One shots

Alferino

I mean, common, correct me if im wrong.. but this is just so annoying, when 2 guys run around in a group and do this god dam combo to 1shot someone, maybe its because im vamp, maybe its the skill, nurf it or buff vamp so we dont get killed in less than half a seccond without ANY counter at all to it
i can take 2 crystal frags and stay alive sometimes, but this combo right here NEVER fails to kill me straight away
fix, or, buff, vamps, please

Alucardo

Vampire tears. It's what keeps me going

Derra

Alucardo wrote: »

Vampire tears. It's what keeps me going

Wonder what players that are dying to pet sorcs will do once zos decides to fix shady mechanics like camo hunter

DannyLV702

Derra wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Vampire tears. It's what keeps me going

Wonder what players that are dying to pet sorcs will do once zos decides to fix shady mechanics like camo hunter

I laughed a bit too hard lol

Dakrana_Thrazvoth

Alferino wrote: »

I mean, common, correct me if im wrong.. but this is just so annoying, when 2 guys run around in a group and do this god dam combo to 1shot someone, maybe its because im vamp, maybe its the skill, nurf it or buff vamp so we dont get killed in less than half a seccond without ANY counter at all to it
i can take 2 crystal frags and stay alive sometimes, but this combo right here NEVER fails to kill me straight away
fix, or, buff, vamps, please

Remove vampire, problem solved.

AshTal

That doesn't seem that much damage, have you tried food to boost health?

Some how I have been hit by snipe 3 times for 30K of damage before I knew what had happened by 1 guy. I am guessing the system didn't register the damage till last shot that was annoying.

Alorier

Should have blocked lol

Alucardo

You obviously didn't use Spear Shards or Piercing Javelin. Hints are there for a reason man

Alferino

davidtxr wrote: »

Should have blocked lol

I cant block if it comes from stealth and killed me in under half a seccond can i?

Alucardo wrote: »

You obviously didn't use Spear Shards or Piercing Javelin. Hints are there for a reason man

once again it killed me from stealth in under half a seccond

AshTal wrote: »

That doesn't seem that much damage, have you tried food to boost health?

Some how I have been hit by snipe 3 times for 30K of damage before I knew what had happened by 1 guy. I am guessing the system didn't register the damage till last shot that was annoying.

I have 23k health... exactly my point

Vâo wrote: »

Alferino wrote: »

I mean, common, correct me if im wrong.. but this is just so annoying, when 2 guys run around in a group and do this god dam combo to 1shot someone, maybe its because im vamp, maybe its the skill, nurf it or buff vamp so we dont get killed in less than half a seccond without ANY counter at all to it
i can take 2 crystal frags and stay alive sometimes, but this combo right here NEVER fails to kill me straight away
fix, or, buff, vamps, please

Remove vampire, problem solved.

Well no because vamp fits my playstyle, hence why i said we should have a counter to stuff like this

Jaronking

Alferino wrote: »

I mean, common, correct me if im wrong.. but this is just so annoying, when 2 guys run around in a group and do this god dam combo to 1shot someone, maybe its because im vamp, maybe its the skill, nurf it or buff vamp so we dont get killed in less than half a seccond without ANY counter at all to it
i can take 2 crystal frags and stay alive sometimes, but this combo right here NEVER fails to kill me straight away
fix, or, buff, vamps, please

Personally not trying to be a d;ck or anything but technically that wasn't a one shot it was a three shoot.

Vynist

"remove vamp lul"

Just because someone decides to run vamp shouldn't mean they now get one shot all the time.

Trying to solo as a magicka dk or magicka templar can be difficult open world without vamp because you have no mobility.

Tomato

It's still double procing and hitting for 12k +. In the death recap they just combined them to show as one but if you look at the combat logs you can see separate procs of 6k each

Soris

Nothing will be better when you remove vampirisim. Maybe you take less camo hunter in da face but it's just a one from the pile. There are many of this kind. So better get used to it.

Akinos

I cured vampire.
Still getting one shot or brought to the brink of death through 1750+ impen and 25% resistance passive.
Just yesterday I simultaneously got hit by a 22k heavy attack and 8k silver shards from some random DK in stealth.
Needless to say I died.

Balanced game is balanced.

Lenikus

Alferino wrote: »

Well no because vamp fits my playstyle, hence why i said we should have a counter to stuff like this

.... Dude. YOU are the one with bonuses around. You are the one that must be counter'd

Waffennacht

Edit: quoted wrong person, and I don't feel like quoting OP, so ill say, to OP:

Dude.... your build... it prob needs work. If im editing might as well do it right lol, What are your resources ? It seems you aren't all stam or all magicka or even all health, it means you have attributes in different resources, or you're not maxing out, that's prob why the pwnge.

If you get ganked (which happens to anyone) it's usually cuz the attacker is stronger than you.

Is your gear v16 and gold? Are you maxed? If not... re examine PvP and try again

Lenikus

Waffennacht wrote: »

Akinos wrote: »

I cured vampire.
Still getting one shot or brought to the brink of death through 1750+ impen and 25% resistance passive.
Just yesterday I simultaneously got hit by a 22k heavy attack and 8k silver shards from some random DK in stealth.
Needless to say I died.
Balanced game is balanced.

Dude.... your build... it prob needs work. 25k health?? Wtf is that? It means you aren't all stam or all magicka or even all health, it means you have attributes in different resources, or you're not maxing out, that's prob why the pwnge.
If you get ganked (which happens to anyone) it's usually cuz the attacker is stronger than you.
Is your gear v16 and gold? Are you maxed? If not... re think PvP

His build is okay'ish. stamina DKs with 3.5k~4k weapon dmg just tend to do that.

Waffennacht

@Lenikus I do understand what you are saying. I would lime to point out:

NB can have hidden blade hit for 10k
Sorc can have Frag hit for 10k
DK can Wb for 10k
Temp can RO for 10k

It's not just this particular DK, it's any build with the right stuff. So if this particular DK is causing the nerf thread, then the OP is going to have difficult time in PvP in general.

I mean several Sorcs in my guild sport 6k spell dmg

Toc de Malsvi

Lenikus wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Akinos wrote: »

I cured vampire.
Still getting one shot or brought to the brink of death through 1750+ impen and 25% resistance passive.
Just yesterday I simultaneously got hit by a 22k heavy attack and 8k silver shards from some random DK in stealth.
Needless to say I died.
Balanced game is balanced.

Dude.... your build... it prob needs work. 25k health?? Wtf is that? It means you aren't all stam or all magicka or even all health, it means you have attributes in different resources, or you're not maxing out, that's prob why the pwnge.
If you get ganked (which happens to anyone) it's usually cuz the attacker is stronger than you.
Is your gear v16 and gold? Are you maxed? If not... re think PvP

His build is okay'ish. stamina DKs with 3.5k~4k weapon dmg just tend to do that.

I would like to point out that in no way does that recap mean it was a DK that killed him, none of the damage shown is DK specific. It shows 2 different player attacks not one it could as easily been 2 NBs, 2 Templars, 2 Sorc's. 2 on 1 from stealth is likely to kill anyone regardless of whether they are vampire or not.

There is never going to be this imagined fantasy of perfect balance, there are too many factors for perfect balance to exist, during different periods one class or play type will rise to the top as players begin to see the inherent bonus' within it. In any game you play there is going to be a rock-paper-scissors dynamic, if you are rock and you can get a jump on scissors you will destroy scissors, same goes for paper on rock or scissors on paper.

Balance in an MMO means that there are hard counter's to specific builds, the DK bullseye build is hard countered by anyone in adequate armor with lots of recovery. Most magicka Sorc builds will also have no problem countering this, simply because someone has a build that destroys your build does not mean that things are unfair or unbalanced. You can change your build to counter them or you can simply accept that someone is running something out there that will rock your world and then do your best to avoid them and capitalize on those that are not.

Running Magelight will deter most from even attempting to gank you, you could also run S+B which will also deter someone with that build from attempting to gank you, not saying they wont ever just players running ganky builds have learned to look for specific easy targets. Running 5 heavy or running a costume that makes it look like you are running heavy will also deter gankers from jumping you. Running in a group and staying tight will deter players from attempting to gank you. Changing your build to get more armor and use hard counters will negate those players but it will reduce your effectiveness against other players.

It is a game of rock+paper+scissors and dying does not mean losing the war or that everything needs to be thrown on its head to fix it so that you are inherently stronger. Every patch will bring about changes and sometimes those will dramatically change which builds are the top dogs for certain scenarios.

Waffennacht

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Lenikus wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Akinos wrote: »

I cured vampire.
Still getting one shot or brought to the brink of death through 1750+ impen and 25% resistance passive.
Just yesterday I simultaneously got hit by a 22k heavy attack and 8k silver shards from some random DK in stealth.
Needless to say I died.
Balanced game is balanced.

Dude.... your build... it prob needs work. 25k health?? Wtf is that? It means you aren't all stam or all magicka or even all health, it means you have attributes in different resources, or you're not maxing out, that's prob why the pwnge.
If you get ganked (which happens to anyone) it's usually cuz the attacker is stronger than you.
Is your gear v16 and gold? Are you maxed? If not... re think PvP

His build is okay'ish. stamina DKs with 3.5k~4k weapon dmg just tend to do that.

I would like to point out that in no way does that recap mean it was a DK that killed him, none of the damage shown is DK specific. It shows 2 different player attacks not one it could as easily been 2 NBs, 2 Templars, 2 Sorc's. 2 on 1 from stealth is likely to kill anyone regardless of whether they are vampire or not.

There is never going to be this imagined fantasy of perfect balance, there are too many factors for perfect balance to exist, during different periods one class or play type will rise to the top as players begin to see the inherent bonus' within it. In any game you play there is going to be a rock-paper-scissors dynamic, if you are rock and you can get a jump on scissors you will destroy scissors, same goes for paper on rock or scissors on paper.

Balance in an MMO means that there are hard counter's to specific builds, the DK bullseye build is hard countered by anyone in adequate armor with lots of recovery. Most magicka Sorc builds will also have no problem countering this, simply because someone has a build that destroys your build does not mean that things are unfair or unbalanced. You can change your build to counter them or you can simply accept that someone is running something out there that will rock your world and then do your best to avoid them and capitalize on those that are not.

Running Magelight will deter most from even attempting to gank you, you could also run S+B which will also deter someone with that build from attempting to gank you, not saying they wont ever just players running ganky builds have learned to look for specific easy targets. Running 5 heavy or running a costume that makes it look like you are running heavy will also deter gankers from jumping you. Running in a group and staying tight will deter players from attempting to gank you. Changing your build to get more armor and use hard counters will negate those players but it will reduce your effectiveness against other players.

It is a game of rock+paper+scissors and dying does not mean losing the war or that everything needs to be thrown on its head to fix it so that you are inherently stronger. Every patch will bring about changes and sometimes those will dramatically change which builds are the top dogs for certain scenarios.

Some great words of wisdom there. Some builds will make your build look way worse or way better than it really is.

Also learning how to combat each type of build is imperative, as is learning which builds are pretty much auto win against you.

WillhelmBlack

Camo Hunter is a PvP cheese ability. ZOS just need to get rid. FG passives, standard damage from stealth and one ounce of skill is enough to kill vampires and WW's. It's not fun to suddenly drop dead out in Cyrodiil by something that requires 0 skill and effort.

I'd advise you cure your vampirism. You'll still get 1 combo'd tho due to broken CC's and damage from stealth.

caeliusstarbreaker

People use vamp for mobility?

imredneckson

Alferino wrote: »

I mean, common, correct me if im wrong.. but this is just so annoying, when 2 guys run around in a group and do this god dam combo to 1shot someone, maybe its because im vamp, maybe its the skill, nurf it or buff vamp so we dont get killed in less than half a seccond without ANY counter at all to it
i can take 2 crystal frags and stay alive sometimes, but this combo right here NEVER fails to kill me straight away
fix, or, buff, vamps, please

They have run in twos to gank you? Shame on you gankers. One of you should be able to deal that much damage and more. Ok now that that's out of the way what class are you, style of play (DPS, Tank, Healer) type of armor and weapons and sets? The players here might be able to help improve your build so you can take more damage and survive better.

imredneckson

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

People use vamp for mobility?

That's why I used it on my DK just cure myself yesterday since I don't think its worth it

WillhelmBlack

imredneckson wrote: »

Alferino wrote: »

I mean, common, correct me if im wrong.. but this is just so annoying, when 2 guys run around in a group and do this god dam combo to 1shot someone, maybe its because im vamp, maybe its the skill, nurf it or buff vamp so we dont get killed in less than half a seccond without ANY counter at all to it
i can take 2 crystal frags and stay alive sometimes, but this combo right here NEVER fails to kill me straight away
fix, or, buff, vamps, please

They have run in twos to gank you? Shame on you gankers. One of you should be able to deal that much damage and more. Ok now that that's out of the way what class are you, style of play (DPS, Tank, Healer) type of armor and weapons and sets? The players here might be able to help improve your build so you can take more damage and survive better.

It's irrelevant what skills and gear you're wearing when you drop dead with no warning.

imredneckson

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

imredneckson wrote: »

Alferino wrote: »

I mean, common, correct me if im wrong.. but this is just so annoying, when 2 guys run around in a group and do this god dam combo to 1shot someone, maybe its because im vamp, maybe its the skill, nurf it or buff vamp so we dont get killed in less than half a seccond without ANY counter at all to it
i can take 2 crystal frags and stay alive sometimes, but this combo right here NEVER fails to kill me straight away
fix, or, buff, vamps, please

They have run in twos to gank you? Shame on you gankers. One of you should be able to deal that much damage and more. Ok now that that's out of the way what class are you, style of play (DPS, Tank, Healer) type of armor and weapons and sets? The players here might be able to help improve your build so you can take more damage and survive better.

It's irrelevant what skills and gear you're wearing when you drop dead with no warning.

I've tried to snipe an EP Templar called Deadlyheals multiple times even with me animation cancelling a heavy attack and a silver shard with camo hunter up he gets knocked to the floor but he doesn't lose more than half his health. I can only assume hes running impen on a good portion of his armor. Gear does matter, the amount of health you have does matter, whether youre blocking or not does matter.

Elong

Waffennacht wrote: »

Akinos wrote: »

I cured vampire.
Still getting one shot or brought to the brink of death through 1750+ impen and 25% resistance passive.
Just yesterday I simultaneously got hit by a 22k heavy attack and 8k silver shards from some random DK in stealth.
Needless to say I died.

Balanced game is balanced.

Dude.... your build... it prob needs work. 25k health?? Wtf is that? It means you aren't all stam or all magicka or even all health, it means you have attributes in different resources, or you're not maxing out, that's prob why the pwnge.

If you get ganked (which happens to anyone) it's usually cuz the attacker is stronger than you.

Is your gear v16 and gold? Are you maxed? If not... re think PvP

Did you just tell the almighty Akinos to address his build? LOL.

heystreethawk

Waffennacht wrote: »

Akinos wrote: »

I cured vampire.
Still getting one shot or brought to the brink of death through 1750+ impen and 25% resistance passive.
Just yesterday I simultaneously got hit by a 22k heavy attack and 8k silver shards from some random DK in stealth.
Needless to say I died.

Balanced game is balanced.

Dude.... your build... it prob needs work. 25k health?? Wtf is that? It means you aren't all stam or all magicka or even all health, it means you have attributes in different resources, or you're not maxing out, that's prob why the pwnge.

If you get ganked (which happens to anyone) it's usually cuz the attacker is stronger than you.

Is your gear v16 and gold? Are you maxed? If not... re think PvP

The person you are responding to is a different person from the original poster, and is in the top EP PvP guild on PC/NA.

Waffennacht

Right, I messed up on whom I quoted, was in a rush, I was at work lmao

Cinnamon_Spider

imredneckson wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

imredneckson wrote: »

Alferino wrote: »

I mean, common, correct me if im wrong.. but this is just so annoying, when 2 guys run around in a group and do this god dam combo to 1shot someone, maybe its because im vamp, maybe its the skill, nurf it or buff vamp so we dont get killed in less than half a seccond without ANY counter at all to it
i can take 2 crystal frags and stay alive sometimes, but this combo right here NEVER fails to kill me straight away
fix, or, buff, vamps, please

They have run in twos to gank you? Shame on you gankers. One of you should be able to deal that much damage and more. Ok now that that's out of the way what class are you, style of play (DPS, Tank, Healer) type of armor and weapons and sets? The players here might be able to help improve your build so you can take more damage and survive better.

It's irrelevant what skills and gear you're wearing when you drop dead with no warning.

I've tried to snipe an EP Templar called Deadlyheals multiple times even with me animation cancelling a heavy attack and a silver shard with camo hunter up he gets knocked to the floor but he doesn't lose more than half his health. I can only assume hes running impen on a good portion of his armor. Gear does matter, the amount of health you have does matter, whether youre blocking or not does matter.

You can't kill Deadlyheals? I don't know how much of your opinion is valid in that case.

imredneckson

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

imredneckson wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

imredneckson wrote: »

Alferino wrote: »

I mean, common, correct me if im wrong.. but this is just so annoying, when 2 guys run around in a group and do this god dam combo to 1shot someone, maybe its because im vamp, maybe its the skill, nurf it or buff vamp so we dont get killed in less than half a seccond without ANY counter at all to it
i can take 2 crystal frags and stay alive sometimes, but this combo right here NEVER fails to kill me straight away
fix, or, buff, vamps, please

They have run in twos to gank you? Shame on you gankers. One of you should be able to deal that much damage and more. Ok now that that's out of the way what class are you, style of play (DPS, Tank, Healer) type of armor and weapons and sets? The players here might be able to help improve your build so you can take more damage and survive better.

It's irrelevant what skills and gear you're wearing when you drop dead with no warning.

I've tried to snipe an EP Templar called Deadlyheals multiple times even with me animation cancelling a heavy attack and a silver shard with camo hunter up he gets knocked to the floor but he doesn't lose more than half his health. I can only assume hes running impen on a good portion of his armor. Gear does matter, the amount of health you have does matter, whether youre blocking or not does matter.

You can't kill Deadlyheals? I don't know how much of your opinion is valid in that case.

xD I didn't say I couldn't kill him I said I couldn't snipe him thanks to the impen on his armor.

Edit: I have to give that an Awesome that was a good burn xD