Nerf

PeggymoeXD

PURGE.

You guys took a step in the right direction when you majorly buffed siege, so another necessary step would to make purge in huge groups unspammable. I'm not a person who will sit here and list my suggestions on how, like, involving percentages and everything. But there once was a time, when spamming purge actually had a chance to kill me, and I never thought I'd actually miss a Zenimax bug that was fixed. Yeah, siege is still effective against small groups with people who just like throwing themselves at keeps to die, but large, coordinated groups have people literally designated just to spam purge. And you're better off watching the keep fall instead of wasting AP on siege against a group like that.

Domander

The core combat of this game is that everything is spammable, there are no cooldowns and it's a good thing, so asking for something not to be spammable is silly.

Ask for it to be reduced in effectiveness in a large group like limiting the max total effects purged.

PeggymoeXD

@Domander that's the point dude. I even said I'm not being specific with how it needs to be nerfed, it's just a skill that defeats the purpose of using siege. If it makes you feel better, I will edit the thread. But overall what I am asking is exactly what you said.

Soris

If maybe making it work like the Healing Springs but in reverse could fix the issue. Like it cost more/drain some magicka based on amount of friendlies it hits.
So it cost like 5x more when it casted in 24man group and 3x more in 12man group etc..

Domander

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

@Domander that's the point dude. I even said I'm not being specific with how it needs to be nerfed, it's just a skill that defeats the purpose of using siege. If it makes you feel better, I will edit the thread. But overall what I am asking is exactly what you said.

Oh, I really don't care, I was just saying.... I keep seeing people asking for it not to be spammable and put a cooldown or whatever.. but it won't happen, and it shouldn't when there's better ways to do it.

Domander

Soris wrote: »

If maybe making it work like the Healing Springs but in reverse could fix the issue. Like it cost more/drain some magicka based on amount of friendlies it hits.
So it cost like 5x more when it casted in 24man group and 3x more in 12man group etc..

I kinda like the idea, however I use it for myself a lot and would not want to use it in a group if it worked this way. If one morph was more selfish and the other morph was for the group maybe it would work.

tplink3r1

Simple, make it a synergy.
People would need to stop spamming AOE in order to purge themselves and synergies have cooldowns.

PeggymoeXD

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Simple, make it a synergy.
People would need to stop spamming AOE in order to purge themselves and synergies have cooldowns.

this is idea actually isn't half bad

Lava_Croft

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Simple, make it a synergy.
People would need to stop spamming AOE in order to purge themselves and synergies have cooldowns.

Yes! The solution to Purge is to make it useless to anyone playing solo!

Ffastyl

Lava_Croft wrote: »

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Simple, make it a synergy.
People would need to stop spamming AOE in order to purge themselves and synergies have cooldowns.

Yes! The solution to Purge is to make it useless to anyone playing solo!

Simple tweak: make it purge harmful effects from the caster on cast and leave a synergy for the other folk. Like Purifying Ritual in Templar's Restoring Light line.

Lava_Croft

Ffastyl wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Simple, make it a synergy.
People would need to stop spamming AOE in order to purge themselves and synergies have cooldowns.

Yes! The solution to Purge is to make it useless to anyone playing solo!

Simple tweak: make it purge harmful effects from the caster on cast and leave a synergy for the other folk. Like Purifying Ritual in Templar's Restoring Light line.

So everybody in the raid will just slot Purge and spam it just the same way...

DeanTheCat

Make Efficent Purge caster only, then reduce the number of targets hit by Cleanse to 8. That way, soloists will still have their personal purge, Cleanse will benifit small groups more then larger groups, thus ensuring small groups are still viable while punishing larger groups. Besides, Cleanse can partially mitigate the healing needs of a small group, so the extra Magicka cost is gained back by not having to cast as many heals.

Ffastyl

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Ffastyl wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Simple, make it a synergy.
People would need to stop spamming AOE in order to purge themselves and synergies have cooldowns.

Yes! The solution to Purge is to make it useless to anyone playing solo!

Simple tweak: make it purge harmful effects from the caster on cast and leave a synergy for the other folk. Like Purifying Ritual in Templar's Restoring Light line.

So everybody in the raid will just slot Purge and spam it just the same way...

Nope. Doing that locks down one slot they could be using for something else. Most people will entrust purge to a few healers and support, relying on the synergy.

Do you see every Templar spamming Purifying Ritual under siege fire?

Domander

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Ffastyl wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Simple, make it a synergy.
People would need to stop spamming AOE in order to purge themselves and synergies have cooldowns.

Yes! The solution to Purge is to make it useless to anyone playing solo!

Simple tweak: make it purge harmful effects from the caster on cast and leave a synergy for the other folk. Like Purifying Ritual in Templar's Restoring Light line.

So everybody in the raid will just slot Purge and spam it just the same way...

Well, that would be ok, if everybody is purging... guess what they aren't doing? damage or healing heh

Lava_Croft

Domander wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Ffastyl wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Simple, make it a synergy.
People would need to stop spamming AOE in order to purge themselves and synergies have cooldowns.

Yes! The solution to Purge is to make it useless to anyone playing solo!

Simple tweak: make it purge harmful effects from the caster on cast and leave a synergy for the other folk. Like Purifying Ritual in Templar's Restoring Light line.

So everybody in the raid will just slot Purge and spam it just the same way...

Well, that would be ok, if everybody is purging... guess what they aren't doing? damage or healing heh

Use Cleanse and do your damage in between.

Also note that doing anything to Purge will do absolutely nothing about the fact that everybody is slowly turning into a demigod thanks to the Champion System.

Erondil

Reduce the cap to 6 or so.

Septimus_Magna

First of all, organized groups will always have a huge advantage when fighting unorganized groups. Everyone stays together to get all the heals, buffs and shields, this also makes it hard to single out someone and kill them one by one.

That having said, if you time a couple (cold) fire ballista's to hit the group at the same time the effect will be devastating. To time the ballista's at the same time you need some form of direct communication, something that usually lacks in unorganized groups.

Conclusion, the problem is not the siege nor spam of purge, its the communication with your allies. If you think you gonna wipe a well organized group with a couple random sieges you're playing the wrong game.

SurprisedFour91

Bring back the purge bomb.

filmoretub17_ESO

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

PURGE.

You guys took a step in the right direction when you majorly buffed siege, so another necessary step would to make purge in huge groups unspammable. I'm not a person who will sit here and list my suggestions on how, like, involving percentages and everything. But there once was a time, when spamming purge actually had a chance to kill me, and I never thought I'd actually miss a Zenimax bug that was fixed. Yeah, siege is still effective against small groups with people who just like throwing themselves at keeps to die, but large, coordinated groups have people literally designated just to spam purge. And you're better off watching the keep fall instead of wasting AP on siege against a group like that.

Large groups don't stand in siege, What game are you playing?

filmoretub17_ESO

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

First of all, organized groups will always have a huge advantage when fighting unorganized groups. Everyone stays together to get all the heals, buffs and shields, this also makes it hard to single out someone and kill them one by one.

That having said, if you time a couple (cold) fire ballista's to hit the group at the same time the effect will be devastating. To time the ballista's at the same time you need some form of direct communication, something that usually lacks in unorganized groups.

Conclusion, the problem is not the siege nor spam of purge, its the communication with your allies. If you think you gonna wipe a well organized group with a couple random sieges you're playing the wrong game.

This ^^^^ Too many people want to make organized groups worthless. So mindless single players will dominate and that's just wrong. You wanted a game where those who use strategy will succeed not those who have the game mechanics doing all their work for them.

BigTone

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

Large groups don't stand in siege, What game are you playing?

Many times I have seen large groups that cause havoc and raise my volume to many decibels stand in a tower or field with siege raining down on them just healing and purging it off.

pjwb16_ESO

Bring Back Elemental Wall Purge Bug, will solve perma purging

eliisra

Large coordinated groups also have several players designated to spam:
Steel Tornado
Proxi
Vigor
Rapid Maneuvre
Caltroops + Camoflage Hunter (because proc bug)
etc

But guys complaining about large raids always need a few of those skills above for their individual build. PvE included. They dont want to see their own stuff or playstyle gimped, so they naturally demand that ZoS nerfs skills like Barrier or Purge instead. Because 100000 mainstream stamina NB's dont need it and dont want to slot it.

That's why I find most of these posts a pile of hypocritical horse ***. How about nerfing stamina AoE and heal instead "because zergs" are abusing the hell out of it? But of course not. That's just a l2p issue (translation = I need it for timed Arena).

Purge: The skill should probably have a reduced target cap, to thin out the biggest zerg-blobs. But I'm also a biased simpleton like everyone else. I prefer 6-12 man groups. I also use Cleanse and you cant spam that to infinity, you run out of magicka.

SturgeHammer

Personally I would like the range of purge to scale with the number of alliance war support tree abilities you have slotted, starting at self and increasing the radius by three meters per additional skill slotted. This way if a player wants a powerful purge they have to give up some offensive slots. This would also increase the value of being a support focused player in large groups.

BigTone

SturgeHammer wrote: »

Personally I would like the range of purge to scale with the number of alliance war support tree abilities you have slotted, starting at self and increasing the radius by three meters per additional skill slotted. This way if a player wants a powerful purge they have to give up some offensive slots. This would also increase the value of being a support focused player in large groups.

This doesn't do much when a 24 person group is stacked on crown. I really like the idea of making it a synergy.

SturgeHammer

BigTone wrote: »

SturgeHammer wrote: »

Personally I would like the range of purge to scale with the number of alliance war support tree abilities you have slotted, starting at self and increasing the radius by three meters per additional skill slotted. This way if a player wants a powerful purge they have to give up some offensive slots. This would also increase the value of being a support focused player in large groups.

This doesn't do much when a 24 person group is stacked on crown. I really like the idea of making it a synergy.

That would be a nice solution, but I am not sure how that would work without changing the mechanics to work like purifying ritual.

BigTone

SturgeHammer wrote: »

BigTone wrote: »

SturgeHammer wrote: »

Personally I would like the range of purge to scale with the number of alliance war support tree abilities you have slotted, starting at self and increasing the radius by three meters per additional skill slotted. This way if a player wants a powerful purge they have to give up some offensive slots. This would also increase the value of being a support focused player in large groups.

This doesn't do much when a 24 person group is stacked on crown. I really like the idea of making it a synergy.

That would be a nice solution, but I am not sure how that would work without changing the mechanics to work like purifying ritual.

Make it work automatically on yourself, up to four/eight others can activate a synergy purging bad effects.

SturgeHammer

BigTone wrote: »

SturgeHammer wrote: »

BigTone wrote: »

SturgeHammer wrote: »

Personally I would like the range of purge to scale with the number of alliance war support tree abilities you have slotted, starting at self and increasing the radius by three meters per additional skill slotted. This way if a player wants a powerful purge they have to give up some offensive slots. This would also increase the value of being a support focused player in large groups.

This doesn't do much when a 24 person group is stacked on crown. I really like the idea of making it a synergy.

That would be a nice solution, but I am not sure how that would work without changing the mechanics to work like purifying ritual.

Make it work automatically on yourself, up to four/eight others can activate a synergy purging bad effects.

I guess ZOS could make the synergy work similarly to a magma shell activation.

PeggymoeXD

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

First of all, organized groups will always have a huge advantage when fighting unorganized groups. Everyone stays together to get all the heals, buffs and shields, this also makes it hard to single out someone and kill them one by one.

That having said, if you time a couple (cold) fire ballista's to hit the group at the same time the effect will be devastating. To time the ballista's at the same time you need some form of direct communication, something that usually lacks in unorganized groups.

Conclusion, the problem is not the siege nor spam of purge, its the communication with your allies. If you think you gonna wipe a well organized group with a couple random sieges you're playing the wrong game.

Nah. That's not the problem.

PeggymoeXD

Okay, some of you get the idea that I'm whining about organized groups. First of all, stop calling it that. It's a zerg. And second, no I am not complaining about the fact that they are what's necessary to take objectives. I'm complaining about the fact that unless you have a bigger zerg waiting within your keep, you're doomed. There once was a time when it was possible to defend against a zerg even while heavily outnumbered. I'm not mad because I die in keep defenses, I just mean against certain groups there is absolutely nothing that can be done. No amount of fire siege, or oil is going to stop a group that just spams purge the entire time. Nerfing it somehow will allow the chance for smaller groups to be able to defend against bigger groups.

PeggymoeXD

eliisra wrote: »

Large coordinated groups also have several players designated to spam:
Steel Tornado
Proxi
Vigor
Rapid Maneuvre
Caltroops + Camoflage Hunter (because proc bug)
etc

But guys complaining about large raids always need a few of those skills above for their individual build. PvE included. They dont want to see their own stuff or playstyle gimped, so they naturally demand that ZoS nerfs skills like Barrier or Purge instead. Because 100000 mainstream stamina NB's dont need it and dont want to slot it.

That's why I find most of these posts a pile of hypocritical horse ***. How about nerfing stamina AoE and heal instead "because zergs" are abusing the hell out of it? But of course not. That's just a l2p issue (translation = I need it for timed Arena).

Purge: The skill should probably have a reduced target cap, to thin out the biggest zerg-blobs. But I'm also a biased simpleton like everyone else. I prefer 6-12 man groups. I also use Cleanse and you cant spam that to infinity, you run out of magicka.

Not 100% sure if this is an accusation of being a zergling or not, but if so, you obviously do not know who I am. I've explained why I'm complaining about purge several times now, and it has nothing to do with me being a zergling. Since I'm not.