"Nerf cloak" ... But it's stamblade damage that is op ... (explanation)

KenaPKK

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

A nerf to cloak will NOT change nightblades' dominance in PvP because STAMINA nightblades are the problem, NOT magicka ones.

It may tho. StamBlades use Cloak as a reset, to recover after a failed attack. We don't have the mitagation, sheilds, or heals, to go toe to toe for a prolonged fight like other Builds. A nerf to Cloak will reduce the already limited amount of times a StamBlade can cast Cloak. MageBlades may still be able to spam it, especially if the Nerf is a %Magicka Regen reduction while stealthed or something.

PS

The course of events leading to this irrational witch hunting goes as follows:

This is painfully accurate. I got a good LOL.^

Please elaborate on that one. I see it thrown around a lot and want someone else to give me their opinion on that bit of info. As for the heals, nb's are well equipped to do 2 things, quickly burst targets down or outlast them, prolonged fights are what nb's make when they cloak.

Refer to this post of yours for a clear picture,

CP5 wrote: »

Eejit1331 wrote: »

Is this post for real or is th OP just a troll? Either way I got a good laugh out of the BS he wrote up. Haha.

It was mentioned that the change may happen. No timeframe was given, no direction the 'nerf' would go, and it didn't even seem they would go through with it.

Jitterbug wrote: »

IF they went ahead with some sort of nerf for Cloak, what would it be, and how hard would we really be hit by it?

If for example it got the Streak treatment, how F'ed would we be, in you guys' expert opinions?

Well if people can still complain about sorc's bolt escaping after all the nerfs it got i'm sure one nerf wouldn't be the end of days for nightblades everywhere.

"Nbs are built for two things, bursts and outlasting the enemy" "outlasting the enemy" well, lets go over that by analyzing a part in your post that I find interesting.

"Nightblades everywhere" This is the issue. You and everyone else I see complaining about cloak think that every NB can spam it and that every NB would be fine without it. This is not the case. A manablade can spam it, sure. and i highly doubt a nerf to cloak would affect a manablade very much, and a mana blade still has acess to the resto staff, which can help them survive. but a stamblade?

A stamblade has no such luxury with a resto staff. A stamblade has no good damage shield unless they invest heavily in health for the undaunted shield. the only real self heal(strife is not a good self heal, do not even try to make it out like it is) a stamblade has is vigor, an HoT that is easily negatable in a fight. and no, shadow image is not a good survival ability. when it works, its great, but its far to situational and inconsistent to be a reliable survival ability. Its more along the lines of kiting; and it does this NOWHERE near as well as bolt Escape, which you compared it to earlier. It drags you to a fixed position, meaning if you get gap closed while in use it becomes useless.

So, how do you propose a stamblade survive once cloak gets nerfed? Fear spam? a stamblade can use fear maybe 3 times total if no other magicka ability is used, maybe more if they use racials and sets to get a bit more mana/reduction; , but still far below spammable levels. Twisting path? gap closers beat it. Strife? Do we need to have that discussion? I hope not. Leeching strikes? Ok, go ahead and try to use a 2% heal per strike to sustain yourself. Let me know if you manage to make it work. I'm serious, if you can actually make it work healing wise let me know; I will be interested to hear the results. resto staff? If you can make a resto staff work with a stamina build, do let me know. Again, awaiting results. Let's see what else.... there is the useless Agony....... you see my point?

I'm sure none of that wall of text resonated with anyone here; it matters not. Once stamblades have no survivalbility and become utterly useless, the truth will become clear.

And No, I am not butthurt, I just prefer to type more than 5 sentences in a response. i've said enough, its time I stopped complaining. hopefully the nerf will not render stamblades almost defensless. goodnight.

Try Rally + Vigor for awesome non-class healing that doesn't require a near-useless Resto staff.

Just going to emphasize this little point.

ToRelax

KenaPKK wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

IF they went ahead with some sort of nerf for Cloak, what would it be, and how hard would we really be hit by it?

If for example it got the Streak treatment, how F'ed would we be, in you guys' expert opinions?

CP5 wrote: »

Well if people can still complain about sorc's bolt escaping after all the nerfs it got i'm sure one nerf wouldn't be the end of days for nightblades everywhere.

Bolt Escape is 100% reliable. When you hit the button, you dash. Cloak is not reliable. Sometimes, it just fails and the mere presence of a nearby enemy pulls you out of it. Also, there are tons of counters to the invisibility, but when a sorc dashes, he dashes and gains distance 100%. When Cloak fails, it requires spamming. It really does. (Go play NB in PvP.)

Applying the Bolt Escape / dodge roll nerf to Cloak would completely kill magicka Nightblade while literally not affecting stamina Nightblade at all.

Enjoy having every NB in the game respec to stamina.

BE is not as reliable as you may think. If the game decides you are in a position where you're not supposed to be able to use that spell, it will do exactly nothing, not even stun, and you still get your magicka drained. If you are rooted, you can not choose direction, wich wastes the ability. In both cases it easily means death if you already used BE 2 or more times in a row, as you can neither go on with it or fight back anymore.

CP5

Docmandu wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

"Nightblades everywhere" This is the issue. You and everyone else I see complaining about cloak think that every NB can spam it and that every NB would be fine without it.

I'm getting flashbacks from when sorcs were saying the exact same thing about Bolt Escape...

Or DK's about scales. Fact is there will always be a select group that specializes their build to take the largest advantage it can in most situations. Even with the nerfs to bolt escape there are still some sorcs who drive people mad with their kiting and burst damage and fuel the flames for future nerf threads. It's just now NB's are the popular go to class, and it becomes very frustrating when over half the enemies you remember fighting always seem to have cloak up their sleeve.

iTzStevey

Let the cowards be cowards, but stam nightblade damage is just ridiculous, half the time you only see ambush hit you but on the death recap its usually ambush/SA/camo/soul harvest. I hope the damage gets nerfed quite abit tbh, but imo cloak isnt the problem there are many many counters and if the nightblade is running away he isnt doing damage so yeah. I hope it gets tweaked before everyone and their mother is a NB in eso, leads to even more boring gameplay like the lagfest in Cyrodiil. *yawn*

It's already becoming like that, seeing someone in Cyro you have like a 90% chance he's a nightblade -_-

Tone down the damage abit, give some abilities cast times ect. But for once in your life ZoS TEST THINGS PROPERLY

Rikumaru

I am all for cloak having an exponential magicka cost if cloak cant be broken or any vision being granted.

Darnathian

Rikumaru wrote: »

I am all for cloak having an exponential magicka cost if cloak cant be broken or any vision being granted.

Lol. That's worse

Gunphu

I feel like people dont know what they are talking about. For the first time STA NB can actually be argued as performing better than MNB. Even though you have an ability that hits for over 14k (as hard as a meteor). Its like a ranged wrecking blow! Dont forget you have massive utility aswell. In fact magicka has ruled this game for a vast majority of its existence. On my MNB proxy det tooltip said over 17k on a single target last patch....I would one shot entire groups of people. STA builds have never been able to do that.

In current meta STA NB only performs so well because IC caters to the ganking playstyle and has tons of pvp newbies in it just trying to get stones. They dont know WTF is going on. I had one guy try to kill my shade for a couple seconds so i felt sorry for him and left the fight.

If any of you duel or have even watched them you would know that in a straight 1v1 fight all classes are decently balanced. Some may need a slight buff on a few minor things. But despite so many variables amongst just one class in its self this time around they actually did a decent job balancing for once. Once again the problem is IC, its layout, NPC layout, and its zerg or gank to win design.

Also if a CP passive as strong as Hardy was implemented for physical resistance then I guarantee nearly everyone will roll magicka again. Not only that but PvE would be a joke. I do think the % for the light armor increase needs a decent bump though, vigor should break stealth when cast, and Hardy does need its values very slightly adjusted. I know you sorcs are used to 17k OL light attacks and all magicka users are used to 17k NON CRIT proxy dets but thats not balanced and crying to revenge nerf everything under the sun wont help this game at all.

Rikumaru

Darnathian wrote: »

Rikumaru wrote: »

I am all for cloak having an exponential magicka cost if cloak cant be broken or any vision being granted.

Lol. That's worse

Why? People are complaing about perma cloakers and how cloak should have the same treatment as bolt escape. If this is gonna come to pass I want my cloak to be as reliable as bolt escape is.

katcali

To much crying, and not enough practicing or even working out methods to combat agains what they are crying about. Quit crying and learn to defend, combat, counter, the problems, Nerfs wont help you, after that nurf, they'll cry about something else, then you'll get nurfed, and then something new to cry about, oooo what's that, another nurf. Just Play, win some, lose some. So what. It's a game, play, practice, and then maybe you could get better and win some more. Spending the time Crying isn't getting you anymore SKILL to win matches

KenaPKK

Gunphu wrote: »

I feel like people dont know what they are talking about. For the first time STA NB can actually be argued as performing better than MNB. Even though you have an ability that hits for over 14k (as hard as a meteor). Its like a ranged wrecking blow! Dont forget you have massive utility aswell. In fact magicka has ruled this game for a vast majority of its existence. On my MNB proxy det tooltip said over 17k on a single target last patch....I would one shot entire groups of people. STA builds have never been able to do that.

In current meta STA NB only performs so well because IC caters to the ganking playstyle and has tons of pvp newbies in it just trying to get stones. They dont know WTF is going on. I had one guy try to kill my shade for a couple seconds so i felt sorry for him and left the fight.

If any of you duel or have even watched them you would know that in a straight 1v1 fight all classes are decently balanced. Some may need a slight buff on a few minor things. But despite so many variables amongst just one class in its self this time around they actually did a decent job balancing for once. Once again the problem is IC, its layout, NPC layout, and its zerg or gank to win design.

Also if a CP passive as strong as Hardy was implemented for physical resistance then I guarantee nearly everyone will roll magicka again. Not only that but PvE would be a joke. I do think the % for the light armor increase needs a decent bump though, vigor should break stealth when cast, and Hardy does need its values very slightly adjusted. I know you sorcs are used to 17k OL light attacks and all magicka users are used to 17k NON CRIT proxy dets but thats not balanced and crying to revenge nerf everything under the sun wont help this game at all.

WB can be spammed. Merciless cannot. Utility between stam and magicka is actually about the same, and survivability too. In fact, both become higher for stamina relative to magicka, as does damage, as champion points are gained.

Derra

The only thing killing me on my magica NB is mark target or if i *** up because no shadow image hurr durr.

It´s hilarious.

The working counter against cloak is class specific and absolutely overpowered.

No need to nerf cloak. They just need to revisit every counter... Ah well we all know whats going to happen.

Mojomonkeyman

Why are people still replying to OP? The guy has no clue about the game and a very obvious agenda - typical NB brainwash crap:"my class is so weak, nb without cloak cannot survive, sorc op"

Sad and basically a condensed product of all the NB whine threads since release, conveniently forgetting, downtalking or flatout denying anything that doesn`t fit his agenda.

KenaPKK

^ DKs are op man.

Master_Kas

CP5 wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

"Nightblades everywhere" This is the issue. You and everyone else I see complaining about cloak think that every NB can spam it and that every NB would be fine without it.

I'm getting flashbacks from when sorcs were saying the exact same thing about Bolt Escape...

Or DK's about scales. Fact is there will always be a select group that specializes their build to take the largest advantage it can in most situations. Even with the nerfs to bolt escape there are still some sorcs who drive people mad with their kiting and burst damage and fuel the flames for future nerf threads. It's just now NB's are the popular go to class, and it becomes very frustrating when over half the enemies you remember fighting always seem to have cloak up their sleeve.

Well 99% of Those sorcs was magicka, Id like to see a stam sorc try kiting as good with be/streak.

The nerf to be hurt stam sorcs even worse, which is what will happen to stam nbs (not as bad tough since ZOS said it'll be a minor nerf)

I never wanted bolt nerfed as I just used a gapcloser+block or Waited for the sorc to come back

Master_Kas

Derra wrote: »

The only thing killing me on my magica NB is mark target or if i *** up because no shadow image hurr durr.

It´s hilarious.

The working counter against cloak is class specific and absolutely overpowered.

No need to nerf cloak. They just need to revisit every counter... Ah well we all know whats going to happen.

Fite meh. I'll only use the useless radiant magelight or detect pot. No mark

CP5

Master_Kas wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

"Nightblades everywhere" This is the issue. You and everyone else I see complaining about cloak think that every NB can spam it and that every NB would be fine without it.

I'm getting flashbacks from when sorcs were saying the exact same thing about Bolt Escape...

Or DK's about scales. Fact is there will always be a select group that specializes their build to take the largest advantage it can in most situations. Even with the nerfs to bolt escape there are still some sorcs who drive people mad with their kiting and burst damage and fuel the flames for future nerf threads. It's just now NB's are the popular go to class, and it becomes very frustrating when over half the enemies you remember fighting always seem to have cloak up their sleeve.

Well 99% of Those sorcs was magicka, Id like to see a stam sorc try kiting as good with be/streak.

The nerf to be hurt stam sorcs even worse, which is what will happen to stam nbs (not as bad tough since ZOS said it'll be a minor nerf)

I never wanted bolt nerfed as I just used a gapcloser+block or Waited for the sorc to come back

Sadly it seems ZOS's intent is to nerf the things that define classes rather than create interesting situations in game with the skills that are already there. I am still split on how to feel about what they said, when they said minor nerf it'll either be forgotten about/incredibly minor or a knee jerk reaction, I doubt anything in between will happen.

Derra

Master_Kas wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

The only thing killing me on my magica NB is mark target or if i *** up because no shadow image hurr durr.

It´s hilarious.

The working counter against cloak is class specific and absolutely overpowered.

No need to nerf cloak. They just need to revisit every counter... Ah well we all know whats going to happen.

Fite meh. I'll only use the useless radiant magelight or detect pot. No mark

I don´t use cloak 1v1. There is no need for it.

KenaPKK

Master_Kas wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

The only thing killing me on my magica NB is mark target or if i *** up because no shadow image hurr durr.

It´s hilarious.

The working counter against cloak is class specific and absolutely overpowered.

No need to nerf cloak. They just need to revisit every counter... Ah well we all know whats going to happen.

Fite meh. I'll only use the useless radiant magelight or detect pot. No mark

Useless Radiant Magelight? Wat? I love that ability... It's situational, sure, but it's super useful in certain cases.

SemiD4rkness

Poor nightblades! I see it comming, massive rage quit and QQ.
I think it's deserved tho, all of those who decided to roll the easy mode class will finally pay.
More and more "nerf nbs" threads keep being created. Now even NBs have a civil war going on to decide if stamina or magicka is more op.
If you still think nightblades are not OP, and in sorry to say you're just an idiot... Or a nightblade! Haha.

JDar

Derra wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

The only thing killing me on my magica NB is mark target or if i *** up because no shadow image hurr durr.

It´s hilarious.

The working counter against cloak is class specific and absolutely overpowered.

No need to nerf cloak. They just need to revisit every counter... Ah well we all know whats going to happen.

Fite meh. I'll only use the useless radiant magelight or detect pot. No mark

I don´t use cloak 1v1. There is no need for it.

Why not? It increases your damage, gives you more physical resistance, and confuses your opponent.

Master_Kas

KenaPKK wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

The only thing killing me on my magica NB is mark target or if i *** up because no shadow image hurr durr.

It´s hilarious.

The working counter against cloak is class specific and absolutely overpowered.

No need to nerf cloak. They just need to revisit every counter... Ah well we all know whats going to happen.

Fite meh. I'll only use the useless radiant magelight or detect pot. No mark

Useless Radiant Magelight? Wat? I love that ability... It's situational, sure, but it's super useful in certain cases.

I was joking about the useless part since so many here claim the magelight is weak.

Master_Kas

Derra wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

The only thing killing me on my magica NB is mark target or if i *** up because no shadow image hurr durr.

It´s hilarious.

The working counter against cloak is class specific and absolutely overpowered.

No need to nerf cloak. They just need to revisit every counter... Ah well we all know whats going to happen.

Fite meh. I'll only use the useless radiant magelight or detect pot. No mark

I don´t use cloak 1v1. There is no need for it.

Lol okay maybe you don't, but thats your misstake. That is like a sorcerer not using his damageshields in a 1v1. Not exactly but close enough ^^

Master_Kas

CP5 wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

"Nightblades everywhere" This is the issue. You and everyone else I see complaining about cloak think that every NB can spam it and that every NB would be fine without it.

I'm getting flashbacks from when sorcs were saying the exact same thing about Bolt Escape...

Or DK's about scales. Fact is there will always be a select group that specializes their build to take the largest advantage it can in most situations. Even with the nerfs to bolt escape there are still some sorcs who drive people mad with their kiting and burst damage and fuel the flames for future nerf threads. It's just now NB's are the popular go to class, and it becomes very frustrating when over half the enemies you remember fighting always seem to have cloak up their sleeve.

Well 99% of Those sorcs was magicka, Id like to see a stam sorc try kiting as good with be/streak.

The nerf to be hurt stam sorcs even worse, which is what will happen to stam nbs (not as bad tough since ZOS said it'll be a minor nerf)

I never wanted bolt nerfed as I just used a gapcloser+block or Waited for the sorc to come back

Sadly it seems ZOS's intent is to nerf the things that define classes rather than create interesting situations in game with the skills that are already there. I am still split on how to feel about what they said, when they said minor nerf it'll either be forgotten about/incredibly minor or a knee jerk reaction, I doubt anything in between will happen.

Don't forget ZOS often says "small changes" but hit with the sledgehammer. Magicka DK's for example, or shieldbreaker for shields, or the blocking change

Darnathian

Rikumaru wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Rikumaru wrote: »

I am all for cloak having an exponential magicka cost if cloak cant be broken or any vision being granted.

Lol. That's worse

Why? People are complaing about perma cloakers and how cloak should have the same treatment as bolt escape. If this is gonna come to pass I want my cloak to be as reliable as bolt escape is.

Why is unbreakable cloak not worse? Most non NBs out there are sick of the spam right now. And you want to make it unbreakable?

As they say on ESPN, "Come on man."

mtwiggz

I believe we need to revisit the lasers. If anything is OP, it is that.

Alucardo wrote: »

Isbilen wrote: »

Sorry but somewhere between the ability to go completely invisible at will with sprint speed, perma-block in light armour, jump off keeps or cliffs and teleport right back up, an unblockable area CC effect, and just in general being better than the other classes at pretty much everything in PvP other than healing, the class just becomes a laughable easy mode.

They can also shoot lasers from their eyes

Cody

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

A nerf to cloak will NOT change nightblades' dominance in PvP because STAMINA nightblades are the problem, NOT magicka ones.

It may tho. StamBlades use Cloak as a reset, to recover after a failed attack. We don't have the mitagation, sheilds, or heals, to go toe to toe for a prolonged fight like other Builds. A nerf to Cloak will reduce the already limited amount of times a StamBlade can cast Cloak. MageBlades may still be able to spam it, especially if the Nerf is a %Magicka Regen reduction while stealthed or something.

PS

The course of events leading to this irrational witch hunting goes as follows:

This is painfully accurate. I got a good LOL.^

Please elaborate on that one. I see it thrown around a lot and want someone else to give me their opinion on that bit of info. As for the heals, nb's are well equipped to do 2 things, quickly burst targets down or outlast them, prolonged fights are what nb's make when they cloak.

Refer to this post of yours for a clear picture,

CP5 wrote: »

Eejit1331 wrote: »

Is this post for real or is th OP just a troll? Either way I got a good laugh out of the BS he wrote up. Haha.

It was mentioned that the change may happen. No timeframe was given, no direction the 'nerf' would go, and it didn't even seem they would go through with it.

Jitterbug wrote: »

IF they went ahead with some sort of nerf for Cloak, what would it be, and how hard would we really be hit by it?

If for example it got the Streak treatment, how F'ed would we be, in you guys' expert opinions?

Well if people can still complain about sorc's bolt escaping after all the nerfs it got i'm sure one nerf wouldn't be the end of days for nightblades everywhere.

"Nbs are built for two things, bursts and outlasting the enemy" "outlasting the enemy" well, lets go over that by analyzing a part in your post that I find interesting.

"Nightblades everywhere" This is the issue. You and everyone else I see complaining about cloak think that every NB can spam it and that every NB would be fine without it. This is not the case. A manablade can spam it, sure. and i highly doubt a nerf to cloak would affect a manablade very much, and a mana blade still has acess to the resto staff, which can help them survive. but a stamblade?

A stamblade has no such luxury with a resto staff. A stamblade has no good damage shield unless they invest heavily in health for the undaunted shield. the only real self heal(strife is not a good self heal, do not even try to make it out like it is) a stamblade has is vigor, an HoT that is easily negatable in a fight. and no, shadow image is not a good survival ability. when it works, its great, but its far to situational and inconsistent to be a reliable survival ability. Its more along the lines of kiting; and it does this NOWHERE near as well as bolt Escape, which you compared it to earlier. It drags you to a fixed position, meaning if you get gap closed while in use it becomes useless.

So, how do you propose a stamblade survive once cloak gets nerfed? Fear spam? a stamblade can use fear maybe 3 times total if no other magicka ability is used, maybe more if they use racials and sets to get a bit more mana/reduction; , but still far below spammable levels. Twisting path? gap closers beat it. Strife? Do we need to have that discussion? I hope not. Leeching strikes? Ok, go ahead and try to use a 2% heal per strike to sustain yourself. Let me know if you manage to make it work. I'm serious, if you can actually make it work healing wise let me know; I will be interested to hear the results. resto staff? If you can make a resto staff work with a stamina build, do let me know. Again, awaiting results. Let's see what else.... there is the useless Agony....... you see my point?

I'm sure none of that wall of text resonated with anyone here; it matters not. Once stamblades have no survivalbility and become utterly useless, the truth will become clear.

And No, I am not butthurt, I just prefer to type more than 5 sentences in a response. i've said enough, its time I stopped complaining. hopefully the nerf will not render stamblades almost defensless. goodnight.

Try Rally + Vigor for awesome healing that doesn't require a near-useless Resto staff.

last i tried it, it did not keep me sustained when getting directly attacked unless my enemies damage output was just low. Rally is honestly better in that regard due to the instant heal; but even then it will not keep a stamblade sustained in a straight up fight. Unless your's just gets ALOT of heals from them of course. Which I suppose Is not impossible due to the way resources affect abilities nowadays. But by all means; Like I have said over half a dozen times, if you think a stamblade could keep themselves alive with just an HoT or two and a restricted situational teleport, then by all means, do so. send me a video showing you do this while being effective in battle. Fear spam will only get you so far, and WB/ SA spam won't help you when getting pounded on by a crap ton of damage with no escape unless you just happened to place that teleport that people seem to think is a suitable replacement for cloak. You will have no decent damage shields either; Only an Hot or two and a situational teleport. It will not be enough to keep you alive in PvP unless you can manage to escape constant gap closing and ranged attacks after exhausting all of your roll dodges.

Cody

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Poor nightblades! I see it comming, massive rage quit and QQ.
I think it's deserved tho, all of those who decided to roll the easy mode class will finally pay.
More and more "nerf nbs" threads keep being created. Now even NBs have a civil war going on to decide if stamina or magicka is more op.
If you still think nightblades are not OP, and in sorry to say you're just an idiot... Or a nightblade! Haha.

"decided to roll an easy mode class"

I rolled a NB at launch. Back during launch, the NB was complete trash. Every ability in the class was based off of magicka, meaning anything not magicka related was garbage. DKs and sorcerers were far superior to the NB during those times; only the templar could be compared in terms of crapiness. I played the class when it was terrible, and stuck thru it; yet that makes me someone that decided to roll an easy class because now the class is actually decent?

Korah_Eaglecry

I honestly feel if players bothered to play all of the classes rather then stick to one. They might actually understand the nuances a player faces when using a particular build with a particular class. Theyd might just stop screaming nerf every time something goes bad for them in PvP.

NBs are squishy unless they have a Templar up their rear end. The only thing they can do is put out A LOT of Damage in a small window. But can quickly succumb to the same sort of punishment theyre putting out.

I wouldnt even go as far as saying NBs are OP right now. They simply do what theyre built to do. But the moment they get into it with a solid Tank or a group running Mage Light and theyre done for. NBs are either highly effective at ganking or hanging back in groups and waiting for the opportune moment to get out there and hit a guy while hes CCed. They cant stand on their own against anyone with any sort of sustainability. Im willing to wager that many of those complaining about NBs are actually running builds that are vulnerable to Spike DPS. And instead of adapting they come on here to complain.

The funny thing is that any NB that is focusing on Spike DPS just happens to be susceptible to Spike DPS. But you dont see thread after thread about how NBs cant survive and to Nerf this that and the other.

Cody

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

I honestly feel if players bothered to play all of the classes rather then stick to one. They might actually understand the nuances a player faces when using a particular build with a particular class. Theyd might just stop screaming nerf every time something goes bad for them in PvP.

NBs are squishy unless they have a Templar up their rear end. The only thing they can do is put out A LOT of Damage in a small window. But can quickly succumb to the same sort of punishment theyre putting out.

I wouldnt even go as far as saying NBs are OP right now. They simply do what theyre built to do. But the moment they get into it with a solid Tank or a group running Mage Light and theyre done for. NBs are either highly effective at ganking or hanging back in groups and waiting for the opportune moment to get out there and hit a guy while hes CCed. They cant stand on their own against anyone with any sort of sustainability. Im willing to wager that many of those complaining about NBs are actually running builds that are vulnerable to Spike DPS. And instead of adapting they come on here to complain.

The funny thing is that any NB that is focusing on Spike DPS just happens to be susceptible to Spike DPS. But you dont see thread after thread about how NBs cant survive and to Nerf this that and the other.

Truth^^^^^^

Uber_Lord

Why is there no buff my class thread? Everything in these forums is just nerf X because I don't get kills or I get killed. It's like people never played MMOs before ESO. They expect to have a build that is able to SOLO survive everything and SOLO kill everything. Rock/Paper/Scissors. Play in a team, have your role and stop whining, it's a multiplayer game afterall.

Anyways no point discussing anything in the forums. Awaiting NB nerf and later whatever class they cry about and the circle continues....

A loud minority of people shaping the game while the rest are playing it hah