SHUFFLE STACK = RUINNING PVP

kadar

Lyar09 wrote: »

It's funny really. People claim there's a shuffle exploit yet there has been no evidence to back it up. I've searched Google and YouTube for video evidence and can't find it. So here's some knowledge for those claiming a shuffle exploit. The ability does not, I repeat, does not, give you 20% dodge chance. It clearly says on the ability tooltip, it INCREASES your dodge chance by 20%. Big difference. Everyone has different rng. You cannot test dodge chance either. You will not replicate the same results with dodge chance on the same player or different players.

Personally, I hate the dodge mechanic of this game. There should be a counter to it. Like a precision chance for accuracy of your attacks. But that will never happen.

So until there is actual evidence. Quit claiming and rage telling another player for dodging your attacks.

THIS.

The problem is that specific people are able to gain 100% dodge in every fight.

No...No, they are not.

@RinaldoGandolphi , what you laid out is the closest thing to the possible truth I've seen yet. It's better than the masses screaming "hack/exploit" anyway...
There's tons of hidden mechanics within mechanics like that in ESO, so it's possible you've guessed at something that ZOS isn't even away functions in that way. I'd like to think that something of that nature would be looked at by ZOS as soon as the Shuffle legend surfaced, but who knows...
I believe the last official word from the Devs is, "Couldn't replicate...maybe you're misunderstanding the tooltip?"

Rohamad_Ali

I have had Fraps ready everyday since this and the speed hack was reported being used again . Still no footage . Haven't seen it in Cyrodiil . The only thing I got was some shield stackers LoS playing around some rocks and that not an exploit or a hack . I'll keep it ready still . But I'd be a liar if I said I've seen it yet .

Recorded some other strange things like players disappearing completely and detect pots not uncovering them but after reviewing myself , noticed my detect pots were old VR5 and dismissed it .

GreenSoup2HoT

Implying shuffle is ruining the game.... when all i see is Proximity Detonation proc'd on every single player in pvp....

Darnathian

Jordaen wrote: »

I'm sorry for all the people that got 1vxd and their excuse is "shuffle stacker". sorry to inform you but its not a thing

Shift button..... lol. keep spinning it.

Darnathian

Bfish22090 wrote: »

it stacks with roll dodge

Getting closer....

glavius

Bug does not exist. One dodge does not grant a 100% dodge period. Test stuff and don't post stuff you have no idea about.

MIAMI

Shuffle doesnt stack, its not balanced tho. There is no cooldown on it and it is completely rng based. but after you dodge you get like 3 seconds of 100% dodge chance.

Rohamad_Ali

MIAMI wrote: »

Shuffle doesnt stack, its not balanced tho. There is no cooldown on it and it is completely rng based. but after you dodge you get like 3 seconds of 100% dodge chance.

Can I see some data to back this up ?

Waffennacht

I just want one person to post a vid of someone dodging 10 times in a row. You can blur out name if you want, even though I don't see how you would be shaming them just to show a high dodge amount.

You don't have to post a vid of you dodging, (but why not?) It's not the same as showing how to exploit. (In fact, by definition, ZoS said there is no exploit, so if you were to post something it would only be that of game mechanics, no?)

Abob

There is no shuffle exploit.

It's just an annoying ability. Its main problem is that it is a must have for any stamina build and it outshines the other armor abilities.

Should be tweaked or replaced for something else.

kadar

Waffennacht wrote: »

I just want one person to post a vid of someone dodging 10 times in a row. You can blur out name if you want, even though I don't see how you would be shaming them just to show a high dodge amount.

You don't have to post a vid of you dodging, (but why not?) It's not the same as showing how to exploit. (In fact, by definition, ZoS said there is no exploit, so if you were to post something it would only be that of game mechanics, no?)

This^
(It won't happen)

IITHEOPII

Shuffle stack.... what have we come to. <facepalmemote>

Lava_Croft

'Shuffle stack' is a joke compared to the Proxytrains.

failkiwib16_ESO

So maybe shuffle doesn't stack with itself, but with other things such as gear bonuses?

It is an OP ability, and I often see players dodge whole groups attacking them ...the truth is, each and every player that have pulled that off have also used other skills such as scales, been tanky to begin with, and have had good personal skills.

Serenityx

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Serenityx wrote: »

Shuffle stacking is a completely irrelevant problem compared to all the other ones currently in game. I dont even get why people complain about things like this when all you have to do is stack shields on a sorc for literal invincibility.

WTB "literal invincibility" for my Sorc...

Doncellius wrote: »

Serenityx wrote: »

Shuffle stacking is a completely irrelevant problem compared to all the other ones currently in game. I dont even get why people complain about things like this when all you have to do is stack shields on a sorc for literal invincibility.

Wow lol. Literal invincibility huh? I'd love for this to be true. My guess is you got 1vXed... a lot... by Magicka Sorcs...

Im sure you would enjoy such an advantage. Maybe get a nice PC rig (if your not on PC now) and test out "cheat program name" thats been happening lately. Im positive you would love that too.

Its not that their actually invincible..unless your in a 1v1-3 scenario and no one has shield breaker 5pc or the majority of champ points into shattering blows. I dislike having to run an entire 5pc just to compete with a sorc stacking shields 1v1.

EDIT: Cut out the name of the program to avoid any moderation of this post and to not spread the name of it..even as known as it is..

joshhh_nb

I hate shuffle but I don't believe shuffle stack exists, it is however overpowered. The chance to dodge 1/4 of attacks is op. I was messing about with a friend and I was trying to cc him with concealed weapon from stealth but when I tried he dodged it with shuffle, I tried again and he dodged it and this went on for about 2 more times, until I finally hit him. It's all about luck, it's all rng, (rng-ezus is op.)

You also have to account for the cheap dodge rolls from eternal hunt/ well fitted and combos like vigor with major mending and cloak, dodge roll, shuffle. Shuffle stack exploit doesn't exist. What does exist is the ability to stack skills which enables you to avoid/ out heal incoming damage.

Master_Kas

joshhh_nb wrote: »

I hate shuffle but I don't believe shuffle stack exists, it is however overpowered. The chance to dodge 1/4 of attacks is op. I was messing about with a friend and I was trying to cc him with concealed weapon from stealth but when I tried he dodged it with shuffle, I tried again and he dodged it and this went on for about 2 more times, until I finally hit him. It's all about luck, it's all rng, (rng-ezus is op.)

You also have to account for the cheap dodge rolls from eternal hunt/ well fitted and combos like vigor with major mending and cloak, dodge roll, shuffle. Shuffle stack exploit doesn't exist. What does exist is the ability to stack skills which enables you to avoid/ out heal incoming damage.

Major mending vigor and cloak? Nb's doesn't have major mending just sayin'.

Unless you use a fully charged resto heavy attack

joshhh_nb

When I say major mending I'm talking about Stam dk and stamplar, sorry I didn't make it clear lol. But cloak, rally, dodge roll and shuffle is almost as good tbh.

kadar

joshhh_nb wrote: »

When I say major mending I'm talking about Stam dk and stamplar, sorry I didn't make it clear lol. But cloak, rally, dodge roll and shuffle is almost as good tbh.

I knocked some poor sap out of stealth for the kill with either 1) my light attack or 2) my poison injection DoT the other day. Cloak = Broke. My stamblade would trade Cloak for class based Major Mending any day.

DHale

Prove it or worry about the five thousand other bugs. You know what ruins pvp.... Bad players on the forum Qqing. Sad sad sad.

hairahcas

All it boils down to in PvP is whomever has the fastest, least laggy internet connection...

Jsmalls

boundsy88 wrote: »

i just dont understand shuffle, the only reason i believe there is a possible exploit is because how poorly it performs for me. i literally NEVER see it save me from a heavy hitter like c-frag, wrecking blow or surprise attack. if it didnt have snare removal i probably wouldnt even bother slotting it

You must be extremely unlucky, shuffle causes 3/5 of my frags to miss.

rfennell_ESO

Ah this thread...

Note the people arguing emphatically there is no shuffle stack.

Realize they know there isn't, it's a value being changed in CE that makes them dodge like that.

It's been pointed out you can change the dodge rate with CE, how about the duration? Inquiring minds would love to know, because we know there are people in this very thread doing it.

AfkNinja

joshhh_nb wrote: »

I hate shuffle but I don't believe shuffle stack exists, it is however overpowered. The chance to dodge 1/4 of attacks is op. I was messing about with a friend and I was trying to cc him with concealed weapon from stealth but when I tried he dodged it with shuffle, I tried again and he dodged it and this went on for about 2 more times, until I finally hit him. It's all about luck, it's all rng, (rng-ezus is op.)

You also have to account for the cheap dodge rolls from eternal hunt/ well fitted and combos like vigor with major mending and cloak, dodge roll, shuffle. Shuffle stack exploit doesn't exist. What does exist is the ability to stack skills which enables you to avoid/ out heal incoming damage.

It's 20%. one in five. It's also random, there are times when they will dodge nothing.

Dredlord

Waffennacht wrote: »

I just find it funny, real or not, the "links are against the rules," never stopped Everyone before.

And now, we have a conspiracy theory...

Your vague generalization is fail whether you find it funny or not.

Let me try..."hack programs are against the rules" never stopped Everyone before!

Wow that made me feel stupid and you should feel stupid too.

Dakrana_Thrazvoth

Nikkor wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno please please emergency hot fix this.

thank you so much

The only thing I see there is thread stacking about shuffle stacking.

BFT88

Someone post a video showing shuffle working properly. Didn't Think so.

I personally use shuffle and get the following:

dodge, hit, dodge, hit, dodge, hit

I go up against a few select folks who will not be named and ALWAYS get the following:

dodge, dodge, dodge, dodge, dodge, dodge


We aren't imagining the things we claim here.

Wreuntzylla

Waffennacht wrote: »

I just want one person to post a vid of someone dodging 10 times in a row. You can blur out name if you want, even though I don't see how you would be shaming them just to show a high dodge amount.

You don't have to post a vid of you dodging, (but why not?) It's not the same as showing how to exploit. (In fact, by definition, ZoS said there is no exploit, so if you were to post something it would only be that of game mechanics, no?)

ZoS did NOT say there was no exploit. And you know that. Because you are referring to the only relevant post by ZoS on the subject.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Update: We took a look, and didn't see any instance of Shuffle stacking with itself. ...

Please let us know if you're seeing differently; if you have information, we'd appreciate a PM rather than posting it publicly.

Turning to the Book of English for Future Inmates, this can be summarized as, 'we haven't seen it, but it could be real, and if you see it, don't post any evidence to the forums send it to us by private message.'

Basically, you posted that something was said by ZoS that you know wasn't and posted your desire to see at least one person do what you know ZoS has specifically asked people not to do. I wonder why you would do that. Why would you do that?

Abob wrote: »

There is no shuffle exploit.

Explain how you know there is no shuffle exploit. Oh wait, you can't. Even ZoS can't.

Let me improve your 1337 attempts to change the narrative.

joshhh_nb wrote: »

...I don't believe shuffle stack exists...

This is the type of thing people say when they have no way of knowing the truth. Nobody argues something doesn't exist when they can't possibly know that it doesn't exist unless they have skin in the game. Do you have skin in the game Abob? H

@Waffennacht @Abob

Waffennacht

@Wreuntzylla I asked for a video showing ANYTHING like what we are talking about. I'M THE ONLY person to have posted any video even on the subject.

So don't you say that I'm referring to anything other than SHOW SOMETHING.

But no one has. My Point was showing a video of yourself or someone else consecutively dodging moves is Not naming and shaming... it's JUST a video of game play.

Now, the burden of evidence is on those whom claim THAT THEY KNOW there is an exploit. I have seen no such evidence. I feel those whom made the Original claim that There is an exploit should be given just as much scrutiny you have given us for lack of evidence to back these so called claims.

outsideworld76

hairahcas wrote: »

All it boils down to in PvP is whomever has the fastest, least laggy internet connection...

Indeed, no skill required. ZoS could not care less, all they care about is your monthly subsciption fee, that's why I unsubscribed until they fix the lag issue.