Macros and PvP

Sumpfheini

To all the people who say animation cancel is intended: After release one of the main complains was the sluggishness of inputs, especially weapon-swap. It was terrible. They overhauled the animation priority and we got animation cancel. They made an attempt to fix it on PTR but it failed. Then they suddenly declared it "intended" and a "feature". So in summary: They simply have a terrible system and are just too incompetent to fix/replace it with something satisfying. Therefore this bug is considered a wonderful gameplay addition. Guess they could have saved themselves some money by not hiring an animation department or how often do you see the fully played animation?

laksikus

give us some proof. make a vid next time.

Milvan

Best thing we can do is to play pvp with our dash cam on. Its the only way to show people whats really happening.

hyttemaierb16_ESO

laksikus wrote: »

give us some proof. make a vid next time.

Proof that i died in 2 seconds, well you are going to have to take my word for it, im not going to name and shame anyone, even if its a cheater cause its against TOS in allmost all online games now but you can ask yourself this question, what would i gain from making it up, since all i want out of this, is for it to stop? (Macro slice, that is)

hyttemaierb16_ESO

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

What region/platform are you on OP? If you're PC NA I can teach you how to animation cancel like a pro in no time. And if you plan to keep playing this game, I'd really recommend learning it, because regardless of your opinion on it, the developers have already said it is not an exploit. Not only that, but the reason animation canceling exists is because it is deeply embedded in the way the entire combat system was designed, meaning removing it would require them to completely redesign the way combat works in this game. While the developers did not explicitly intend for animation canceling to be a thing, it is merely an emergent property of the core combat mechanics they created.

Seriously though, send me a message if you want to learn animation canceling. You'll see that it is actually pretty easy, and really not as scary as people make it out to be.

Thanks, thats realy a kind offer, nae im good i havent had any troubles killing stuff or players, before "macro slice" happend, i think i do animation cancel by accident sometimes tho, when im using my bow, at least it looks like it, but its not realy a thing i would like to learn, would rather have an option to "disable" it, but from the sound of it, it seems they arent capable to fix it, that or afraid to lose players that like to use it.

rotaugen454

hyttemaierb16_ESO wrote: »

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

What region/platform are you on OP? If you're PC NA I can teach you how to animation cancel like a pro in no time. And if you plan to keep playing this game, I'd really recommend learning it, because regardless of your opinion on it, the developers have already said it is not an exploit. Not only that, but the reason animation canceling exists is because it is deeply embedded in the way the entire combat system was designed, meaning removing it would require them to completely redesign the way combat works in this game. While the developers did not explicitly intend for animation canceling to be a thing, it is merely an emergent property of the core combat mechanics they created.

Seriously though, send me a message if you want to learn animation canceling. You'll see that it is actually pretty easy, and really not as scary as people make it out to be.

Thanks, thats realy a kind offer, nae im good i havent had any troubles killing stuff or players, before "macro slice" happend, i think i do animation cancel by accident sometimes tho, when im using my bow, at least it looks like it, but its not realy a thing i would like to learn, would rather have an option to "disable" it, but from the sound of it, it seems they arent capable to fix it, that or afraid to lose players that like to use it.

You do realize that macro slice isn't a macro. It is a bug exploit that MAY be done with a macro or done manually. Since the title of this thread is talking about macros, we can talk about macros, but bug exploits and animation cancelling are other topics.

mtwiggz

You're really beating a dead horse here. Macros will never be completely removed from this game, or any other. It's too difficult for a computer program to differentiate between player dexterity and a macro. Many good players would get banned by said program for absolutely no reason.

Animation cancelling is something that is here to stay as well. ZoS tried to make it a little bit better a few patches ago and ended up making the combat very sluggish. Being that they really show time and time again they have no idea what they're doing nor actually play this game more than in a closed test environment.

The real issue are the few skills that go around GCD, don't follow proper CC immunity and the new perma-CC "bugs". Which ZoS also doesn't fix after said issues are reported to them. Or we have to wait 3 months for a major content release for a "maybe" fix to one or two of the hundreds of issues.

hyttemaierb16_ESO

rotaugen454 wrote: »

hyttemaierb16_ESO wrote: »

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

What region/platform are you on OP? If you're PC NA I can teach you how to animation cancel like a pro in no time. And if you plan to keep playing this game, I'd really recommend learning it, because regardless of your opinion on it, the developers have already said it is not an exploit. Not only that, but the reason animation canceling exists is because it is deeply embedded in the way the entire combat system was designed, meaning removing it would require them to completely redesign the way combat works in this game. While the developers did not explicitly intend for animation canceling to be a thing, it is merely an emergent property of the core combat mechanics they created.

Seriously though, send me a message if you want to learn animation canceling. You'll see that it is actually pretty easy, and really not as scary as people make it out to be.

Thanks, thats realy a kind offer, nae im good i havent had any troubles killing stuff or players, before "macro slice" happend, i think i do animation cancel by accident sometimes tho, when im using my bow, at least it looks like it, but its not realy a thing i would like to learn, would rather have an option to "disable" it, but from the sound of it, it seems they arent capable to fix it, that or afraid to lose players that like to use it.

You do realize that macro slice isn't a macro. It is a bug exploit that MAY be done with a macro or done manually. Since the title of this thread is talking about macros, we can talk about macros, but bug exploits and animation cancelling are other topics.

When i made this post i thought that it was a macro i died to, thanks to some kind people i now know its called "macro slice", renaming the topic would be kinda wierd now right? if someone wanted to read it all

ColoursYouHave

hyttemaierb16_ESO wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

give us some proof. make a vid next time.

Proof that i died in 2 seconds, well you are going to have to take my word for it, im not going to name and shame anyone, even if its a cheater cause its against TOS in allmost all online games now but you can ask yourself this question, what would i gain from making it up, since all i want out of this, is for it to stop? (Macro slice, that is)

You're probably not making things up, but rather just not understanding what is actually going on.

You can get off a light attack, venom arrow, weapon swap, gap close, spamable DPS, execute in a matter of seconds easily without macros, being caught in the "macroslice" bug, or any other form of cheating.

And even if you do legitimately get killed by a "macroslice" bug, don't just assume that person is cheating. I've done it several times when I was trying to gap close an enemy, got stuck in the animation, started trying to use other attacks, and then all the attacks registered once I broke from the animation. It is entirely possible that somebody has figured out how to replicate the bug to exploit it, but I've yet to run into a single person who does it intentionally, and more than likely you either got killed by somebody who just knows how to pull off a legitimate combo, or you were at the wrong place at the wrong time when an enemies charge animation crapped out.

Offer still stands to learn about animation canceling. At the very least learning how to do it would help you understand what you're actually talking about.

hyttemaierb16_ESO

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

hyttemaierb16_ESO wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

give us some proof. make a vid next time.

Proof that i died in 2 seconds, well you are going to have to take my word for it, im not going to name and shame anyone, even if its a cheater cause its against TOS in allmost all online games now but you can ask yourself this question, what would i gain from making it up, since all i want out of this, is for it to stop? (Macro slice, that is)

You're probably not making things up, but rather just not understanding what is actually going on.

You can get off a light attack, venom arrow, weapon swap, gap close, spamable DPS, execute in a matter of seconds easily without macros, being caught in the "macroslice" bug, or any other form of cheating.

And even if you do legitimately get killed by a "macroslice" bug, don't just assume that person is cheating. I've done it several times when I was trying to gap close an enemy, got stuck in the animation, started trying to use other attacks, and then all the attacks registered once I broke from the animation. It is entirely possible that somebody has figured out how to replicate the bug to exploit it, but I've yet to run into a single person who does it intentionally, and more than likely you either got killed by somebody who just knows how to pull off a legitimate combo, or you were at the wrong place at the wrong time when an enemies charge animation crapped out.

Offer still stands to learn about animation canceling. At the very least learning how to do it would help you understand what you're actually talking about.

Im against naming and shaming, but take a look at the videos posted in the tread, some streamer knows how to replicate it, as you can see in his videos, and considering he have 10k followers, i would assume that alot of people now know how to do it.

rotaugen454

From what I understand, macro slice isn't 100% either. Sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't. It would be nice to have it fixed. Animation cancel is just part of the game, but my fingers cramp after a while doing the hokey pokey when using it.

hyttemaierb16_ESO

rotaugen454 wrote: »

From what I understand, macro slice isn't 100% either. Sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't. It would be nice to have it fixed. Animation cancel is just part of the game, but my fingers cramp after a while doing the hokey pokey when using it.

See now i hope they fix animation canceling, at the very least for your fingers sake

rotaugen454

hyttemaierb16_ESO wrote: »

rotaugen454 wrote: »

From what I understand, macro slice isn't 100% either. Sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't. It would be nice to have it fixed. Animation cancel is just part of the game, but my fingers cramp after a while doing the hokey pokey when using it.

See now i hope they fix animation canceling, at the very least for your fingers sake

I'd be fine if they did, but I doubt they will.

ColoursYouHave

hyttemaierb16_ESO wrote: »

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

hyttemaierb16_ESO wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

give us some proof. make a vid next time.

Proof that i died in 2 seconds, well you are going to have to take my word for it, im not going to name and shame anyone, even if its a cheater cause its against TOS in allmost all online games now but you can ask yourself this question, what would i gain from making it up, since all i want out of this, is for it to stop? (Macro slice, that is)

You're probably not making things up, but rather just not understanding what is actually going on.

You can get off a light attack, venom arrow, weapon swap, gap close, spamable DPS, execute in a matter of seconds easily without macros, being caught in the "macroslice" bug, or any other form of cheating.

And even if you do legitimately get killed by a "macroslice" bug, don't just assume that person is cheating. I've done it several times when I was trying to gap close an enemy, got stuck in the animation, started trying to use other attacks, and then all the attacks registered once I broke from the animation. It is entirely possible that somebody has figured out how to replicate the bug to exploit it, but I've yet to run into a single person who does it intentionally, and more than likely you either got killed by somebody who just knows how to pull off a legitimate combo, or you were at the wrong place at the wrong time when an enemies charge animation crapped out.

Offer still stands to learn about animation canceling. At the very least learning how to do it would help you understand what you're actually talking about.

Im against naming and shaming, but take a look at the videos posted in the tread, some streamer knows how to replicate it, as you can see in his videos, and considering he have 10k followers, i would assume that alot of people now know how to do it.

And what makes you think he is doing it intentionally? Because he posted several videos of it? If I posted several videos of it happening to me would that mean I'm doing it intentionally too? Or might that mean I just wanted to post a funny of video of some weird bug I've been running into? Hell, in one video he even says "please crit rush" suggesting he doesn't want his crit rush to get locked up. In another one of the videos he is making fun of one of the developers for allowing a bug like that to hit the live servers.

hyttemaierb16_ESO

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

hyttemaierb16_ESO wrote: »

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

hyttemaierb16_ESO wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

give us some proof. make a vid next time.

Proof that i died in 2 seconds, well you are going to have to take my word for it, im not going to name and shame anyone, even if its a cheater cause its against TOS in allmost all online games now but you can ask yourself this question, what would i gain from making it up, since all i want out of this, is for it to stop? (Macro slice, that is)

You're probably not making things up, but rather just not understanding what is actually going on.

You can get off a light attack, venom arrow, weapon swap, gap close, spamable DPS, execute in a matter of seconds easily without macros, being caught in the "macroslice" bug, or any other form of cheating.

And even if you do legitimately get killed by a "macroslice" bug, don't just assume that person is cheating. I've done it several times when I was trying to gap close an enemy, got stuck in the animation, started trying to use other attacks, and then all the attacks registered once I broke from the animation. It is entirely possible that somebody has figured out how to replicate the bug to exploit it, but I've yet to run into a single person who does it intentionally, and more than likely you either got killed by somebody who just knows how to pull off a legitimate combo, or you were at the wrong place at the wrong time when an enemies charge animation crapped out.

Offer still stands to learn about animation canceling. At the very least learning how to do it would help you understand what you're actually talking about.

Im against naming and shaming, but take a look at the videos posted in the tread, some streamer knows how to replicate it, as you can see in his videos, and considering he have 10k followers, i would assume that alot of people now know how to do it.

And what makes you think he is doing it intentionally? Because he posted several videos of it? If I posted several videos of it happening to me would that mean I'm doing it intentionally too? Or might that mean I just wanted to post a funny of video of some weird bug I've been running into? Hell, in one video he even says "please crit rush" suggesting he doesn't want his crit rush to get locked up. In another one of the videos he is making fun of one of the developers for allowing a bug like that to hit the live servers.

When you crit rush someone in pvp, and clearly knows about it (after video 1) you have the choice to either, keep spamming skills and continue to exploit it, or do as you are supposed to do, report it, maby its just me? common you can clearly see in the video he is trying hard to replicate it, and remarks "i gotta highlight that" & "queuing up a macro slice" arent realy helping hes case, wouldent you agree? about your question, what would you do? would you continue or report it? i mean what happend to gaming lately, more and more people are defending what clearly is exploits (macro slice).

ColoursYouHave

hyttemaierb16_ESO wrote: »

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

hyttemaierb16_ESO wrote: »

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

hyttemaierb16_ESO wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

give us some proof. make a vid next time.

Proof that i died in 2 seconds, well you are going to have to take my word for it, im not going to name and shame anyone, even if its a cheater cause its against TOS in allmost all online games now but you can ask yourself this question, what would i gain from making it up, since all i want out of this, is for it to stop? (Macro slice, that is)

You're probably not making things up, but rather just not understanding what is actually going on.

You can get off a light attack, venom arrow, weapon swap, gap close, spamable DPS, execute in a matter of seconds easily without macros, being caught in the "macroslice" bug, or any other form of cheating.

And even if you do legitimately get killed by a "macroslice" bug, don't just assume that person is cheating. I've done it several times when I was trying to gap close an enemy, got stuck in the animation, started trying to use other attacks, and then all the attacks registered once I broke from the animation. It is entirely possible that somebody has figured out how to replicate the bug to exploit it, but I've yet to run into a single person who does it intentionally, and more than likely you either got killed by somebody who just knows how to pull off a legitimate combo, or you were at the wrong place at the wrong time when an enemies charge animation crapped out.

Offer still stands to learn about animation canceling. At the very least learning how to do it would help you understand what you're actually talking about.

Im against naming and shaming, but take a look at the videos posted in the tread, some streamer knows how to replicate it, as you can see in his videos, and considering he have 10k followers, i would assume that alot of people now know how to do it.

And what makes you think he is doing it intentionally? Because he posted several videos of it? If I posted several videos of it happening to me would that mean I'm doing it intentionally too? Or might that mean I just wanted to post a funny of video of some weird bug I've been running into? Hell, in one video he even says "please crit rush" suggesting he doesn't want his crit rush to get locked up. In another one of the videos he is making fun of one of the developers for allowing a bug like that to hit the live servers.

When you crit rush someone in pvp, and clearly knows about it (after video 1) you have the choice to either, keep spamming skills and continue to exploit it, or do as you are supposed to do, report it, maby its just me? common you can clearly see in the video he is trying hard to replicate it, and remarks "i gotta highlight that" & "queuing up a macro slice" arent realy helping hes case, wouldent you agree? about your question, what would you do? would you continue or report it? i mean what happend to gaming lately, more and more people are defending what clearly is exploits (macro slice).

Yeah, because I'm sure the guy who has made multiple 30 minute+ videos addressing the problem with cheating in ESO is going around streaming himself cheating. He probably isn't just highlighting these videos or saying he is queuing up a macroslice because its entertaining or anything...

hyttemaierb16_ESO

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

hyttemaierb16_ESO wrote: »

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

hyttemaierb16_ESO wrote: »

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

hyttemaierb16_ESO wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

give us some proof. make a vid next time.

Proof that i died in 2 seconds, well you are going to have to take my word for it, im not going to name and shame anyone, even if its a cheater cause its against TOS in allmost all online games now but you can ask yourself this question, what would i gain from making it up, since all i want out of this, is for it to stop? (Macro slice, that is)

You're probably not making things up, but rather just not understanding what is actually going on.

You can get off a light attack, venom arrow, weapon swap, gap close, spamable DPS, execute in a matter of seconds easily without macros, being caught in the "macroslice" bug, or any other form of cheating.

And even if you do legitimately get killed by a "macroslice" bug, don't just assume that person is cheating. I've done it several times when I was trying to gap close an enemy, got stuck in the animation, started trying to use other attacks, and then all the attacks registered once I broke from the animation. It is entirely possible that somebody has figured out how to replicate the bug to exploit it, but I've yet to run into a single person who does it intentionally, and more than likely you either got killed by somebody who just knows how to pull off a legitimate combo, or you were at the wrong place at the wrong time when an enemies charge animation crapped out.

Offer still stands to learn about animation canceling. At the very least learning how to do it would help you understand what you're actually talking about.

Im against naming and shaming, but take a look at the videos posted in the tread, some streamer knows how to replicate it, as you can see in his videos, and considering he have 10k followers, i would assume that alot of people now know how to do it.

And what makes you think he is doing it intentionally? Because he posted several videos of it? If I posted several videos of it happening to me would that mean I'm doing it intentionally too? Or might that mean I just wanted to post a funny of video of some weird bug I've been running into? Hell, in one video he even says "please crit rush" suggesting he doesn't want his crit rush to get locked up. In another one of the videos he is making fun of one of the developers for allowing a bug like that to hit the live servers.

When you crit rush someone in pvp, and clearly knows about it (after video 1) you have the choice to either, keep spamming skills and continue to exploit it, or do as you are supposed to do, report it, maby its just me? common you can clearly see in the video he is trying hard to replicate it, and remarks "i gotta highlight that" & "queuing up a macro slice" arent realy helping hes case, wouldent you agree? about your question, what would you do? would you continue or report it? i mean what happend to gaming lately, more and more people are defending what clearly is exploits (macro slice).

Yeah, because I'm sure the guy who has made multiple 30 minute+ videos addressing the problem with cheating in ESO is going around streaming himself cheating. He probably isn't just highlighting these videos or saying he is queuing up a macroslice because its entertaining or anything...

So because he made videos about cheating in eso before, he is now entitled to do it himself, without question? well its not up to me or you, and most likely we wont agree on the subject, but i gotta get some sleep, ill be happy discussing it further when i wake up again, until then peace out and sleep well.

ZoM_Head

rotaugen454 wrote: »

Here it is again, with the Global Cooldown vs too many actions in too short a time period. From what I hear, it has to be lag that makes everything hit at once, as you can't do this many actions in such a short time period.

Yes and no.

Trouble is, there is no way one can prove it.

Obviously lag is a factor in any online game, but so is common sense.

Just like animation cancelling, macros can override certain cooldowns, just much much faster.

But i will say there are players that use macros, in PvE and in PvP, that is something no one can disagree with. But as stated, prove it.....with actual evidence.

snejremllov

hyttemaierb16_ESO wrote: »

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

hyttemaierb16_ESO wrote: »

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

hyttemaierb16_ESO wrote: »

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

hyttemaierb16_ESO wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

give us some proof. make a vid next time.

Proof that i died in 2 seconds, well you are going to have to take my word for it, im not going to name and shame anyone, even if its a cheater cause its against TOS in allmost all online games now but you can ask yourself this question, what would i gain from making it up, since all i want out of this, is for it to stop? (Macro slice, that is)

You're probably not making things up, but rather just not understanding what is actually going on.

You can get off a light attack, venom arrow, weapon swap, gap close, spamable DPS, execute in a matter of seconds easily without macros, being caught in the "macroslice" bug, or any other form of cheating.

And even if you do legitimately get killed by a "macroslice" bug, don't just assume that person is cheating. I've done it several times when I was trying to gap close an enemy, got stuck in the animation, started trying to use other attacks, and then all the attacks registered once I broke from the animation. It is entirely possible that somebody has figured out how to replicate the bug to exploit it, but I've yet to run into a single person who does it intentionally, and more than likely you either got killed by somebody who just knows how to pull off a legitimate combo, or you were at the wrong place at the wrong time when an enemies charge animation crapped out.

Offer still stands to learn about animation canceling. At the very least learning how to do it would help you understand what you're actually talking about.

Im against naming and shaming, but take a look at the videos posted in the tread, some streamer knows how to replicate it, as you can see in his videos, and considering he have 10k followers, i would assume that alot of people now know how to do it.

And what makes you think he is doing it intentionally? Because he posted several videos of it? If I posted several videos of it happening to me would that mean I'm doing it intentionally too? Or might that mean I just wanted to post a funny of video of some weird bug I've been running into? Hell, in one video he even says "please crit rush" suggesting he doesn't want his crit rush to get locked up. In another one of the videos he is making fun of one of the developers for allowing a bug like that to hit the live servers.

When you crit rush someone in pvp, and clearly knows about it (after video 1) you have the choice to either, keep spamming skills and continue to exploit it, or do as you are supposed to do, report it, maby its just me? common you can clearly see in the video he is trying hard to replicate it, and remarks "i gotta highlight that" & "queuing up a macro slice" arent realy helping hes case, wouldent you agree? about your question, what would you do? would you continue or report it? i mean what happend to gaming lately, more and more people are defending what clearly is exploits (macro slice).

Yeah, because I'm sure the guy who has made multiple 30 minute+ videos addressing the problem with cheating in ESO is going around streaming himself cheating. He probably isn't just highlighting these videos or saying he is queuing up a macroslice because its entertaining or anything...

So because he made videos about cheating in eso before, he is now entitled to do it himself, without question? well its not up to me or you, and most likely we wont agree on the subject, but i gotta get some sleep, ill be happy discussing it further when i wake up again, until then peace out and sleep well.

You clearly don't listen to people who are trying to explain this to you in a reasonable way. As @ColoursYouHave said, you have no idea what you're actually talking about. You made a post complaining about a combo that seems impossible to pull off with your knowledge of the game. And as soon as someone mentions the "macro slice" you're immediately convinced it's the thing that hit you.
You also continue to ignore multiple people who have told you that any skilled player can pull off the exact sequence of actions you describe in your original post, within the same time frame (or even less). And they can do so with player skill alone, using animation cancelling. No macros needed.
Nobody is defending cheaters here, you're trying to make a case against a most likely legit player who killed you with a properly animation cancelled combo. And while we obviously can't confirm that for sure (you haven't included any proof in your original post) in a majority of the cases, people who get accused of cheating are just superior players to those who complain because they got killed by something they don't understand.
And of course, as other people have said, animation cancelling is here to stay. It's not going anywhere, which makes these forum posts redundant. You can complain but nothing will chance. Even if ZOS wanted to, they're likely unable to.

Avenias

Macro is the current meta. Learn to cheat noob.

hyttemaierb16_ESO

snejremllov wrote: »

hyttemaierb16_ESO wrote: »

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

hyttemaierb16_ESO wrote: »

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

hyttemaierb16_ESO wrote: »

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

hyttemaierb16_ESO wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

give us some proof. make a vid next time.

Proof that i died in 2 seconds, well you are going to have to take my word for it, im not going to name and shame anyone, even if its a cheater cause its against TOS in allmost all online games now but you can ask yourself this question, what would i gain from making it up, since all i want out of this, is for it to stop? (Macro slice, that is)

You're probably not making things up, but rather just not understanding what is actually going on.

You can get off a light attack, venom arrow, weapon swap, gap close, spamable DPS, execute in a matter of seconds easily without macros, being caught in the "macroslice" bug, or any other form of cheating.

And even if you do legitimately get killed by a "macroslice" bug, don't just assume that person is cheating. I've done it several times when I was trying to gap close an enemy, got stuck in the animation, started trying to use other attacks, and then all the attacks registered once I broke from the animation. It is entirely possible that somebody has figured out how to replicate the bug to exploit it, but I've yet to run into a single person who does it intentionally, and more than likely you either got killed by somebody who just knows how to pull off a legitimate combo, or you were at the wrong place at the wrong time when an enemies charge animation crapped out.

Offer still stands to learn about animation canceling. At the very least learning how to do it would help you understand what you're actually talking about.

Im against naming and shaming, but take a look at the videos posted in the tread, some streamer knows how to replicate it, as you can see in his videos, and considering he have 10k followers, i would assume that alot of people now know how to do it.

And what makes you think he is doing it intentionally? Because he posted several videos of it? If I posted several videos of it happening to me would that mean I'm doing it intentionally too? Or might that mean I just wanted to post a funny of video of some weird bug I've been running into? Hell, in one video he even says "please crit rush" suggesting he doesn't want his crit rush to get locked up. In another one of the videos he is making fun of one of the developers for allowing a bug like that to hit the live servers.

When you crit rush someone in pvp, and clearly knows about it (after video 1) you have the choice to either, keep spamming skills and continue to exploit it, or do as you are supposed to do, report it, maby its just me? common you can clearly see in the video he is trying hard to replicate it, and remarks "i gotta highlight that" & "queuing up a macro slice" arent realy helping hes case, wouldent you agree? about your question, what would you do? would you continue or report it? i mean what happend to gaming lately, more and more people are defending what clearly is exploits (macro slice).

Yeah, because I'm sure the guy who has made multiple 30 minute+ videos addressing the problem with cheating in ESO is going around streaming himself cheating. He probably isn't just highlighting these videos or saying he is queuing up a macroslice because its entertaining or anything...

So because he made videos about cheating in eso before, he is now entitled to do it himself, without question? well its not up to me or you, and most likely we wont agree on the subject, but i gotta get some sleep, ill be happy discussing it further when i wake up again, until then peace out and sleep well.

You clearly don't listen to people who are trying to explain this to you in a reasonable way. As @ColoursYouHave said, you have no idea what you're actually talking about. You made a post complaining about a combo that seems impossible to pull off with your knowledge of the game. And as soon as someone mentions the "macro slice" you're immediately convinced it's the thing that hit you.
You also continue to ignore multiple people who have told you that any skilled player can pull off the exact sequence of actions you describe in your original post, within the same time frame (or even less). And they can do so with player skill alone, using animation cancelling. No macros needed.
Nobody is defending cheaters here, you're trying to make a case against a most likely legit player who killed you with a properly animation cancelled combo. And while we obviously can't confirm that for sure (you haven't included any proof in your original post) in a majority of the cases, people who get accused of cheating are just superior players to those who complain because they got killed by something they don't understand.
And of course, as other people have said, animation cancelling is here to stay. It's not going anywhere, which makes these forum posts redundant. You can complain but nothing will chance. Even if ZOS wanted to, they're likely unable to.

Dear Snejremllov, i am listening to you could you with your knowledge of the game show me that combo done, without macroslice? you got my full attention now, i would love to provide you the proff of what killed me, but i cant go back in time and record what happend, and it all happend so fast (2 seconds) so even if i had some kind of recording device, i wouldent have time to react, ill give you this credit tho, i dont know if its macroslice that hit me (it would make sense to me if it was), but now that macroslice is a thing do you want it to stay? going back to "animation canceling" just by looking at the word, cant you see that there is something wrong here? maby its a flaw in the game, maby the devs arent going to fix it, but is it a good thing for the game? i might not know alot about how to do it, but i know this, in any pvp game if some players do have a "hidden" advantage, that insta kills players, its not healty for the pvp part in the game, from what i have gathered of information the devs DID try to fix it, at some point.

What im trying to tell you here, is i most certainly wont enjoy a pvp scenario, where 2 seconds "one-shotting" is a thing, all its doing for the game is, you will see more and more tank chars or dodge rollers (oh wait, that is allready becomming a problem) I get it you spend time learning to bypass game mechanics, but honestly, wouldent you like a fair battlefield? the only reason things like this stays in the game is because of people accepting it.

Im just going to leave this word here "animation-canceling" please look at the word, and say its legit one more time

hyttemaierb16_ESO

Avenias wrote: »

Macro is the current meta. Learn to cheat noob.

I see what you did there, thanks for that

bowmanz607

O dear. Another one.

I am going to say how this thread is going without even reading the comments.

-op claims x amount of attacks hit me in x amount of time
-people yell gcd, so that is not possible (which is true)
-people say you can do it without macros (which is true)
-people tell at the people from point two and three yelling you must be a cheater using macros
-people enlightening op on point two and point three yell at those from point 4 saying how they have provided a factual argument regardless if you think I use macros.
-theven people that point 5 is directed at yell you know nothing and all you do is use macros
-from there the conversation repeats this pattern for awhile or the people from point two and three give up and face palm it while the others continue to spout non sense about a game in which they have established over the course of 10 pages that they do not understand the mechanics


Did I nail it?

-yes there are people using macros.
-yes using a macro is cheating
-yes there is no human error with macros
-yes there are gcd to prevent x amount to of attacks from hitting in the infamously claimed 1 second time frames
-yes you can become skilled enough at the game to replicate what a macro does on a regular basis
-yes, not all people that attack you using animation cancelling like a pro are macro users.
-yes macro users will talk about gcd and how you can do it without macros
-yes people who use animation cancelling like a pro will talk about gcd and how you can do it without macros.

The common theme in these threads are the people that refuse to understand how mechanics in this game operate and continue to yell.

hyttemaierb16_ESO

bowmanz607 wrote: »

O dear. Another one.

I am going to say how this thread is going without even reading the comments.

-op claims x amount of attacks hit me in x amount of time
-people yell gcd, so that is not possible (which is true)
-people say you can do it without macros (which is true)
-people tell at the people from point two and three yelling you must be a cheater using macros
-people enlightening op on point two and point three yell at those from point 4 saying how they have provided a factual argument regardless if you think I use macros.
-theven people that point 5 is directed at yell you know nothing and all you do is use macros
-from there the conversation repeats this pattern for awhile or the people from point two and three give up and face palm it while the others continue to spout non sense about a game in which they have established over the course of 10 pages that they do not understand the mechanics


Did I nail it?

-yes there are people using macros.
-yes using a macro is cheating
-yes there is no human error with macros
-yes there are gcd to prevent x amount to of attacks from hitting in the infamously claimed 1 second time frames
-yes you can become skilled enough at the game to replicate what a macro does on a regular basis
-yes, not all people that attack you using animation cancelling like a pro are macro users.
-yes macro users will talk about gcd and how you can do it without macros
-yes people who use animation cancelling like a pro will talk about gcd and how you can do it without macros.

The common theme in these threads are the people that refuse to understand how mechanics in this game operate and continue to yell.

Its all much clearer for me now, ESO announcing we got this cool new feature in our game "animation-canceling" where you cancel the animations we made in the game, its not a flaw in the game, its what makes the game "special" Its a legit new fast paced combat system we developed, for L33T players, its not a flaw we promice

bowmanz607

hyttemaierb16_ESO wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

O dear. Another one.

I am going to say how this thread is going without even reading the comments.

-op claims x amount of attacks hit me in x amount of time
-people yell gcd, so that is not possible (which is true)
-people say you can do it without macros (which is true)
-people tell at the people from point two and three yelling you must be a cheater using macros
-people enlightening op on point two and point three yell at those from point 4 saying how they have provided a factual argument regardless if you think I use macros.
-theven people that point 5 is directed at yell you know nothing and all you do is use macros
-from there the conversation repeats this pattern for awhile or the people from point two and three give up and face palm it while the others continue to spout non sense about a game in which they have established over the course of 10 pages that they do not understand the mechanics


Did I nail it?

-yes there are people using macros.
-yes using a macro is cheating
-yes there is no human error with macros
-yes there are gcd to prevent x amount to of attacks from hitting in the infamously claimed 1 second time frames
-yes you can become skilled enough at the game to replicate what a macro does on a regular basis
-yes, not all people that attack you using animation cancelling like a pro are macro users.
-yes macro users will talk about gcd and how you can do it without macros
-yes people who use animation cancelling like a pro will talk about gcd and how you can do it without macros.

The common theme in these threads are the people that refuse to understand how mechanics in this game operate and continue to yell.

Its all much clearer for me now, ESO announcing we got this cool new feature in our game "animation-canceling" where you cancel the animations we made in the game, its not a flaw in the game, its what makes the game "special" Its a legit new fast paced combat system we developed, for L33T players, its not a flaw we promice

It was unintended but embraced. I would agree that it adds an element of skill to the game for us legit players. There will always be cheaters. If animation cancelling was not a thing then those cheaters would find another way to cheat. At least I know that my time and practice in becoming good at is all from skill.

hyttemaierb16_ESO

bowmanz607 wrote: »

hyttemaierb16_ESO wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

O dear. Another one.

I am going to say how this thread is going without even reading the comments.

-op claims x amount of attacks hit me in x amount of time
-people yell gcd, so that is not possible (which is true)
-people say you can do it without macros (which is true)
-people tell at the people from point two and three yelling you must be a cheater using macros
-people enlightening op on point two and point three yell at those from point 4 saying how they have provided a factual argument regardless if you think I use macros.
-theven people that point 5 is directed at yell you know nothing and all you do is use macros
-from there the conversation repeats this pattern for awhile or the people from point two and three give up and face palm it while the others continue to spout non sense about a game in which they have established over the course of 10 pages that they do not understand the mechanics


Did I nail it?

-yes there are people using macros.
-yes using a macro is cheating
-yes there is no human error with macros
-yes there are gcd to prevent x amount to of attacks from hitting in the infamously claimed 1 second time frames
-yes you can become skilled enough at the game to replicate what a macro does on a regular basis
-yes, not all people that attack you using animation cancelling like a pro are macro users.
-yes macro users will talk about gcd and how you can do it without macros
-yes people who use animation cancelling like a pro will talk about gcd and how you can do it without macros.

The common theme in these threads are the people that refuse to understand how mechanics in this game operate and continue to yell.

Its all much clearer for me now, ESO announcing we got this cool new feature in our game "animation-canceling" where you cancel the animations we made in the game, its not a flaw in the game, its what makes the game "special" Its a legit new fast paced combat system we developed, for L33T players, its not a flaw we promice

It was unintended but embraced. I would agree that it adds an element of skill to the game for us legit players. There will always be cheaters. If animation cancelling was not a thing then those cheaters would find another way to cheat. At least I know that my time and practice in becoming good at is all from skill.

Im actually starting to like the attitude of you guys, that are "for" the animation canceling, you are making the "best of the situation", in a flawed combat system, what i dont get is why it was embraced, now we have a situation where pro players will have success, and the "norm" of players will either quit pvp or use a macro to even the battlefield, then ESO will ban the "noob" pvp player for trying to replicate, what pro players do. ESO fix your game or allow macros, pro players will still be better than a macro from what i can read in this thread.

snejremllov

hyttemaierb16_ESO wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

hyttemaierb16_ESO wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

O dear. Another one.

I am going to say how this thread is going without even reading the comments.

-op claims x amount of attacks hit me in x amount of time
-people yell gcd, so that is not possible (which is true)
-people say you can do it without macros (which is true)
-people tell at the people from point two and three yelling you must be a cheater using macros
-people enlightening op on point two and point three yell at those from point 4 saying how they have provided a factual argument regardless if you think I use macros.
-theven people that point 5 is directed at yell you know nothing and all you do is use macros
-from there the conversation repeats this pattern for awhile or the people from point two and three give up and face palm it while the others continue to spout non sense about a game in which they have established over the course of 10 pages that they do not understand the mechanics


Did I nail it?

-yes there are people using macros.
-yes using a macro is cheating
-yes there is no human error with macros
-yes there are gcd to prevent x amount to of attacks from hitting in the infamously claimed 1 second time frames
-yes you can become skilled enough at the game to replicate what a macro does on a regular basis
-yes, not all people that attack you using animation cancelling like a pro are macro users.
-yes macro users will talk about gcd and how you can do it without macros
-yes people who use animation cancelling like a pro will talk about gcd and how you can do it without macros.

The common theme in these threads are the people that refuse to understand how mechanics in this game operate and continue to yell.

Its all much clearer for me now, ESO announcing we got this cool new feature in our game "animation-canceling" where you cancel the animations we made in the game, its not a flaw in the game, its what makes the game "special" Its a legit new fast paced combat system we developed, for L33T players, its not a flaw we promice

It was unintended but embraced. I would agree that it adds an element of skill to the game for us legit players. There will always be cheaters. If animation cancelling was not a thing then those cheaters would find another way to cheat. At least I know that my time and practice in becoming good at is all from skill.

Im actually starting to like the attitude of you guys, that are "for" the animation canceling, you are making the "best of the situation", in a flawed combat system, what i dont get is why it was embraced, now we have a situation where pro players will have success, and the "norm" of players will either quit pvp or use a macro to even the battlefield, then ESO will ban the "noob" pvp player for trying to replicate, what pro players do. ESO fix your game or allow macros, pro players will still be better than a macro from what i can read in this thread.

You are starting to get it now. As said previously, it was not intended but once players discovered the possibilities it opened up, it was embraced. Again, animation cancelling is an additional layer of skill added to the combat. But nothing more than that. You can be a very good player without animation cancelling and you will only lack that one aspect compared to the very best players. If you know how to do it properly you don't suddenly become a pvp god. But for a competitive player who wants to reach the limits of what's possible in the game it's a nice addition and another challenge to master.

The issue many people have with these kind of threads, is that it invalidates the time and effort players have put in to master animation cancelling, a completely legit use of game mechanics, however flawed they may be. Every player has the choice to take the effort to learn how to do it, you don't suck without it but it does make a difference.

OdinForge

Robbmrp wrote: »

Excellent work on that video as it clearly shows the advantage that people can get using gaming devices.

This is a huge grey area here as this isn't the typical Macro, its a programmable feature in a gaming mouse. Which is exactly why people buy these in the first place. I could have thought I read someplace that anything that changes something from pressing multiple buttons into 1 button is against the rules for ESO but couldn't find it in the TOS.

With all the programmable keyboards and mice out there that can take these basic skills in the game, skill cast, weapon swap and also light attacks and combine them into a one button press IMO shouldn't be allowed. This is the basic function of a macro, to perform multiple things with minimal work. I believe this isn't how Zenimax envisioned the game would be played. If it was after all, why don't we have the ability to create these within the game itself instead of a 3rd party device.

I have a Logitech G510 Keyboard with programmable keys yet I haven't made these types of combos on them as I thought they were a clear violation of the TOS. I use a trackball mouse with 4 buttons on it and have skills mapped to those buttons. Just 1 skill so it's the same as if I had hit the actual key. It's an old Microsoft Trackball without programmable macro software.

We really need Zenimax to comment on their stance of these devices and let people know what is acceptable for the game. There are tons of people using these to create multiple combinations just by pressing 1 button.

@ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom who can answer this question regarding the use of programmable input devices that are being used to combo a bunch of skills into a 1 button press? If Zenimax has already, please add a link to that post here.

This is why people are claiming macro's are rampant in PVP. These gaming devices allow multiple combinations to be pulled of by a single button press which cannot be done with a normal keyboard/mouse.

Oh stop it.

There is nothing in that video that displays any type of advantage. I can animation cancel at or around that same speed, not everyone who casts like that is using a macro. Not to mention this is ESO, it's not a FPS where one shot can make the difference. You have builds and varying skills and active defense to help you in combat. If you cannot animation cancel that well, you can still compete with players who can. Animation canceling doesn't automatically make a bad player learn how to resource manage, time burst and get a good build.

Not to mention that in the heat of combat if he used a macro like that on the wrong bar by accident, he'd end up casting the wrong skill since the macro weapon swaps. You don't make those types of stupid mistakes when you're pressing the buttons manually. The more complex your macro, the bigger a chance for you to make unnecessary mistakes. When you're casting a bunch of defense skills instead of only the ones you need, you're wasting resources and ruining your ability to keep DPS on the target you want, not to mention breaking your ability to react to CC.

RinaldoGandolphi

This less about macros and more about opinions and views on the combat system.

I persoanlly think Animation Canceling is rubbish....its button mashing really, BUT I do it because the game requires me to...VMA is impossible to complete without doing it...its very DPS favored and more DPS is better and you won't get that DPS without doing it...so theres that.

Until a better alternative comes around, were stuck with this...I can accept that....doesn't mean I have to like it...I certainly won't accuse folks who do it of cheating either...its no more cheating then crafting a set of armor. just my 2 cents

idk

Robbmrp wrote: »

cjthibs wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

How do the fix it? Do what every other MMO in history has done and put skills on Cool Downs, or do not allow animations to be canceled and still work.

This...this...and this.

Exactly. They should setup the game so that any skill cast after another doesn't play out until all animations have completed on the first. Then your not going to have this 1+2+3+4 shot combo with an instant death recap and only see the last skill.

Make this game rely more on actual skill(movement,sustain,blocking, etc) than whom ever can program a gaming mouse to have the most skills attached to one I win button....

Zos has already blessed animation canceling so it's highly unlikely they will remove it.