resists just from CP and try to have at least 2500 crit resists.

You have 3 pieces of jewelry that have PERFECT slots in them for special resist glyphs. You know like poison resists glyphs, Physical resist glyphs disease resist glyphs. Use them. Not everyone gets to run max dmg min sustain set ups in PvP.

This sounds condescending but it comes from a place of understanding. You MUST learn to BUILD for pvp. here are my resists and stats on my stam sorc.

26k health
39% physical resists from armor. 20% physical resists from CP
35% magic resists from armor. 10% from CP.
33% critical resist.

I only have 2500 weapon dmg or so. I run Viper Blackrose and Tremorscale. Yes META AF.

I still have to judiciously block and dodge roll. I still get wiped out by multiple guys.

To solo in this game is VERY difficult as a non NB. Dont do it. Run with a group. If you are a small group ad you run into a guy who seems to WANT to fight. DONT..

Choose your fights. Leave my proc sets alone.

ITS THE ONLY WAY TO KILL A HEAL SPEC OR TANK.. Even then it takes SOOO much effort to drop one of these builds..

Dont L2P.. L2build!

Create a tankish build that uses proc sets? Yup nobody has thought of that...

Belicourt · October 2016

MDk over here sipping his tea like "now you know how we've felt the whole time"

Edziu · October 2016

radiostar wrote: »

Pls don't nerf PvE over this. Not again!

no nerf to pve sets, battlespirit only on pvp ereas will nerf proc sets etc, outside cyrodil they will be untouched

only this now we need and will be the best change without bigger nerfs affecting on all

eliisra · October 2016

This is bad for business. I was seriously thinking of returning to ESO(after 8 months of playing other games). But after reading about this crap, I know I'll pass.

Stamina builds can instakill with armor proc's now lol? People play proc v.s proc PvP?

Always some mad broken stuff after each update everyone abuses to the max(while *** defend it with l2p). Was really hoping the game had change somewhat, but I guess I was wrong because mad scientist Wrobel can't help himself.

I'll definitely come back in a few month or so to check if ESO is worth taking up again. But I doubt it. They really need to stop patching crazy *** like this to the live client.

PS4_ZeColmeia · October 2016

battle spirit nerfing proc damage seems like the easy solution. Question is will ZoS implement a tag on all of the sets to do it through battle spirit or kill the sets like normal.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · October 2016

If you're a magic player just equip Soul Assault. Even the tankiest of players have trouble dealing with 70k damage in under 4 seconds.

It's not a cure all but it's an easy non-proc way of leveling the battlefield.

Kutsuu · October 2016

TheSeer wrote: »

I actually noticed this while running dailies today. The tank healed, dps had heals and as a healer I cried inside cause I felt completely useless.

How can you act like that's new? I've always had heals with every tank and DPS build I've ever used. It's really only the "trials" builds that leave that out...

Izaki · October 2016

disintegr8 wrote: »

All fine here in PVE land......... guess I'll stay here a while longer

I need to grind Vigor.......................................... and Caltrops........................................................ Black Rose and Selene? Here I come!

Izaki · October 2016

Lava_Croft wrote: »

radiostar wrote: »

Pls don't nerf PvE over this. Not again!

You never needed these ridiculously high damage proc sets in PvE, since almost all of PvE is braindead easy.

Have you got Dro-m'anthra Destroyer yet? No? Well, then PvE is not braindead easy.
You "PvP only people" think that PvP requires so much skill and everything and always say that PvE is face roll easy. Yet, those PvPer when they do a pledge they are dead most of the time or spamming Dizzy Swing on a boss doing around 15k DPS.

Both PvP and PvE require different things. PvE can be considered easier once you've learned the mechanics. But its not like PvP is extremely hard either. In both situations if you are a good player, then you won't struggle most of the time.

Izaki · October 2016

Calboy wrote: »

Lol at all the pve players. Every single one of them complains about PvPers getting things nerfed for the sake of balance yet they are happily rolling through dungeons without dedicated healers or tanks.

You ever seen a hard mode trial completed without a tank or a healer? No didn't think so.

Gothren wrote: »

pve in this game is easy and boring.... *yawn*

I have never once said "oh man i cant wait to try out this new dungeon for the first time".

Go do hard mode MoL then. You'll spend around 9 hours in there your first time. Dungeons aren't hard I'll give you that, don't generalize all PvE content which you probably have never set foot in and will most likely never be able to complete anyway. Unless you have the Dro-m'anthra Destroyer title, you can't say that all PvE content is easy.

Izaki · October 2016

danno8 wrote: »

Honestly I would rate the current cookie cutter stamina domination as just barely below the original magicka DK domination of the early game in it's absoluteness of superiority. I can't think of any other point in the game where it was just so plain and obvious what the dominating builds are.

Every single death recap is some combo of Viper + Velidreth +Tremorscale + Selenes.

Not so much stamina domination, more like proc set domination. 2 very different things.

Lava_Croft · October 2016

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

radiostar wrote: »

Pls don't nerf PvE over this. Not again!

You never needed these ridiculously high damage proc sets in PvE, since almost all of PvE is braindead easy.

Have you got Dro-m'anthra Destroyer yet? No? Well, then PvE is not braindead easy.
You "PvP only people" think that PvP requires so much skill and everything and always say that PvE is face roll easy. Yet, those PvPer when they do a pledge they are dead most of the time or spamming Dizzy Swing on a boss doing around 15k DPS.

Both PvP and PvE require different things. PvE can be considered easier once you've learned the mechanics. But its not like PvP is extremely hard either. In both situations if you are a good player, then you won't struggle most of the time.

You found a single piece of PvE endgame content which is specifically designed to be hard and which has been completed without the aid of these new ridiculous proc sets?

That leaves the rest of PvE as being braindead easy.

[PS] The fact that you posted 4 times in a row is a good indication...

timidobserver · October 2016

Vaoh wrote: »

This patch will be known as the Call of Duty patch of ESO. You can one shot people with multi-proc builds if you utilize the right setup. No need to even use your Ult to oneshot unless they're Heavy Armor with 26K+ health.

At this point I'd be fine if a temporary 25-50% damage reduction to PvP set damage procs were put in place through Battle Spirit.

Alas....

Welcome to One Tamriel PvP, the pinnacle of imbalance.

@Wrobel PLEASE FIX THIS Q1 2017!!!!!! IT'S EXTREMELY BAD.

I support this idea. Do it through battle spirit so everyone else doesn't have to deal with it.

Alucardo · October 2016

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

radiostar wrote: »

Pls don't nerf PvE over this. Not again!

You never needed these ridiculously high damage proc sets in PvE, since almost all of PvE is braindead easy.

Both PvP and PvE require different things. PvE can be considered easier once you've learned the mechanics. But its not like PvP is extremely hard either. In both situations if you are a good player, then you won't struggle most of the time.

This right here is why PVE sucks. Once you've got the mechanics down, what's the point? It never changes. PVP is dynamic - you never know what class or build you're going to run into. It's exciting, and.. who am I kidding. I want to put my head through a wall.

Lava_Croft · October 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

radiostar wrote: »

Pls don't nerf PvE over this. Not again!

You never needed these ridiculously high damage proc sets in PvE, since almost all of PvE is braindead easy.

Both PvP and PvE require different things. PvE can be considered easier once you've learned the mechanics. But its not like PvP is extremely hard either. In both situations if you are a good player, then you won't struggle most of the time.

This right here is why PVE sucks. Once you've got the mechanics down, what's the point? It never changes. PVP is dynamic - you never know what class or build you're going to run into. It's exciting, and.. who am I kidding. I want to put my head through a wall.

ESO's PvP is the only part of the game that is truly the sandbox that The Elder Scrolls has always been famous for. PvE is nothing but a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone that while presented in a pretty and often immersive way, really does nothing new or special compared to the games it attempts to clone.

Kas · October 2016

meanwhile 90% of duels takes ages to finish... ofc duellists build more tanky and everyone's favorite wannabe legolas sniper zergling. but why shouldn't everybody have to for pvp? sure, there are issues (luck based events, magicka/stamina balance for certain situations, over- and underperforming skills, etc), but 1-shots don't really exist in duels between good players because no build/class is really forced but build in a way where they can be one shot one of the (without doubt over-performing) proc-combos

danno8 · October 2016

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

Honestly I would rate the current cookie cutter stamina domination as just barely below the original magicka DK domination of the early game in it's absoluteness of superiority. I can't think of any other point in the game where it was just so plain and obvious what the dominating builds are.

Every single death recap is some combo of Viper + Velidreth +Tremorscale + Selenes.

Not so much stamina domination, more like proc set domination. 2 very different things.

True, but the high damage, low cooldown, "on-demand" proc sets are all stamina/weapon damage/weapon crit based.

You don't see too many people complaining about Skoria for example, even though it's high damage. Why? Because when it goes off is somewhat random and so it cannot be combined to fire at the same time as another set (like the Stamina based sets can).

Smasherx74 · October 2016

Duukar wrote: »

You see I was saving this piece of info for myself since I seem to be the smartest one on here.

If you are sub 400 CP.. Don't PvP.. !

You aren't even close to the smartest person here based on what you've proposed. There have been emperors who had under 400cp. I've seen superman builds on cp300 players, I've watched them hold off an entire zerg in their castle with self sustain using the superman sets.