One shots

joe.smith21b14_ESO

Alferino wrote: »

joe.smith21b14_ESO wrote: »

Alferino wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Alferino wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

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My dk has a gank build and an open world pvp build. My gank build has 4.5k weapon damage, 41k stamina and around 16k health unbuffed with 800 stam regen lol. This build is designed for one and only purpose. Drink.... Vamp.... Tears.... Especially those 7/7 light armor, I'm gona stack 64 points into magicka, and use all divines vamps. With or without rml if I see ur vamp and ur running a build such as above; I have news for you. You're literally a walking ap bag served up on a golden platter. Hell I don't even see your character nameplate. All I see is "ap come get some". I will find you and pop your cherry. Becoz my build is designed to eat your build alive. So no.

Bear in mind the trade off I am making is that my gank build relies on not being seen too. If any half decent player catches me not in stealth I'm dead. Cos 800 stam regen and 20k hp in cyro.

You as a vamp get awesome batswarm and stealth move speed. The trade off you make is that ur running a full Dps build just like me but you want to be able to strut around cyro picking daisies and going lalalala and want no one to kill you. Nope.
Not gona happen.

Take my legit open world build for example. 5 heavy 1 medium 1 light. 28k buffed hp. 5 pieces impen the rest in divines. 2200 stam regen with engin Guardian + 400 cp. You think a ganker can dream of killing me? Maybe if he has 2 buddies who all combo wombo cc me to death. Other than that, nbs don't even bother getting near me cos they take one look at my armor and health total and run the other way.

In short, don't roll a 7/7 light armor vamp with no rml and 40k magicka. This is a ganking set up. Ever seen a vamp magblade cloak in with proxy det armed with a lotus fan into batswarm opening? They are capable of wiping entire zergs with 2-5 players doing this. You either do this, or stop trying to play a gank set up in open world pvp with no care or regard for positioning.

i dont run light, i run 7 med
im not talking about people running them builds, im taking about this ability being broken nomatter what build your running

Wait what? 7 medium. Vamp? Why? Nevermind lol. Again the only reason I'd have a stamina toon with vamp is if I'm going to pop into a Zerg with friends and hit batswarm with steel nado. There is literally no other use to run a vamp toon in stamina and 7 medium. Please say that at least your a stamina build. Please?

Also from your death recap if it's not bugged u took a total of around 20k damage. Buffed. In Cyro. Bad idea to run this Low of an Hp total even if you're not a vamp.

Please, read all the comments before you make one yourself
i did state i am a stam build... clearly didnt read everything, i use vamp on a stam build for the simple fact that invisi bats is great, and mist is nice mobility for a stamina templar, also.. 24k health is not super low like your making it out to be...
and then to add onto everything your saying, if you looked at all the screenshots, there is a Camo hunter, ability, camo hunter death recap, from 1 guy, that didnt even equal up to 20k....

Alferino wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Alferino wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

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My dk has a gank build and an open world pvp build. My gank build has 4.5k weapon damage, 41k stamina and around 16k health unbuffed with 800 stam regen lol. This build is designed for one and only purpose. Drink.... Vamp.... Tears.... Especially those 7/7 light armor, I'm gona stack 64 points into magicka, and use all divines vamps. With or without rml if I see ur vamp and ur running a build such as above; I have news for you. You're literally a walking ap bag served up on a golden platter. Hell I don't even see your character nameplate. All I see is "ap come get some". I will find you and pop your cherry. Becoz my build is designed to eat your build alive. So no.

Bear in mind the trade off I am making is that my gank build relies on not being seen too. If any half decent player catches me not in stealth I'm dead. Cos 800 stam regen and 20k hp in cyro.

You as a vamp get awesome batswarm and stealth move speed. The trade off you make is that ur running a full Dps build just like me but you want to be able to strut around cyro picking daisies and going lalalala and want no one to kill you. Nope.
Not gona happen.

Take my legit open world build for example. 5 heavy 1 medium 1 light. 28k buffed hp. 5 pieces impen the rest in divines. 2200 stam regen with engin Guardian + 400 cp. You think a ganker can dream of killing me? Maybe if he has 2 buddies who all combo wombo cc me to death. Other than that, nbs don't even bother getting near me cos they take one look at my armor and health total and run the other way.

In short, don't roll a 7/7 light armor vamp with no rml and 40k magicka. This is a ganking set up. Ever seen a vamp magblade cloak in with proxy det armed with a lotus fan into batswarm opening? They are capable of wiping entire zergs with 2-5 players doing this. You either do this, or stop trying to play a gank set up in open world pvp with no care or regard for positioning.

i dont run light, i run 7 med
im not talking about people running them builds, im taking about this ability being broken nomatter what build your running

Wait what? 7 medium. Vamp? Why? Nevermind lol. Again the only reason I'd have a stamina toon with vamp is if I'm going to pop into a Zerg with friends and hit batswarm with steel nado. There is literally no other use to run a vamp toon in stamina and 7 medium. Please say that at least your a stamina build. Please?

Also from your death recap if it's not bugged u took a total of around 20k damage. Buffed. In Cyro. Bad idea to run this Low of an Hp total even if you're not a vamp.

Please, read all the comments before you make one yourself
i did state i am a stam build... clearly didnt read everything, i use vamp on a stam build for the simple fact that invisi bats is great, and mist is nice mobility for a stamina templar, also.. 24k health is not super low like your making it out to be...
and then to add onto everything your saying, if you looked at all the screenshots, there is a Camo hunter, ability, camo hunter death recap, from 1 guy, that didnt even equal up to 20k....

Alferino you don't need vamp bud. It if you keep rocking it I'll keep one shoting you. Just rock werewolf bud but I guess either way your dying to my hammer. Just saying.
-Smiff

Alrighty mr pro

So salty it'll be ok maybe when you get a little better you can step up ask Kodi for help he's a salty individual to

Akinos

Angus wrote: »

Therium104 wrote: »

Lol. One shots are just poor game design. ESO needs to do some serious class balancing.

You must really hate FPSs. Plenty of games and people seem to consider one-shot penalties for screwing up acceptable.

Most of the good FPS games don't allow 1 shots. The only ones that really still do that are Counter-Strike and the new Rainbow Six. 2 games out of pretty much every decent FPS that's come out in the last few years to allow 1 shot kills..aside from headshots with certain weapons.

Angus

Akinos wrote: »

Angus wrote: »

Therium104 wrote: »

Lol. One shots are just poor game design. ESO needs to do some serious class balancing.

You must really hate FPSs. Plenty of games and people seem to consider one-shot penalties for screwing up acceptable.

Most of the good FPS games don't allow 1 shots. The only ones that really still do that are Counter-Strike and the new Rainbow Six. 2 games out of pretty much every decent FPS that's come out in the last few years to allow 1 shot kills..aside from headshots with certain weapons.

I gues I'm less familiar with the FPSs you've played; most of my FPS experience was in ARMA/DayZ/APB/Battlefield/CoD/ARK type games. Not saying you're wrong, just have had a different experience.

One-shots aren't exclusive to ESO either, there's plenty of combos and counters in other MMOs that will sit you down before you can react, should you allow yourself to be vulnerable.

Did they have one-shots with every weapon? No (usually).

Did they have one-shots with a setup tailored to one-shot (and major survivability tradeoffs)? Absolutely.

Regardless, it's really a moot point as it relates to ESO... I was just trying to illustrate that one-shot burst builds do exist in other popular, fun games.

Nobody's given a compelling reason that they shouldn't exist in this game, except that people on the receiving end don't like them - again, I'm not a one-shotter, so technically I also benefit from a nerf to this.

Either way, it is what is. I personally have fun knowing someone might be lurking out there, ready to annihilate me if I let my guard down.

Imdrefan

Angus wrote: »

Akinos wrote: »

Angus wrote: »

Therium104 wrote: »

Lol. One shots are just poor game design. ESO needs to do some serious class balancing.

You must really hate FPSs. Plenty of games and people seem to consider one-shot penalties for screwing up acceptable.

Most of the good FPS games don't allow 1 shots. The only ones that really still do that are Counter-Strike and the new Rainbow Six. 2 games out of pretty much every decent FPS that's come out in the last few years to allow 1 shot kills..aside from headshots with certain weapons.

I gues I'm less familiar with the FPS's you've played; most of my FPS experience was in ARMA/DayZ/APB/Battlefield/COD/ARK type games. Not saying you're wrong, just have had a different experience.

One-shots with every weapon? No.

One-shots with a setup tailored to one-shot (and major survivability tradeoffs)? Absolutely.

Regardless, it's really a moot point in regards to ESO... I was just trying to illustrate that one-shot burst builds do exist in other popular, fun games.

I still don't understand defending broken mechanics being called fair gameplay.

Akinos

Angus wrote: »

Akinos wrote: »

Angus wrote: »

Therium104 wrote: »

Lol. One shots are just poor game design. ESO needs to do some serious class balancing.

You must really hate FPSs. Plenty of games and people seem to consider one-shot penalties for screwing up acceptable.

Most of the good FPS games don't allow 1 shots. The only ones that really still do that are Counter-Strike and the new Rainbow Six. 2 games out of pretty much every decent FPS that's come out in the last few years to allow 1 shot kills..aside from headshots with certain weapons.

I gues I'm less familiar with the FPSs you've played; most of my FPS experience was in ARMA/DayZ/APB/Battlefield/CoD/ARK type games. Not saying you're wrong, just have had a different experience.

One-shots aren't exclusive to ESO either, there's plenty of combos and counters in other MMOs that will sit you down before you can react.

One-shots with every weapon? No.

One-shots with a setup tailored to one-shot (and major survivability tradeoffs)? Absolutely.

Regardless, it's really a moot point as it relates to ESO... I was just trying to illustrate that one-shot burst builds do exist in other popular, fun games.

Nobody's given a compelling reason that they shouldn't exist in this game, except that people on the receiving end don't like them - again, I'm not a one-shotter, so technically I also benefit from a nerf to this.

Either way, it is what is - but I do have fun knowing someone might be lurking out there, ready to annihilate me if I let my guard down.

I haven't played the other games you mentioned but APB and Battlefield don't allow 1 shots. And I know there are other games/mmo's where one shots can happen. I also know that most, if any of those games allow 1 shots to the extent that ESO does. It usually takes ALOT of grinding levels and gear to be able to just insta end somebody in other games.
But in ESO it seems like any random player can roll a stam nightblade/dk and be able to 1 shot people with very little effort, time or even thought put in.

But like Drefan said...I also don't get why you would constantly defend an obviously broken and unfair game mechanic.

Angus

Imdrefan wrote: »

I still don't understand defending broken mechanics being called fair gameplay.

I don't understand your use of the word broken, unless you're referring to the camo hunter double-proc, which is indeed broken (but easy to counter - don't be a vamp if you can't take it).

Imdrefan

Angus wrote: »

Imdrefan wrote: »

I still don't understand defending broken mechanics being called fair gameplay.

I don't understand your use of the word broken, unless you're referring to the camo hunter double-proc, which is indeed broken (but easy to counter - don't be a vamp if you can't take it).

Where have you been? That's what this entire thread is about.

It's not about being able to "take it" it's about a broken mechanic not working properly.

And I shouldn't have to give up vamp because something is not working as intended.

I get plenty of dawn breakers to the face and I don't complain, that's the price of being a vamp. But this double proc needs to be fixed.

GreenSoup2HoT

@Imdrefan

no this thread is not about camo multi proc's.

op got gankd by 2 vamp hunters using camo. there were no double proc's in the death recap.

the double proc has been fixed.

op qq's about being "1 shot" but he got hit by 4 abilitys. the death recap for the 2nd player is bugged.

Imdrefan

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

@Imdrefan

no this thread is not about camo multi proc's.

op got gankd by 2 vamp hunters using camo. there were no double proc's in the death recap.

the double proc has been fixed.

No it hasn't.

imredneckson

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

@Imdrefan

no this thread is not about camo multi proc's.

op got gankd by 2 vamp hunters using camo. there were no double proc's in the death recap.

the double proc has been fixed.

op qq's about being "1 shot" but he got hit by 4 abilitys. the death recap for the 2nd player is bugged.

Its been fixed with Dual wield it hasn't been fixed on bows yet

Angus

Imdrefan wrote: »

Where have you been? That's what this entire thread is about.

See thread title: "One shots".

I was under the impression the camo hunter discussion resolved a few pages ago, and that you were calling one-shots/burst "broken".

Angus

Imdrefan wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

@Imdrefan

no this thread is not about camo multi proc's.

op got gankd by 2 vamp hunters using camo. there were no double proc's in the death recap.

the double proc has been fixed.

No it hasn't.

Seems that it has (haven't personally tested): http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/de/discussion/240716/camo-hunter-not-fixed

Alferino

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

@Imdrefan

no this thread is not about camo multi proc's.

op got gankd by 2 vamp hunters using camo. there were no double proc's in the death recap.

the double proc has been fixed.

op qq's about being "1 shot" but he got hit by 4 abilitys. the death recap for the 2nd player is bugged.

if you look at all the screenshots ive posted, "op" is just sick of all the broken bugs and 1shots with camo hunter

leepalmer95

A vamp or not no one should be able to be 1 shot from stealth no matter how many ability you can get the stealth boost from.

Sure give them an advantage but 1 shot is just bad game mechanics. Wasn't this the reason why they reduced dmg in pvp?

Vangy

Wow some people here just don't get it lol.

One shots are only possible on vamps that meet these "requirements"

1. 0 heavy
2. Under 25 k health
3. No shields up
4. 0 impen traits
5. Not enough cp in hardy/crit resist
6. Don't slot rml

If ur a vamp who make sure u don't do at least 2 of the things above, one shots should be very rare.

Instead we have people who Wah Wah I want to wear 7 pieces in light or medium divines/infused, put 64 points into stam/magicka, not slot rml, not have shields up, play a full Dps build and not get one shot Wah Wah.

Guess what. You will get one shot and I will drink ur tears until you cure vamp or learn to modify your build.

Edit: also news flash: if you aren't a vamp and don't take said precautions you will also get one shot. The difference being ur death recap will read x2 snipe instead of x2 camo proc.

Akinos

Vangy wrote: »

Wow some people here just don't get it lol.

One shots are only possible on vamps that meet these "requirements"

1. 0 heavy
2. Under 25 k health
3. No shields up
4. 0 impen traits
5. Not enough cp in hardy/crit resist
6. Don't slot rml

If ur a vamp who make sure u don't do at least 2 of the things above, one shots should be very rare.

Instead we have people who Wah Wah I want to wear 7 pieces in light or medium divines/infused, put 64 points into stam/magicka, not slot rml, not have shields up, play a full Dps build and not get one shot Wah Wah.

Guess what. You will get one shot and I will drink ur tears until you cure vamp or learn to modify your build.

Edit: also news flash: if you aren't a vamp and don't take said precautions you will also get one shot. The difference being ur death recap will read x2 snipe instead of x2 camo proc.

We got ourselves another 1 shot kid that didn't read the whole thread. Multiple people have already stated, including myself that people with 25k+ hp, 2k impen, 25% resistance, 1 heavy or 5 heavy with shields are still getting 1 shot. Being forced to run radiant magelight on both bars to counter a completely busted skill thats not working as intended is bullsh*t and everybody knows it.

Here's an example of this nonsense:

In this screenshot I had just respawned from being insta killed by a stealthed stam dk who did 31k damage to me which is overkill considering I had 29.3k hp. Keep in mind this is through 25% into crit resistance CP and 1750 Impen and about 12-20k physical resist, depening on channeled focus being active or not.

Also, you guys know that bug where you can't basic attack or block after you die? Yeah, that bug is associated with how fast you die, it has something to do with how much damage you take just before death, whether you get zerged and die instantly or if you get 1 shot by a single player. Not sure if that's the exact cause but i have to reload ui any time I get zerged and die instantly or i get 1 shot. Vamp or not. And I'm not the only player that has experienced this bug. It doesn't seem to happen when I get whittled down slowly either. Only insta gibs.

Not only is killing somebody in one shot unbalanced, it's also gamebreaking, literally.

MormondPayne_EP

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

@Alferino

Uhh, i dont know how you like to play, by myself and im quite sure MANY others dont wanna run around in stealth all the time, by you saying your a nightblade you clearly use these types of cheese builds to gank hence why your defending them xD

You realize i play a vampire right.....

Vampire's are the one class that your suppose to run in stealth all the time. If you don't, you should be using Radiant Mage Light.... no question about it to prevent these camouflage hunter death's.

I'm a nightblade so i use cheese build's? I'm the one player in this game who use's the sentry set and still use's the old 5 piece shadow-walker. I'm far from one of those cheese build's....

Ganking is a part of the game. This game isn't built around 1v1's and 1vX's. There's are ton's of way's to play this game... a role playing game. I'm the villain in this game who will cut you down when your weak. Nightblade's are the scum of pvp. I don't build to do anything else but that because i role play as this kind of player.

I'm defending this kind of play style? (one shot's) I literally just wrote a long comment on how to prevent this from happening and you refuse to acknowledge the information and complain more about being one shot....


I tried to help you. This is a part of the game. Camouflage Hunter is something vampire's need to deal with. There are plenty of people who build for this kind of play-style. It's your choice if you wanna use the counter's to these people... but i don't wanna hear complaining on the forum's because you died while not using the counter's to prevent this.

Getting hit by 2 people with camouflage hunter (after it's been fixed) is the only way to one shot a player this fast. Completely avoidable with one counter ability (RML).


Just cure your Vampirism, it seem's you don't got what it take's to be a Vampire. You make Vampire's look weak with all your crying.



The one thing i will accept as QQ from you is about Camouflage Hunter Proc'ing multiple time's. It has been confirmed to be fixed but rumor's on the forum's say it still is Proc'ing multiple time's. However in your situation you were hit by two separate player's and they only single proc'd the ability which is working as intended. RML is your sole counter end of story for these kind of situation's. There are player's who could use wrecking blow or snipe or any other combo for that matter and obtain the same result's. Your just another player who complain's they died but refuses to change their build to prevent this...smh GG.

Since when is RML a counter to Camo hunter? Camo hunter still proc's 100% of the time out of stealth even if the target has RML on. It may reduce stealth damage somewhat but it's not going to do anything about the 100% proc of camo hunter on undead.

I assume you are using a ranged attack yes? Well in that case all it will do is reduce stealth damage.

Vangy

Akinos wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Wow some people here just don't get it lol.

One shots are only possible on vamps that meet these "requirements"

1. 0 heavy
2. Under 25 k health
3. No shields up
4. 0 impen traits
5. Not enough cp in hardy/crit resist
6. Don't slot rml

If ur a vamp who make sure u don't do at least 2 of the things above, one shots should be very rare.

Instead we have people who Wah Wah I want to wear 7 pieces in light or medium divines/infused, put 64 points into stam/magicka, not slot rml, not have shields up, play a full Dps build and not get one shot Wah Wah.

Guess what. You will get one shot and I will drink ur tears until you cure vamp or learn to modify your build.

Edit: also news flash: if you aren't a vamp and don't take said precautions you will also get one shot. The difference being ur death recap will read x2 snipe instead of x2 camo proc.

We got ourselves another 1 shot kid that didn't read the whole thread. Multiple people have already stated, including myself that people with 25k+ hp, 2k impen, 25% resistance, 1 heavy or 5 heavy with shields are still getting 1 shot. Being forced to run radiant magelight on both bars to counter a completely busted skill thats not working as intended is bullsh*t and everybody knows it.

Here's an example of this nonsense:

In this screenshot I had just respawned from being insta killed by a stealthed stam dk who did 31k damage to me which is overkill considering I had 29.3k hp. Keep in mind this is through 25% into crit resistance CP and 1750 Impen and about 12-20k physical resist, depening on channeled focus being active or not.

Also, you guys know that bug where you can't basic attack or block after you die? Yeah, that bug is associated with how fast you die, it has something to do with how much damage you take just before death, whether you get zerged and die instantly or if you get 1 shot by a single player. Not sure if that's the exact cause but i have to reload ui any time I get zerged and die instantly or i get 1 shot. Vamp or not. And I'm not the only player that has experienced this bug. It doesn't seem to happen when I get whittled down slowly either. Only insta gibs.

Not only is killing somebody in one shot unbalanced, it's also gamebreaking, literally.

And here folks we have a prime example of a Wah Wah kid who cries but has no clue what is happening!

Here let me help u. Out of the 31k damage u took;
Only 7.2 k came from camo hunter.

Wanna take a Guess at what killed you? Let me break it down for u.

Dk in stealth. Take one second to cast rally. Take one second to cast molten armaments. Spend 2 seconds charging heavy Attack. Animation cancel heavy Attack with silver shards. This did 23k+ damage to you and it should.

Why?

while someone spent around 5 seconds charging and buffing a full Wombo combo, u were sitting around pickin daisies. This is pvp. Keep moving. Or u will die.

Also this just points out nothing is wrong with camo hunter. All the player had to do was follow up that combo with another silver shards animation canceled with block and you'd be dead even with no camo hunter. If you want stealth damage looked into sure I can agree with that. But 80% of this thread is nerf camo hunter so naturally I tended to defend poor camo hunter which already has been nerfed.

ALSO, said player got really luck and scored 3 crits on u. Normally this wouldn't happen unless someone is running an insane mega crit build. And in a game where frags/Wb/snipes hit for 12-16k when player healths are in the range of 18-25k.... I don't see how it is mathematically not possible to 1-2 shot someone....

Alferino

Vangy wrote: »

Wow some people here just don't get it lol.

One shots are only possible on vamps that meet these "requirements"

1. 0 heavy
2. Under 25 k health
3. No shields up
4. 0 impen traits
5. Not enough cp in hardy/crit resist
6. Don't slot rml

If ur a vamp who make sure u don't do at least 2 of the things above, one shots should be very rare.

Instead we have people who Wah Wah I want to wear 7 pieces in light or medium divines/infused, put 64 points into stam/magicka, not slot rml, not have shields up, play a full Dps build and not get one shot Wah Wah.

Guess what. You will get one shot and I will drink ur tears until you cure vamp or learn to modify your build.

Edit: also news flash: if you aren't a vamp and don't take said precautions you will also get one shot. The difference being ur death recap will read x2 snipe instead of x2 camo proc.

Your all so very wrong, the build i was running (changed it last night) was 6 pieces inpen and 30 in both CP tree's...

Alferino

Vangy wrote: »

Akinos wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Wow some people here just don't get it lol.

One shots are only possible on vamps that meet these "requirements"

1. 0 heavy
2. Under 25 k health
3. No shields up
4. 0 impen traits
5. Not enough cp in hardy/crit resist
6. Don't slot rml

If ur a vamp who make sure u don't do at least 2 of the things above, one shots should be very rare.

Instead we have people who Wah Wah I want to wear 7 pieces in light or medium divines/infused, put 64 points into stam/magicka, not slot rml, not have shields up, play a full Dps build and not get one shot Wah Wah.

Guess what. You will get one shot and I will drink ur tears until you cure vamp or learn to modify your build.

Edit: also news flash: if you aren't a vamp and don't take said precautions you will also get one shot. The difference being ur death recap will read x2 snipe instead of x2 camo proc.

We got ourselves another 1 shot kid that didn't read the whole thread. Multiple people have already stated, including myself that people with 25k+ hp, 2k impen, 25% resistance, 1 heavy or 5 heavy with shields are still getting 1 shot. Being forced to run radiant magelight on both bars to counter a completely busted skill thats not working as intended is bullsh*t and everybody knows it.

Here's an example of this nonsense:

In this screenshot I had just respawned from being insta killed by a stealthed stam dk who did 31k damage to me which is overkill considering I had 29.3k hp. Keep in mind this is through 25% into crit resistance CP and 1750 Impen and about 12-20k physical resist, depening on channeled focus being active or not.

Also, you guys know that bug where you can't basic attack or block after you die? Yeah, that bug is associated with how fast you die, it has something to do with how much damage you take just before death, whether you get zerged and die instantly or if you get 1 shot by a single player. Not sure if that's the exact cause but i have to reload ui any time I get zerged and die instantly or i get 1 shot. Vamp or not. And I'm not the only player that has experienced this bug. It doesn't seem to happen when I get whittled down slowly either. Only insta gibs.

Not only is killing somebody in one shot unbalanced, it's also gamebreaking, literally.

And here folks we have a prime example of a Wah Wah kid who cries but has no clue what is happening!

Here let me help u. Out of the 31k damage u took;
Only 7.2 k came from camo hunter.

Wanna take a Guess at what killed you? Let me break it down for u.

Dk in stealth. Take one second to cast rally. Take one second to cast molten armaments. Spend 2 seconds charging heavy Attack. Animation cancel heavy Attack with silver shards. This did 23k+ damage to you and it should.

Why?

while someone spent around 5 seconds charging and buffing a full Wombo combo, u were sitting around pickin daisies. This is pvp. Keep moving. Or u will die.

Also this just points out nothing is wrong with camo hunter. All the player had to do was follow up that combo with another silver shards animation canceled with block and you'd be dead even with no camo hunter. If you want stealth damage looked into sure I can agree with that. But 80% of this thread is nerf camo hunter so naturally I tended to defend poor camo hunter which already has been nerfed.

ALSO, said player got really luck and scored 3 crits on u. Normally this wouldn't happen unless someone is running an insane mega crit build. And in a game where frags/Wb/snipes hit for 12-16k when player healths are in the range of 18-25k.... I don't see how it is mathematically not possible to 1-2 shot someone....

Oh, btw, no matter how much your moving the attack will follow you.. people can walk in stealth and charge these attacks too you know.. so your point isnt valid at all

Vangy

Alferino wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Akinos wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Wow some people here just don't get it lol.

One shots are only possible on vamps that meet these "requirements"

1. 0 heavy
2. Under 25 k health
3. No shields up
4. 0 impen traits
5. Not enough cp in hardy/crit resist
6. Don't slot rml

If ur a vamp who make sure u don't do at least 2 of the things above, one shots should be very rare.

Instead we have people who Wah Wah I want to wear 7 pieces in light or medium divines/infused, put 64 points into stam/magicka, not slot rml, not have shields up, play a full Dps build and not get one shot Wah Wah.

Guess what. You will get one shot and I will drink ur tears until you cure vamp or learn to modify your build.

Edit: also news flash: if you aren't a vamp and don't take said precautions you will also get one shot. The difference being ur death recap will read x2 snipe instead of x2 camo proc.

We got ourselves another 1 shot kid that didn't read the whole thread. Multiple people have already stated, including myself that people with 25k+ hp, 2k impen, 25% resistance, 1 heavy or 5 heavy with shields are still getting 1 shot. Being forced to run radiant magelight on both bars to counter a completely busted skill thats not working as intended is bullsh*t and everybody knows it.

Here's an example of this nonsense:

In this screenshot I had just respawned from being insta killed by a stealthed stam dk who did 31k damage to me which is overkill considering I had 29.3k hp. Keep in mind this is through 25% into crit resistance CP and 1750 Impen and about 12-20k physical resist, depening on channeled focus being active or not.

Also, you guys know that bug where you can't basic attack or block after you die? Yeah, that bug is associated with how fast you die, it has something to do with how much damage you take just before death, whether you get zerged and die instantly or if you get 1 shot by a single player. Not sure if that's the exact cause but i have to reload ui any time I get zerged and die instantly or i get 1 shot. Vamp or not. And I'm not the only player that has experienced this bug. It doesn't seem to happen when I get whittled down slowly either. Only insta gibs.

Not only is killing somebody in one shot unbalanced, it's also gamebreaking, literally.

And here folks we have a prime example of a Wah Wah kid who cries but has no clue what is happening!

Here let me help u. Out of the 31k damage u took;
Only 7.2 k came from camo hunter.

Wanna take a Guess at what killed you? Let me break it down for u.

Dk in stealth. Take one second to cast rally. Take one second to cast molten armaments. Spend 2 seconds charging heavy Attack. Animation cancel heavy Attack with silver shards. This did 23k+ damage to you and it should.

Why?

while someone spent around 5 seconds charging and buffing a full Wombo combo, u were sitting around pickin daisies. This is pvp. Keep moving. Or u will die.

Also this just points out nothing is wrong with camo hunter. All the player had to do was follow up that combo with another silver shards animation canceled with block and you'd be dead even with no camo hunter. If you want stealth damage looked into sure I can agree with that. But 80% of this thread is nerf camo hunter so naturally I tended to defend poor camo hunter which already has been nerfed.

ALSO, said player got really luck and scored 3 crits on u. Normally this wouldn't happen unless someone is running an insane mega crit build. And in a game where frags/Wb/snipes hit for 12-16k when player healths are in the range of 18-25k.... I don't see how it is mathematically not possible to 1-2 shot someone....

Oh, btw, no matter how much your moving the attack will follow you.. people can walk in stealth and charge these attacks too you know.. so your point isnt valid at all

1. Not camo hunter killing u. It's stealth combined with animation cancelling
2. Range.
3. Walk speed vs stealth speed

Until animation cancelling or softcaps are addressed people are always going to find New ways to instagib u. It could be fossilzie>Wb>leap, proxy det>shards, proxy det>lotus fan>ult or snipe>snipe or whatever. Especially when animation cancelling makes it possible to land multiple things at the same time. So don't expect to see this change anytime soon cos ur asking for a nerf to everything.That's all I can say.

Alferino

Vangy wrote: »

Alferino wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Akinos wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Wow some people here just don't get it lol.

One shots are only possible on vamps that meet these "requirements"

1. 0 heavy
2. Under 25 k health
3. No shields up
4. 0 impen traits
5. Not enough cp in hardy/crit resist
6. Don't slot rml

If ur a vamp who make sure u don't do at least 2 of the things above, one shots should be very rare.

Instead we have people who Wah Wah I want to wear 7 pieces in light or medium divines/infused, put 64 points into stam/magicka, not slot rml, not have shields up, play a full Dps build and not get one shot Wah Wah.

Guess what. You will get one shot and I will drink ur tears until you cure vamp or learn to modify your build.

Edit: also news flash: if you aren't a vamp and don't take said precautions you will also get one shot. The difference being ur death recap will read x2 snipe instead of x2 camo proc.

We got ourselves another 1 shot kid that didn't read the whole thread. Multiple people have already stated, including myself that people with 25k+ hp, 2k impen, 25% resistance, 1 heavy or 5 heavy with shields are still getting 1 shot. Being forced to run radiant magelight on both bars to counter a completely busted skill thats not working as intended is bullsh*t and everybody knows it.

Here's an example of this nonsense:

In this screenshot I had just respawned from being insta killed by a stealthed stam dk who did 31k damage to me which is overkill considering I had 29.3k hp. Keep in mind this is through 25% into crit resistance CP and 1750 Impen and about 12-20k physical resist, depening on channeled focus being active or not.

Also, you guys know that bug where you can't basic attack or block after you die? Yeah, that bug is associated with how fast you die, it has something to do with how much damage you take just before death, whether you get zerged and die instantly or if you get 1 shot by a single player. Not sure if that's the exact cause but i have to reload ui any time I get zerged and die instantly or i get 1 shot. Vamp or not. And I'm not the only player that has experienced this bug. It doesn't seem to happen when I get whittled down slowly either. Only insta gibs.

Not only is killing somebody in one shot unbalanced, it's also gamebreaking, literally.

And here folks we have a prime example of a Wah Wah kid who cries but has no clue what is happening!

Here let me help u. Out of the 31k damage u took;
Only 7.2 k came from camo hunter.

Wanna take a Guess at what killed you? Let me break it down for u.

Dk in stealth. Take one second to cast rally. Take one second to cast molten armaments. Spend 2 seconds charging heavy Attack. Animation cancel heavy Attack with silver shards. This did 23k+ damage to you and it should.

Why?

while someone spent around 5 seconds charging and buffing a full Wombo combo, u were sitting around pickin daisies. This is pvp. Keep moving. Or u will die.

Also this just points out nothing is wrong with camo hunter. All the player had to do was follow up that combo with another silver shards animation canceled with block and you'd be dead even with no camo hunter. If you want stealth damage looked into sure I can agree with that. But 80% of this thread is nerf camo hunter so naturally I tended to defend poor camo hunter which already has been nerfed.

ALSO, said player got really luck and scored 3 crits on u. Normally this wouldn't happen unless someone is running an insane mega crit build. And in a game where frags/Wb/snipes hit for 12-16k when player healths are in the range of 18-25k.... I don't see how it is mathematically not possible to 1-2 shot someone....

Oh, btw, no matter how much your moving the attack will follow you.. people can walk in stealth and charge these attacks too you know.. so your point isnt valid at all

1. Not camo hunter killing u. It's stealth combined with animation cancelling
2. Range.
3. Walk speed vs stealth speed

Until animation cancelling or softcaps are addressed people are always going to find New ways to instagib u. It could be fossilzie>Wb>leap, proxy det>shards, proxy det>lotus fan>ult or snipe>snipe or whatever. Especially when animation cancelling makes it possible to land multiple things at the same time. So don't expect to see this change anytime soon cos ur asking for a nerf to everything.That's all I can say.

We arent talking about combo's we are talking about 1 ability buffed killing vamps

Vangy

Again no one buffed ability kills vamps. It's a combination of them landing on u at the same time. That is the real problem. Ie for example : snipe + a 2nd snipe with camo hunter procs all landing on the same time. The true culprit is AC and to an extent lag.

Alferino

Vangy wrote: »

Again no one buffed ability kills vamps. It's a combination of them landing on u at the same time. That is the real problem. Ie for example : snipe + a 2nd snipe with camo hunter procs all landing on the same time. The true culprit is AC and to an extent lag.

I showed screenshots that clearly proves 1 ability was shot, and camo hunter (a buff) plus that skill, killed me
no animation canning, nothing..

Lore_lai

Vangy wrote: »

people are always going to find New ways to instagib u. It could be proxy det>shards

Wat Maybe if the prey is AFK.

Marclej

Lol camo hunter still bugged?

BigTone

joe.smith21b14_ESO wrote: »

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joe.smith21b14_ESO wrote: »

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SfNiMs2RVhw

This is some good ***

GreenSoup2HoT

MormondPayne_EP wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

@Alferino

Uhh, i dont know how you like to play, by myself and im quite sure MANY others dont wanna run around in stealth all the time, by you saying your a nightblade you clearly use these types of cheese builds to gank hence why your defending them xD

You realize i play a vampire right.....

Vampire's are the one class that your suppose to run in stealth all the time. If you don't, you should be using Radiant Mage Light.... no question about it to prevent these camouflage hunter death's.

I'm a nightblade so i use cheese build's? I'm the one player in this game who use's the sentry set and still use's the old 5 piece shadow-walker. I'm far from one of those cheese build's....

Ganking is a part of the game. This game isn't built around 1v1's and 1vX's. There's are ton's of way's to play this game... a role playing game. I'm the villain in this game who will cut you down when your weak. Nightblade's are the scum of pvp. I don't build to do anything else but that because i role play as this kind of player.

I'm defending this kind of play style? (one shot's) I literally just wrote a long comment on how to prevent this from happening and you refuse to acknowledge the information and complain more about being one shot....


I tried to help you. This is a part of the game. Camouflage Hunter is something vampire's need to deal with. There are plenty of people who build for this kind of play-style. It's your choice if you wanna use the counter's to these people... but i don't wanna hear complaining on the forum's because you died while not using the counter's to prevent this.

Getting hit by 2 people with camouflage hunter (after it's been fixed) is the only way to one shot a player this fast. Completely avoidable with one counter ability (RML).


Just cure your Vampirism, it seem's you don't got what it take's to be a Vampire. You make Vampire's look weak with all your crying.



The one thing i will accept as QQ from you is about Camouflage Hunter Proc'ing multiple time's. It has been confirmed to be fixed but rumor's on the forum's say it still is Proc'ing multiple time's. However in your situation you were hit by two separate player's and they only single proc'd the ability which is working as intended. RML is your sole counter end of story for these kind of situation's. There are player's who could use wrecking blow or snipe or any other combo for that matter and obtain the same result's. Your just another player who complain's they died but refuses to change their build to prevent this...smh GG.

Since when is RML a counter to Camo hunter? Camo hunter still proc's 100% of the time out of stealth even if the target has RML on. It may reduce stealth damage somewhat but it's not going to do anything about the 100% proc of camo hunter on undead.

I assume you are using a ranged attack yes? Well in that case all it will do is reduce stealth damage.

RML reduces the damage of all attacks by 50%! within the first 0.5 seconds after the first attack from stealth. It also prevent's being cc'd by this stealth attack so you can react and recover.

RML has always been the counter to camo hunter..

whats up with all the people who dont know what their talking about in this thread..

GreenSoup2HoT

Alferino wrote: »

I just wanted to inform anyone else who doesn't realize what is the topic at hand in this thread.

"OP" get's killed by an instant gank. He then goes on to the forum's and post's this death re-cap.

What you need to take into account:

-There are two player's here.
-The death re-cap is broken showing inaccurate value's for the second player.
-"OP" is using no mean's of preventing this from happening by mitigating the damage in CP tree's or using the counter to stealth damage "Radiant Mage Light".
-The camouflage Hunter proc's were done with a Melee Weapon. If it was a Bow you would see a bow emblem, the emblem change's based on range or melee.


I know many people are going to right away shout out that camo hunter is broken and will one shot a player regardless of these counter's. That is true, however It has been fixed in some scenario's but it has also been mentioned that it is still possible with bow attack's (bow attack's not present in this death re-cap).

So yes, camouflage hunter multi proc's are a problem, however there is no multiple proc's in this death re-cap.

The second camo hunter proc is a death re-cap bug that sum's up all the damage done from that player regardless of the skill's he used. He could of used any combination of skills to kill his target. If the stealth damage proc from camo hunter kill's with the final blow... this bug occurs. Even though you may of been hit with several over abilities as well.

I for one, hit 14k with my camo hunter tooltip. I'm built for crit damage as well so if you take my critical damage modifer into account, I will hit you for 7k none crit and almost 13k critical in pvp (ignoring all other factor's such as armour/cp etc). Camouflage Hunter can still hit very hard and this 11k proc is on the low end.

If i hit someone who had radiant mage light and ton's of critical resistance and CP into hardy I would hit like a noodle. 50% less from RML, 40% less critical damage, 25% less damage from hardy. All this together would make me hit for like under 4k easy. Defiantly preventable.


I see nothing wrong about this death re-cap or "gank" that has happened to the "op". He was ganked by 2 player's which is hard enough on it's own to react and survive. Yet he was hit by a coordinated attack with two people specifically hunting vampire's since they were using silver shard's as well.

This is what happens when the counter to vampire's hit's you.



If player's want to claim this is mulit proc's and get camo hunter fixed by all mean's do it. However I'm sure this isn't mulit proc's.

Jhunn

I don't believe people are defending camo hunter one-shotting from sneak. It's cancer to this game and has nothing to do with PvP.