@ ZOS - Question on Lava Whip and Concealed Weapon

Iyas

Is it working as intended that DK's Whip and NB's Concealed Weapon going through dodge?

Would be nice to know something about it.

Have a nice day.

Domander

I sure hope so, it's hard enough to kill those who dodge roll infinitely.

They are also melee range, and not the only melee range abilities that go through dodge roll.

Iyas

For me its a bug. The stamina version surprise attack isnt going through dodge.

Soulac

Domander wrote: »

I sure hope so, it's hard enough to kill those who dodge roll infinitely.

They are also melee range, and not the only melee range abilities that go through dodge roll.

It's hard enough to kill those who Shield stack Infinitely.

Can I get Shield ignoring skills now? Let's begin with surprise attack.

Lava_Croft

Soulac wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

I sure hope so, it's hard enough to kill those who dodge roll infinitely.

They are also melee range, and not the only melee range abilities that go through dodge roll.

It's hard enough to kill those who Shield stack Infinitely.

Can I get Shield ignoring skills now? Let's begin with surprise attack.

It's hard enough to kill those who dodgeroll infinitely too. Both extremes are examples of broken gameplay.

Iyas

Can we have a statement?

Lhorion

Soulac wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

I sure hope so, it's hard enough to kill those who dodge roll infinitely.

They are also melee range, and not the only melee range abilities that go through dodge roll.

It's hard enough to kill those who Shield stack Infinitely.

Can I get Shield ignoring skills now? Let's begin with surprise attack.

Who has two shields to stack that helps against Surprise attack? Most shield stackers stack classshield+harness. One shield you can always ignore

P.S.: Okay.... since today you could stack Boneshield.

P.P.S.: A skill that ignores all kind of shields could be nice. Maybe a skill in the coming "Dark Brotherhood"?

Soulac

Lhorion wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

I sure hope so, it's hard enough to kill those who dodge roll infinitely.

They are also melee range, and not the only melee range abilities that go through dodge roll.

It's hard enough to kill those who Shield stack Infinitely.

Can I get Shield ignoring skills now? Let's begin with surprise attack.

Who has two shields to stack that helps against Surprise attack? Most shield stackers stack classshield+harness. One shield you can always ignore

P.S.: Okay.... since today you could stack Boneshield.

P.P.S.: A skill that ignores all kind of shields could be nice. Maybe a skill in the coming "Dark Brotherhood"?

Sorcs using healing Ward :P

Lhorion

Ah right... Me too. Forgot this

Iyas

Any update ?

MagicaDeHex

@Soulac stop your bitching on dodgeroll already, it has to be counters for that infinite dodgerolling like all (not doing namecalling) do.. there are only a few counters for it as it should be , otherwise you could dodgeroll cancel animation attack forever and never die and you know this. You already kill ppl with shields in a matter of few seconds and you can reset fight and come back whenever you want so just !"#!"#!"# CAT, you are better than this.

Soulac

MagicaDeHex wrote: »

@Soulac stop your bitching on dodgeroll already, it has to be counters for that infinite dodgerolling like all (not doing namecalling) do.. there are only a few counters for it as it should be , otherwise you could dodgeroll cancel animation attack forever and never die and you know this. You already kill ppl with shields in a matter of few seconds and you can reset fight and come back whenever you want so just !"#!"#!"# CAT, you are better than this.

@MagicaDeHex
B-but I didn't say anything

pppontus

I'm fine with there being a counter to it, even if I do hate that whip

but.. no stamina counter to dodge? I can't think of any that works at least..

Dodge rollers need a way to kill dodge rollers!

Garion

Soulac wrote: »

MagicaDeHex wrote: »

@Soulac stop your bitching on dodgeroll already, it has to be counters for that infinite dodgerolling like all (not doing namecalling) do.. there are only a few counters for it as it should be , otherwise you could dodgeroll cancel animation attack forever and never die and you know this. You already kill ppl with shields in a matter of few seconds and you can reset fight and come back whenever you want so just !"#!"#!"# CAT, you are better than this.

@MagicaDeHex
B-but I didn't say anything

#rekt

Iyas

pppontus wrote: »

I'm fine with there being a counter to it, even if I do hate that whip

but.. no stamina counter to dodge? I can't think of any that works at least..

Dodge rollers need a way to kill dodge rollers!

hm youre right

Derra

Really fast responses on other topics. @ZOS_GinaBruno is there any chance we might get an update on this one?

Seems counterintuitive that certain singletarget abilities ignore dodgeroll.

Spangla

Dodge roll needs to go away

Iyas

Spangla wrote: »

Dodge roll needs to go away

So whats the defense for stamina builds?

olsborg

GC on dodgeroll:)

Iyas

olsborg wrote: »

GC on dodgeroll:)

Dont make my thread another nerf dodge roll thread. But thanks for the push anyways

pppontus

Iyas wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

GC on dodgeroll:)

Dont make my thread another nerf dodge roll thread. But thanks for the push anyways

People will QQ about everything that isn't in their favour, lol.

But I would like to hear something from ZOS on this, what defines if a skill goes through dodge and not? We didn't need more guesswork when it comes to how skills functioned and U6 was supposed to make this more clear.. @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Lava_Croft

I can imagine the answer already...

"We have tested this internally and found that Concealed Weapon and Lava Whip do not ignore dodge. Can you provide a video?"

Xsorus

I play heavy dodge roll classes, and I think Concealed and Lava Whip should go through Dodge Roll.

Not sure how I feel about Radiant Destruction though doing it

Iyas

Xsorus wrote: »

I play heavy dodge roll classes, and I think Concealed and Lava Whip should go through Dodge Roll.

Not sure how I feel about Radiant Destruction though doing it

You can say this because of nirnhoned armor but imagine the damage without.

Joy_Division

Xsorus wrote: »

I play heavy dodge roll classes, and I think Concealed and Lava Whip should go through Dodge Roll.

Not sure how I feel about Radiant Destruction though doing it

Sorry, channeled attacks need to hit you dodge-roll spammers

eliisra

pppontus wrote: »

I'm fine with there being a counter to it, even if I do hate that whip

but.. no stamina counter to dodge? I can't think of any that works at least..

Dodge rollers need a way to kill dodge rollers!

I totally agree. But still, magicka users cant really kill other magicka users in 1.6 either. Not enough burst(unless glass house sorc with stacked pen) to tear down Harness Magicka and spell res. I can easily tank a magicka DK, NB, Templar and lesser sorcs indefinitely only using the light armor shield, which is basically a non-class Hardened Ward that absorbs anything scaling of magicka. I dont even need to shield stack against skills like Whip or Concealed Weapon.

Mele magicka skills used to bypass it, but not in 1.6. Now they only do actual damage to stamina users. While stamina users do crazy dmg to magicka users, but apparently just keep roll dodging around other stamina users forever with no counter tools lol. ZoS could probably work a bit on that.

cozmon3c_ESO

Radiant destruction should only be able to be cast on target when they are not dodge rolling but continue to damage if they do, like all other executes in the game. you shouldnt be able to cast this in the middle of a dodge roll, especially since this ability has enough damage to it to be an opener.

TheBucket

These abilities should NOT go through dodge roll. Its way to easy for a DK to jist spam 7k lava whips on a player using his only defense abilities. Especially if that player is CC immune.

Ezareth

TheBucket wrote: »

These abilities should NOT go through dodge roll. Its way to easy for a DK to jist spam 7k lava whips on a player using his only defense abilities. Especially if that player is CC immune.

That's why you have cloak and a host of other defensive abilities you can slot like shades, blur, evasion etc.

I think every class needs an ability that can hit a player in Dodge roll. If concealed weapon, Daedric Curse, Jesus Beam, and Lava Whip don't how will those people ever die? Impulse spam? lol.

I spent 500 ultimate heavy power overloading a nightblade who was dodge rolling away from me last night. 30 seconds of ultimating him with 5K Heavy attacks and by the time he reached the friendly lines he was running to he was at 100% health due to vigor spam (while perma rolling). You guys seriously want to make these even more OP?

I love when my predictions come true. This is rich.

My L21 Nightblade is now able to dodge roll 12 times in a row and he hasn't even unlocked the medium dodge roll passives yet haha.

Lava_Croft

Ezareth wrote: »

TheBucket wrote: »

These abilities should NOT go through dodge roll. Its way to easy for a DK to jist spam 7k lava whips on a player using his only defense abilities. Especially if that player is CC immune.

That's why you have cloak and a host of other defensive abilities you can slot like shades, blur, evasion etc.

I think every class needs an ability that can hit a player in Dodge roll. If concealed weapon, Daedric Curse, Jesus Beam, and Lava Whip don't how will those people ever die? Impulse spam? lol.

I spent 500 ultimate heavy power overloading a nightblade who was dodge rolling away from me last night. 30 seconds of ultimating him with 5K Heavy attacks and by the time he reached the friendly lines he was running to he was at 100% health due to vigor spam (while perma rolling). You guys seriously want to make these even more OP?

I love when my predictions come true. This is rich.

My L21 Nightblade is now able to dodge roll 12 times in a row and he hasn't even unlocked the medium dodge roll passives yet haha.

Magicka Sorcers and Stamina Nightblades, pot and kettle.

Kelleton

Ezareth wrote: »

TheBucket wrote: »

These abilities should NOT go through dodge roll. Its way to easy for a DK to jist spam 7k lava whips on a player using his only defense abilities. Especially if that player is CC immune.

I think every class needs an ability that can hit a player in Dodge roll..

I agree, and those same abilities should also bypass shields