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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/668861

SHUFFLE STACK = RUINNING PVP

Nikkor
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@ZOS_GinaBruno please please emergency hot fix this.

thank you so much
  • Master_Kas
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    Still waiting for proof :trollface:
    EU | PC
  • DHale
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    You might as well wait for Santa Claus you would have a better chance. Shuffle is bugged I know it, you know it, most ppl know it but zos already looked at it and commented it's working as intended and see no problems. Move on. It's what give Stam builds a huge advantage over magic builds... So leveling Stam builds. You are only going to frustrate your self. Also quit tagging Gina she does enough and has nothing to do with game play abilities or coding whatsoever.
    Edited by DHale on 8 May 2016 12:42
    Sorcerna, proud beta sorc. RIP April 2014 to May 31 2016 DArk Brotherhood. Out of retirement for negates and encases. Sorcerna will be going back into retirement to be my main crafter Fall 2018. Because an 8 k shield is f ing useless. Died because of baddies on the forum. Too much qq too little pew pew. 16 AD 2 DC. 0 EP cause they bad, CP 2300 plus 18 level 50 toons. NA, PC, Grey Host#SORCLIVESMATTER actually they don’t or they wouldn’t keep getting nerfed constantly.
  • susmitds
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    Nope, shuffle/blur is fine. When it is combined with real dodges every 4 secs, you can keep up a huge dodge chance. Shuffle/Blur alone is not worth much.
  • Serenityx
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    Shuffle stacking is a completely irrelevant problem compared to all the other ones currently in game. I dont even get why people complain about things like this when all you have to do is stack shields on a sorc for literal invincibility.
  • Reevster
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    People complaining just expect you to stand there and not move so they can get their skills off, dodge/shuffle/blur etc are used to avoid this last I looked shrug, the players who "appear" to be able to keep avoiding others skills are good at what they do , shuffle just makes them much better, hence seemly unhitable at times, i think thats the point of dodging, rolling, shuffling...
    Edited by Reevster on 8 May 2016 13:31
  • PurifedBladez
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    Yeah but, it's not broke.
  • Rakkul
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    nerf Shield Stack
    now
    nerf Shuffle Stack.

    What next?
  • Emma_Overload
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    Serenityx wrote: »
    Shuffle stacking is a completely irrelevant problem compared to all the other ones currently in game. I dont even get why people complain about things like this when all you have to do is stack shields on a sorc for literal invincibility.

    WTB "literal invincibility" for my Sorc...
    #CAREBEARMASTERRACE
  • Vaoh
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    Serenityx wrote: »
    Shuffle stacking is a completely irrelevant problem compared to all the other ones currently in game. I dont even get why people complain about things like this when all you have to do is stack shields on a sorc for literal invincibility.

    Wow lol. Literal invincibility huh? I'd love for this to be true. My guess is you got 1vXed... a lot... by Magicka Sorcs...

  • Rakkul
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    Doncellius wrote: »
    Serenityx wrote: »
    Shuffle stacking is a completely irrelevant problem compared to all the other ones currently in game. I dont even get why people complain about things like this when all you have to do is stack shields on a sorc for literal invincibility.

    Wow lol. Literal invincibility huh? I'd love for this to be true. My guess is you got 1vXed... a lot... by Magicka Sorcs...

    Who was apparently stacking Shuffle Shields, or Shield Shuffles, or Shomething elshe.
  • Kupoking
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    Dude... although shuffle is bugged, That shuffle excuse for losing to stams is getting old...

    Im making sure not to abuse it, yet I still get hate tells accusing me of using it.
  • kadar
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    Nikkor wrote: »
    @ZOS_GinaBruno please please emergency hot fix this.

    thank you so much

    @Nikkor
    How do I shuffle stack? I want to know so that I can tell ZOS how to fix it. o:)
  • maxjapank
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    Nikkor wrote: »
    @ZOS_GinaBruno please please emergency hot fix this.

    thank you so much

    @Nikkor
    How do I shuffle stack? I want to know so that I can tell ZOS how to fix it. o:)

    A video has been sent already showing how it's done.
  • kadar
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    maxjapank wrote: »
    Nikkor wrote: »
    @ZOS_GinaBruno please please emergency hot fix this.

    thank you so much

    @Nikkor
    How do I shuffle stack? I want to know so that I can tell ZOS how to fix it. o:)

    A video has been sent already showing how it's done.

    Can you link it pls?
  • brandishsteel
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    maxjapank wrote: »
    Nikkor wrote: »
    @ZOS_GinaBruno please please emergency hot fix this.

    thank you so much

    @Nikkor
    How do I shuffle stack? I want to know so that I can tell ZOS how to fix it. o:)

    A video has been sent already showing how it's done.
    maxjapank wrote: »
    Nikkor wrote: »
    @ZOS_GinaBruno please please emergency hot fix this.

    thank you so much

    @Nikkor
    How do I shuffle stack? I want to know so that I can tell ZOS how to fix it. o:)

    A video has been sent already showing how it's done.

    Can you link it pls?
    ye , link it or it doesn't happen
    Marco Hacker - the best mageblade in the game
  • brandishsteel
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    maxjapank wrote: »
    Nikkor wrote: »
    @ZOS_GinaBruno please please emergency hot fix this.

    thank you so much

    @Nikkor
    How do I shuffle stack? I want to know so that I can tell ZOS how to fix it. o:)

    A video has been sent already showing how it's done.
    maxjapank wrote: »
    Nikkor wrote: »
    @ZOS_GinaBruno please please emergency hot fix this.

    thank you so much

    @Nikkor
    How do I shuffle stack? I want to know so that I can tell ZOS how to fix it. o:)

    A video has been sent already showing how it's done.

    Can you link it pls?
    ye , link it or it doesn't happen

    I am sure that guy won't link video because it doesn't exist, and then post "lol u wanna me link the video so u can learn exploits ?"
    Marco Hacker - the best mageblade in the game
  • maxjapank
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    maxjapank wrote: »
    Nikkor wrote: »
    @ZOS_GinaBruno please please emergency hot fix this.

    thank you so much

    @Nikkor
    How do I shuffle stack? I want to know so that I can tell ZOS how to fix it. o:)

    A video has been sent already showing how it's done.
    maxjapank wrote: »
    Nikkor wrote: »
    @ZOS_GinaBruno please please emergency hot fix this.

    thank you so much

    @Nikkor
    How do I shuffle stack? I want to know so that I can tell ZOS how to fix it. o:)

    A video has been sent already showing how it's done.

    Can you link it pls?
    ye , link it or it doesn't happen

    Rofl. I understand your disbelief. I'd feel the same if it wasn't done and verified by people I trust. But it isn't hard to notice someone doing it in game. If they suddenly run away and everything you throw at them misses, then you may have found someone using the exploit. I'm all for giving rng the benefit of the doubt, too. I won't judge them based on that one experience. But when the same things happens again and again from the same player...and your in-game friends are reporting the same about "said player"...then you begin to see.

    Zos doesn't allow links of exploits, by the way. But I will say this...I enjoy pvp regardless of what others do. My guild and I adapt and do well every patch. And we have fun. Just keep your honesty and enjoy.
    Edited by maxjapank on 9 May 2016 02:16
  • Waffennacht
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    I just find it funny, real or not, the "links are against the rules," never stopped Everyone before.

    And now, we have a conspiracy theory...
    Gamer tag: DasPanzerKat NA Xbox One
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    Battleground PvP'er

    Waffennacht' Builds
  • Stratforge
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    Seriously someone just post a YT vid of it and have done with it. I want video evidence of it stacking otherwise I'm gonna keep shuffling my dang heart out.
    PC NA
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  • Reyals
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    I prefer to stack Elude.
  • Jordaen
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    I'm sorry for all the people that got 1vxd and their excuse is "shuffle stacker". sorry to inform you but its not a thing
    Chıef - VR16 Stamina Dragonknight - DC
    Chiëf - VR16 Stamina Dragonknight - AD

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  • Yoyuyi999
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    Jordaen wrote: »
    I'm sorry for all the people that got 1vxd and their excuse is "shuffle stacker". sorry to inform you but its not a thing

    didnt i 1vx you
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  • Jordaen
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    Yoyuyi999 wrote: »
    Jordaen wrote: »
    I'm sorry for all the people that got 1vxd and their excuse is "shuffle stacker". sorry to inform you but its not a thing

    didnt i 1vx you

    Who are you?
    Edited by Jordaen on 9 May 2016 05:11
    Chıef - VR16 Stamina Dragonknight - DC
    Chiëf - VR16 Stamina Dragonknight - AD

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  • mcurley
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    "Shuffle stacking" might not actually be what is happening, but if you guys can't at least admit that the RNG is often quite a bit off for this spell... you are in denial.
    For the Covenant!
    Svvord - magicka NB
    Lavv - magicka DK
    Povver - stamina NB
    Psylint - stamina NB
    Yelruc - magicka Sorc
  • boundsy88
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    i just dont understand shuffle, the only reason i believe there is a possible exploit is because how poorly it performs for me. i literally NEVER see it save me from a heavy hitter like c-frag, wrecking blow or surprise attack. if it didnt have snare removal i probably wouldnt even bother slotting it
  • myrrrorb14_ESO
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    Wow. I am truly impressed by how fast someone jumped to nerf sorcs!
  • ILLESTGLIDER
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    So many posts about this yet nobody has EVER linked or posted a video. You don't have to post a video of how to exploit. You just post a video of someone who is displaying a statistically significant number of dodges showing it is stacking.
  • visionality
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    Rofl - so much ado about nothing! There is no shuffle stacking. Just activate the abilitiy and try to stack - it doesn't, it just renews. If you can't hit dodgy nightblades (like me, ;-)) accuse clever gameplay and lag.

    And if anybody complains that some players cast shuffle and then dodge, too - well, that's the name of the game if you're neither a shield-casting sorc nor a heavy-armor tank, isn't it?

    PS: Anybody who claims that shuffle-stacking exists: post a video. Until then it does not.
    (And "I know ppl who I really trust and they tell me shuffle stacks" is NOT a video)
  • JubJub
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    Shuffle may not be bugged but it's still annoying as hell seeing "dodge" pop up every other hit, I end up just walking away.
  • kadar
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    maxjapank wrote: »
    maxjapank wrote: »
    Nikkor wrote: »
    @ZOS_GinaBruno please please emergency hot fix this.

    thank you so much

    @Nikkor
    How do I shuffle stack? I want to know so that I can tell ZOS how to fix it. o:)

    A video has been sent already showing how it's done.
    maxjapank wrote: »
    Nikkor wrote: »
    @ZOS_GinaBruno please please emergency hot fix this.

    thank you so much

    @Nikkor
    How do I shuffle stack? I want to know so that I can tell ZOS how to fix it. o:)

    A video has been sent already showing how it's done.

    Can you link it pls?
    ye , link it or it doesn't happen

    Rofl. I understand your disbelief. I'd feel the same if it wasn't done and verified by people I trust. But it isn't hard to notice someone doing it in game. If they suddenly run away and everything you throw at them misses, then you may have found someone using the exploit. I'm all for giving rng the benefit of the doubt, too. I won't judge them based on that one experience. But when the same things happens again and again from the same player...and your in-game friends are reporting the same about "said player"...then you begin to see.

    Zos doesn't allow links of exploits, by the way. But I will say this...I enjoy pvp regardless of what others do. My guild and I adapt and do well every patch. And we have fun. Just keep your honesty and enjoy.

    The bold part. Is why I don't believe. lol.
    Do you realize how hard it is to hit certain players (myself, I think, included) with projectiles? When moving about the field of battle, attacking or defending, I'm constantly cycling a rotation of Shuffle/Roll/Cloak/Roll/Vigor/Rally/Repeat. Even if something does land, my health doesn't drop because of the health ticks. If you watch these "individuals" who are supposedly exploiting, they do something very similar at all times. The play style is like the antithesis of projectile damage.

    And IF said players ARE achieving this legendary "90%" dodge chance, they would be truly unkillable. Fact is: they are not. All it takes is a well timed gap closer, some hard CC, and some AOE damage.

    EDIT: PS, where is video? o:)
    Edited by kadar on 9 May 2016 16:50
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