NBs FEAR needs a massive nerf at this current state of PvP.

technohic

BrassRazoo wrote: »

The only thing I don't understand is that a NB can engage in combat from stealth and re-enter stealth / disappear while still in combat.
The stealth / hidden mechanic should work the same as in PvE.
You cannot just pop out and shoot players then instantly vanish again until one of you are dead or you run miles away.

That's kind of their thing though. That's their defense and that part is pretty easy to counter.

Fecius

Oh, before 1.6 i could read opener post replacing all NB with DK and switching some abilities with DK's "reflect, standart, batswarm, ets". AT LAST NOT ONLY DKs! I'm so happy! And I LOLed a lot reading all this stuff, so thank you, you've made my day!

golfer.dub17_ESO

Okay, I'm getting pissed.

http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197997267873/screenshot/719790399120974503

Ambush, slashes me while I'm breaking free, another slash, dead.

By the time I broke free and could do anything I had only like 1k health.
All in under a second. How the flying f*** can you possibly counter that?

Finally catch the guy in open combat, dragon leap, lay into him...he just ambushes and slashes and two-shots me without a care in the world.

You people complain about wrecking blow all the damn time. Well, how do you justify this?

Garion

Oh my goodness. You just opened Pandora's box.

NBs have been OP since circa 1.2, but they kept QQing and got buff after buff. NBs are the experts of QQ.

Davadin

So... either manual break THEN stam pot, or the Immovable pot, or... if you have enough stam/have a stam build, just spam click a bit and off you go? And then you're immune?

I'll admit it's a bit annoying, but it's OP at all. If you go one-on-one with an NB and the worst thing you worry about is the FEAR skill, then you're not looking at the right places.......

/DK

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Ezareth

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

Okay, I'm getting pissed.

http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197997267873/screenshot/719790399120974503

Ambush, slashes me while I'm breaking free, another slash, dead.

By the time I broke free and could do anything I had only like 1k health.
All in under a second. How the flying f*** can you possibly counter that?

Finally catch the guy in open combat, dragon leap, lay into him...he just ambushes and slashes and two-shots me without a care in the world.

You people complain about wrecking blow all the damn time. Well, how do you justify this?

Just wait until I release my Suicide PVP video this weekend. You want to see OP, I'll show you NBs killing me with bows point blank to my face with shields up for 30K in about a second with no chance to react on my part.

I'm not complaining BTW, I prefer playing the underdog class.

But hey Nerf Sorcs right?!?

LegendaryMage

Roll dodge is out of control, fear has always been strong too.

While I don't particularly like the idea of taking it away from NBs, I also don't like the idea of one class having a guaranteed CC ability every 4 seconds that is spammable on a magicka build, and totally viable on a stamina build too.

The only unavoidable CCs in this game should be soft CCs. Hard CCs that cannot be avoided are over the top. Give them to all classes and problem solved. But then why have other CC abilities?

Just imagine encase instead of rooting you, stunning you for 4 seconds every time it hits you and then slowing you down after that too. Maybe even debuff your damage too? Don't defend the class just because you're playing it, then everyone will do the same and we'll get nowhere.

I don't think too much about class balance at the moment (never did really as I always played mine totally careless) but right now two skills are out of control in my opinion, and that's petrify from Dks and fear from NBs. This is just what I think is totally strong atm, I'm not saying other things aren't.

Bouvin

So far, players have requested the following classes get nerfed:

• Dragon Knight
• Sorcerer
• Templar
• Nightblade

So far, the following classes have seen no one crying "nerfs"

Joy_Division

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

Okay, I'm getting pissed.

http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197997267873/screenshot/719790399120974503

Ambush, slashes me while I'm breaking free, another slash, dead.

By the time I broke free and could do anything I had only like 1k health.
All in under a second. How the flying f*** can you possibly counter that?

Finally catch the guy in open combat, dragon leap, lay into him...he just ambushes and slashes and two-shots me without a care in the world.

You people complain about wrecking blow all the damn time. Well, how do you justify this?

• You must equip a one-handed weapon and shield to use puncture, low slash, defensive posture, shield charge, and power bash
• You can spend skill points to morph your abilities and increase their power
• Consuming food or drink will increase your primary attributes

Bouvin

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

And about nb's who disappear after fear spamming a zerg, for that I have two words..
Detection Potions.

As a Stamina NB I have a few more words:

• Area of Effect
• Charges (pretty much any charge)
• Snipe
• DoTs
• Wrecking Blow

These all break NB stealth. I don't understand why people think it's so OP, when it hasn't been that good since like 1.2.

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Ezareth

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Roll dodge is out of control, fear has always been strong too.

While I don't particularly like the idea of taking it away from NBs, I also don't like the idea of one class having a guaranteed CC ability every 4 seconds that is spammable on a magicka build, and totally viable on a stamina build too.

The only unavoidable CCs in this game should be soft CCs. Hard CCs that cannot be avoided are over the top. Give them to all classes and problem solved. But then why have other CC abilities?

Just imagine encase instead of rooting you, stunning you for 4 seconds every time it hits you and then slowing you down after that too. Maybe even debuff your damage too? Don't defend the class just because you're playing it, then everyone will do the same and we'll get nowhere.

I don't think too much about class balance at the moment (never did really as I always played mine totally careless) but right now two skills are out of control in my opinion, and that's petrify from Dks and fear from NBs. This is just what I think is totally strong atm, I'm not saying other things aren't.

I'm curious why you say 4 seconds and not 6 or 8 seconds (whichever the break-free CC immunity is). Am I missing something here?

LegendaryMage

Ezareth wrote: »

I'm curious why you say 4 seconds and not 6 or 8 seconds (whichever the break-free CC immunity is). Am I missing something here?

I didn't pay much attention, was writing fast. I think immunity is 5 seconds unless you use any of the Alessian sets, which most people do not.

And 2nd time I mentioned 4 seconds, it was probably because I'm still under the impression that fear lasts for 4 seconds as in 1.5, which could be totally wrong. So whoever is reading this, don't take those numbers 100% accurate, I'm probably wrong with all of them (fear got reduced a bit in 1.6 no?).

Ezareth

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

I'm curious why you say 4 seconds and not 6 or 8 seconds (whichever the break-free CC immunity is). Am I missing something here?

I didn't pay much attention, was writing fast. I think immunity is 5 seconds unless you use any of the Alessian sets, which most people do not.

And 2nd time I mentioned 4 seconds, it was probably because I'm still under the impression that fear lasts for 4 seconds as in 1.5, which could be totally wrong. So whoever is reading this, don't take those numbers 100% accurate, I'm probably wrong with all of them (fear got reduced a bit in 1.6 no?).

Just watching the Youtube time on one of my videos it appears to be 8 seconds actually. (I wont put money on that though but it is def more than 5 seconds if you watch the white circles).

The way I consider fear is it's a stamina drain, and it's a split second (before I break free unless bugged) where they get open house damage on me. This is why I have my Stamina regen at 1300, so I don't have to worry about a NB playing Fear-spam or a DK using Petrify-spam on me and running me out of stamina. I can easily absorb the cost of that and if their build revolves around me finally running out of stamina I usually come out on top.

golfer.dub17_ESO

Joy_Division wrote: »

• You must equip a one-handed weapon and shield to use puncture, low slash, defensive posture, shield charge, and power bash
• You can spend skill points to morph your abilities and increase their power
• Consuming food or drink will increase your primary attributes

None of that even came close to addressing anything I said.

Why address criticisms though when you can just laugh at the person and continue using your broken class.

If it's L2P issue, then tell me what the counter is so I can actually learn something. If it's really that simple, then it should be easy for you to think of one. Don't go around telling people to learn to play if you aren't willing to actually teach them something.

If you can't actually think of a counter...then reconsider your views instead of mocking people.

Ezareth wrote: »

Just wait until I release my Suicide PVP video this weekend. You want to see OP, I'll show you NBs killing me with bows point blank to my face with shields up for 30K in about a second with no chance to react on my part.

I'm not complaining BTW, I prefer playing the underdog class.

But hey Nerf Sorcs right?!?

There's a difference between being an underdog and being literally incapable of fighting back.

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k2blader

I would disagree NBs need a "massive nerf." Fear is one of their necessary survivability/support abilities.

Why, at this point in time, are people calling for nerfs to any class? They should be calling for fixes to bugged class abilities and other skills; and if they want to be extra meaningful, start much needed discussions about issues related to weapon damage and physical damage mitigation like Huntler did here.

ItsRejectz

What a stupid topic this is, nightblade is a rogue type class. Meaning they are designed to be in and out of stealth.
There are plenty of ways to deal with them..There are pots, as well as skills that reveal stealthed enemies.
There are ways of dealing with fear to, again there's pots but also the immovable skill will make you immune .

Players are not adapting to counter it. Just like you would any other skill, for instance reflecting enemies projectiles back at them.

Finally ... No NB can Parma dodge and Spam cloak.To be able to perma dodge you need to spec into stamina/stam cost reduction/Regan/tumbler. In doing that,it leaves you only able to cast cloak around 3 times max.
It's the same the other way around to, if the spec into Magika/Magika Regan and cost reduction. They can spam cloak, but can only dodge around 3 times before they are out of stamina.

The reason people are screaming nerf is because NB's have always needed a big buff, so players have never really had issues with them, or needed counter measures for them, but now they do. NB's are finally in a place where they are relevant in the battlefield and you need to evolve and adapt to fight them

k2blader

ItsRejectz wrote: »

The reason people are screaming nerf is because NB's have always needed a big buff, so players have never really had issues with them, or needed counter measures for them, but now they do. NB's are finally in a place where they are relevant in the battlefield and you need to evolve and adapt to fight them

I think it's only the original poster screaming nerf, and maybe (?) a handful of others who have nothing better to do. I think the crying from NBs toward sorcs is by far more deafening. When NBs have the tools, yet too many of them don't seem to want to expend effort/brainpower to evolve and adapt. They'd rather just nerf to uselessness the class they perceive as "having what they don't." That's what upsets me.

Xael

k2blader wrote: »

too many of them don't seem to want to expend effort/brainpower to evolve and adapt. They'd rather just nerf to uselessness the class they perceive as "having what they don't."

This happens to be the bulk of people posting on the forums though. The whining here is unbelievable. Everyone removes themselves from the equation as if they are never the problem and pander the nonsense that said class or ability is broken or overpowered. You can thank Blizzard for catering to this limpwristed mindset. If whine loud enough, long enough, eventually you will get your way. Sickening.

golfer.dub17_ESO

Everyone removes themselves from the equation as if they are never the problem and pander the nonsense that said class or ability is broken or overpowered

You don't think the same can apply to people who are biased and refuse to see anything negative about their own class?

Still waiting for an (actual) answer to my previously mentioned problem. If there is an answer, if it's simply a l2p issue, then the nightblades of this forum should have no issue providing one. Yes, Nightblades are a stealth class and should get an advantage when attacking from stealth. No, I shouldn't be stunlocked and killed out of the blue before I can even do anything..

No, I shouldn't have to grind for counters or buy expensive potions to deal with a small handful of skills, the fact people are even seriously suggesting that as a solution reveals their bias.

Players are not adapting to counter it. Just like you would any other skill, for instance reflecting enemies projectiles back at them.

Here, here's an example of what I mentioned earlier.

I'm a DK. People will complain about me reflecting projectiles back at them. I would then inform them that many spells, such as beams and AoE ones, can't be reflected at all.

There, see? Not hard to provide an actual, reasonable answer.

Xael

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

Everyone removes themselves from the equation as if they are never the problem and pander the nonsense that said class or ability is broken or overpowered

You don't think the same can apply to people who are biased and refuse to see anything negative about their own class?

Still waiting for an (actual) answer to my previously mentioned problem. If there is an answer, if it's simply a l2p issue, then the nightblades of this forum should have no issue providing one. Yes, Nightblades are a stealth class and should get an advantage when attacking from stealth. No, I shouldn't be stunlocked and killed out of the blue before I can even do anything..

No, I shouldn't have to grind for counters or buy expensive potions to deal with a small handful of skills, the fact people are even seriously suggesting that as a solution reveals their bias.

I don't even know what class you are, let alone what questions you have. I can't begin to offer solutions when I don't know what or how you play.

Regardless, I will say this, if you think leveling up skills or your overall character is not important you are playing the wrong game. If you think you shouldn't grind for what you need, sorry, I don't agree with the welfare mindset of entitlement. All of us pvpers who are at "end game" grinded to get here. All of us. Yet you want it delivered to you on a plate? You say this reveals our bias? Wtf are you talking about? You have 10 skill keys and 2 Ults, it's your responsibility to play smart and build accordingly. If you don't have what it takes, that's on you. If you feel a NB is creeping around you, you certainly should chug a detection pot. That or hold block. If not, it's on you. This is simple game mechanics.

You don't want to use food buffs, potions, or level up your character? Don't whine about being killed by someone who took the time to build a better character and play better.

Fyi, if you are dying to an ambush combo outright, I can kill you with any class. I mean for crying outloud, any stam build with a 2h can open up on you with uppercut followed by Crit Rush/Execute and kill you dead in the same amount of time. This is not a nightblade issue, it is a "play better" issue. Also archers can do the same thing with snipe and weave/injection combos.

And yes I do think people can be biased, I also think they can be protectionists and refuse to look at their classes objectively. However that's not what is going on here. Since you quoted that part of my statement allow me to elucidate: Despite 2 years (beta), people still suck at this game. People are still full of themselves and have an inflated sense of self worth. People still think if they are dying they are not the problem, rather the thing that is killing them.

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golfer.dub17_ESO

No other class requires potions to counter.
No other class requires skills that are deep into the alliance war skill tree to counter.

When you cite these as solutions, you're basically saying "Oh you want to beat us? Just let us punch you around until you have the Alliance Rank to unlock our counter" or "want to see us? Invest into potions and use those constantly". Yes, I do believe you are biased if you can't see why those are both flawed suggestions.

How long in comparison did it take you to unlock your skills? My level 15 Nightblade alt already has ambush and surprise attack, my main doesn't even have caltrops yet. There is a giant disparity in time invested here.

Fyi, if you are dying to an ambush combo outright, I can kill you with any class. I mean for crying outloud, any stam build with a 2h can open up on you with uppercut followed by Crit Rush/Execute and kill you dead in the same amount of time. This is not a nightblade issue, it is a "play better" issue. Also archers can do the same thing with snipe and weave/injection combos.

So I assume you're saying this:
Stealth Wrecking Blow - Crit Rush - Executioner

The difference is that is much more limited in range and much more situational (try crouch-walking to someone from a distance), and they have plenty of time to react (as I actually have to back up for the crit rush to actually do any significant amount of damage).

Ambush combo, the guy teleports to me, weaves in a light attack with his surprise attack, and dead.

Again, as a (stamina (how specific do you even need me to be?)) DK, or any class if you want to be more general, how does someone counter this?

Soulac

Counter Cloak?
- Light Attack animation cancel, especially in melee range
- all AoE
- gap closer
- Mage light

Keep in mind that it's nearly impossible for a NB to cloak in an enemy group, also that a single enemy NB is able to "deactivate" your ability to go invisible.

Counter dodge?
- heavy Resto / lightning staff attack
- jesus beam
- Templar heal debuff
- streak
- Concealed weapon
- teleport Strike
- whip
- soul Strike
- curse
- meteor
- Magicka Detonation (btw u cant cloak it either, not even breaking the cast it self is possible with cloak.)
- 2 handed charge mostly
- all Magicka based AoEs

All these skills are undodgeable, which means that evasion or mirage won't work either.

Cloak and dodge are strong, but dodge is not nightblade based, possible t spam for every class and got plenty of viable counters.
If you run in an enemy group and you try to perm dodge away.. It won't work, its the most stupid group ever or they're just not interested in following you.

On the other side cloak gets completely negated by an another NB, potions, Mage light, the alliance war skill and everything else listed above.
Now tell me what NBs are supposed to do without that possible burst?

Fear is just a Stamina drain like Streak, Petrify or Talons.
Sure it is AoE based, but it's also melee, and while Petrify is on range as example.
If you use Petrify on a Stamina user he needs to break and to dodge, but it breaks fast by dealing dmg.

Fear is fine since NBs need to be able to keep people away if enemys are using the counters above.
What do you think a NB is supposed to do instead? Just die? Running away?


"The fact that NBs can run in a army of players, dodge roll forever while they spam fear, can't die, then cloak, and maintain untouched, and at the same time dish out insane amounts of damage is the definition of OP. Sorcerers are the only class close to this atm, but they don't have the combination of AOE Fear included."

If a group doesn't now how to kill a Stamina based build (everyone can dodge forever, not NB only) they deserve to get trolled.
Trolled? Yes, cause the Nb won't kill anything.
You really think that NBs are able to dodge cancel Fear and while doing that using strong AoEs or let's say single target and if anything happens they just cloak out?
Yes, I can kill one or two people if the group doesn't notice or doesn't heal, but that's named ganking, which every Sniper is capable of.
If you run I an enemy group, roll dodging, you won't kill anything, promise.

Nb is strong, but also are the other classes.
Learn to deal with it and wait what zos is changing in the future.

Alexander Powerkill

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

Everyone removes themselves from the equation as if they are never the problem and pander the nonsense that said class or ability is broken or overpowered

You don't think the same can apply to people who are biased and refuse to see anything negative about their own class?

Still waiting for an (actual) answer to my previously mentioned problem. If there is an answer, if it's simply a l2p issue, then the nightblades of this forum should have no issue providing one. Yes, Nightblades are a stealth class and should get an advantage when attacking from stealth. No, I shouldn't be stunlocked and killed out of the blue before I can even do anything..

No, I shouldn't have to grind for counters or buy expensive potions to deal with a small handful of skills, the fact people are even seriously suggesting that as a solution reveals their bias.

Players are not adapting to counter it. Just like you would any other skill, for instance reflecting enemies projectiles back at them.

Here, here's an example of what I mentioned earlier.

I'm a DK. People will complain about me reflecting projectiles back at them. I would then inform them that many spells, such as beams and AoE ones, can't be reflected at all.

There, see? Not hard to provide an actual, reasonable answer.

@golfer.dub17_ESO man all u need to do to counter nb big DMG is watch for their burst and block. Basically they stealth u block. They fear u break free then block. Mitigates almost all DMG and draws the nb out.

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Tankqull

Alexander Powerkill wrote: »

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

Everyone removes themselves from the equation as if they are never the problem and pander the nonsense that said class or ability is broken or overpowered

You don't think the same can apply to people who are biased and refuse to see anything negative about their own class?

Still waiting for an (actual) answer to my previously mentioned problem. If there is an answer, if it's simply a l2p issue, then the nightblades of this forum should have no issue providing one. Yes, Nightblades are a stealth class and should get an advantage when attacking from stealth. No, I shouldn't be stunlocked and killed out of the blue before I can even do anything..

No, I shouldn't have to grind for counters or buy expensive potions to deal with a small handful of skills, the fact people are even seriously suggesting that as a solution reveals their bias.

Players are not adapting to counter it. Just like you would any other skill, for instance reflecting enemies projectiles back at them.

Here, here's an example of what I mentioned earlier.

I'm a DK. People will complain about me reflecting projectiles back at them. I would then inform them that many spells, such as beams and AoE ones, can't be reflected at all.

There, see? Not hard to provide an actual, reasonable answer.

@golfer.dub17_ESO man all u need to do to counter nb big DMG is watch for their burst and block. Basically they stealth u block. They fear u break free then block. Mitigates almost all DMG and draws the nb out.

same could be said about every class

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Xael

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

No other class requires potions to counter.
No other class requires skills that are deep into the alliance war skill tree to counter.

When you cite these as solutions, you're basically saying "Oh you want to beat us? Just let us punch you around until you have the Alliance Rank to unlock our counter" or "want to see us? Invest into potions and use those constantly". Yes, I do believe you are biased if you can't see why those are both flawed suggestions.

How long in comparison did it take you to unlock your skills? My level 15 Nightblade alt already has ambush and surprise attack, my main doesn't even have caltrops yet. There is a giant disparity in time invested here.

Fyi, if you are dying to an ambush combo outright, I can kill you with any class. I mean for crying outloud, any stam build with a 2h can open up on you with uppercut followed by Crit Rush/Execute and kill you dead in the same amount of time. This is not a nightblade issue, it is a "play better" issue. Also archers can do the same thing with snipe and weave/injection combos.

So I assume you're saying this:
Stealth Wrecking Blow - Crit Rush - Executioner

The difference is that is much more limited in range and much more situational (try crouch-walking to someone from a distance), and they have plenty of time to react (as I actually have to back up for the crit rush to actually do any significant amount of damage).

Ambush combo, the guy teleports to me, weaves in a light attack with his surprise attack, and dead.

Again, as a (stamina (how specific do you even need me to be?)) DK, or any class if you want to be more general, how does someone counter this?

It's like you didn't read a thing I wrote...
Hold down your block key. It's not difficult. Learn to move and block.
Why are you talking about unlocking Alliance Rank abilities? Why are you saying no other class requires potions and skills deep into the alliance tree to counter? Where did I say anything like this? Read what I wrote and calm yourself.

Don't tell me "When you cite these as solutions" when I never cited this in the first place. Go back and read. Learn to block. Potions and food are in the game for a reason and they are low cost. There is no excuse to not use them. You don't even need to use a detection potion to counter a NB but if you did use one you can hit them first. In case you didn't read it the 3 other times I said it, start using block. You are a Stamina DK and dying to a NB combo outright, this is absurd. You sound not only extremely low level, but undergeared and poorly built. Not only are Stamina DKs notoriously strong at tanking players, multiple players at once mind you, they dish out shitloads of damage. I am not going to write out an expose on how to play your class.

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Joy_Division

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

• You must equip a one-handed weapon and shield to use puncture, low slash, defensive posture, shield charge, and power bash
• You can spend skill points to morph your abilities and increase their power
• Consuming food or drink will increase your primary attributes

None of that even came close to addressing anything I said.

Why address criticisms though when you can just laugh at the person and continue using your broken class.

If it's L2P issue, then tell me what the counter is so I can actually learn something. If it's really that simple, then it should be easy for you to think of one. Don't go around telling people to learn to play if you aren't willing to actually teach them something.

If you can't actually think of a counter...then reconsider your views instead of mocking people.

Dude, chill out. Those are the suggestions on your death recap. A little humor in the context of mindless entertainment that has zero bearing on your life, family, or the world around us, ok?

As far as counters, people have already told you the basic ones in this thread. Stop taking everything so seriously and try them.

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Ara_Valleria

Soulac wrote: »

Counter Cloak?
- Light Attack animation cancel, especially in melee range
- all AoE
- gap closer
- Mage light

Keep in mind that it's nearly impossible for a NB to cloak in an enemy group, also that a single enemy NB is able to "deactivate" your ability to go invisible.

Counter dodge?
- heavy Resto / lightning staff attack
- jesus beam
- Templar heal debuff
- streak
- Concealed weapon
- teleport Strike
- whip
- soul Strike
- curse
- meteor
- Magicka Detonation (btw u cant cloak it either, not even breaking the cast it self is possible with cloak.)
- 2 handed charge mostly
- all Magicka based AoEs

All these skills are undodgeable, which means that evasion or mirage won't work either.

Cloak and dodge are strong, but dodge is not nightblade based, possible t spam for every class and got plenty of viable counters.
If you run in an enemy group and you try to perm dodge away.. It won't work, its the most stupid group ever or they're just not interested in following you.

On the other side cloak gets completely negated by an another NB, potions, Mage light, the alliance war skill and everything else listed above.
Now tell me what NBs are supposed to do without that possible burst?

Fear is just a Stamina drain like Streak, Petrify or Talons.
Sure it is AoE based, but it's also melee, and while Petrify is on range as example.
If you use Petrify on a Stamina user he needs to break and to dodge, but it breaks fast by dealing dmg.

Fear is fine since NBs need to be able to keep people away if enemys are using the counters above.
What do you think a NB is supposed to do instead? Just die? Running away?


"The fact that NBs can run in a army of players, dodge roll forever while they spam fear, can't die, then cloak, and maintain untouched, and at the same time dish out insane amounts of damage is the definition of OP. Sorcerers are the only class close to this atm, but they don't have the combination of AOE Fear included."

If a group doesn't now how to kill a Stamina based build (everyone can dodge forever, not NB only) they deserve to get trolled.
Trolled? Yes, cause the Nb won't kill anything.
You really think that NBs are able to dodge cancel Fear and while doing that using strong AoEs or let's say single target and if anything happens they just cloak out?
Yes, I can kill one or two people if the group doesn't notice or doesn't heal, but that's named ganking, which every Sniper is capable of.
If you run I an enemy group, roll dodging, you won't kill anything, promise.

Nb is strong, but also are the other classes.
Learn to deal with it and wait what zos is changing in the future.

^^Thanks for saying everything I wanted to say

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NB is a class which when played "right" and "smart" can seriously cause people to rage and post long QQ threads on the forums, even though you can clearly counter a NB.

Also if your excuse is : Why do i need to carry potions to counter this class ?
Then know that you can do it would carrying pots as mentioned above but why wouldn't you want to carry pots to counter someone ?
I carry detection pots, cc immune pots, invis pots, speed pots and stat boost pots with me at all times. Using them I can significantly increase the chances of killing any class that I encounter.

So you see.. at the end of the day, victory favors the well prepared and the well trained. Unless the opponent is hacking/exploiting but that's a different issue. Therefore this is clearly a Learn2Counter issue and I mean that in a good way.

#Learn2counter
#L2C

golfer.dub17_ESO

Alexander Powerkill wrote: »

@golfer.dub17_ESO man all u need to do to counter nb big DMG is watch for their burst and block. Basically they stealth u block. They fear u break free then block. Mitigates almost all DMG and draws the nb out.

Mhm.

In that screen I was blocking with boneshield up as well, still died.

With food, mind you. I never enter cyrodiil without it.

Dude, chill out. Those are the suggestions on your death recap. A little humor in the context of mindless entertainment that has zero bearing on your life, family, or the world around us, ok?

As far as counters, people have already told you the basic ones in this thread. Stop taking everything so seriously and try them.

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You don't want to use food buffs, potions, or level up your character? Don't whine about being killed by someone who took the time to build a better character and play better.

Why are you talking about unlocking Alliance Rank abilities? Why are you saying no other class requires potions and skills deep into the alliance tree to counter? Where did I say anything like this? Read what I wrote and calm yourself.

Yea okay.

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Cody

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

Everyone removes themselves from the equation as if they are never the problem and pander the nonsense that said class or ability is broken or overpowered

You don't think the same can apply to people who are biased and refuse to see anything negative about their own class?

Still waiting for an (actual) answer to my previously mentioned problem. If there is an answer, if it's simply a l2p issue, then the nightblades of this forum should have no issue providing one. Yes, Nightblades are a stealth class and should get an advantage when attacking from stealth. No, I shouldn't be stunlocked and killed out of the blue before I can even do anything..

No, I shouldn't have to grind for counters or buy expensive potions to deal with a small handful of skills, the fact people are even seriously suggesting that as a solution reveals their bias.

Players are not adapting to counter it. Just like you would any other skill, for instance reflecting enemies projectiles back at them.

Here, here's an example of what I mentioned earlier.

I'm a DK. People will complain about me reflecting projectiles back at them. I would then inform them that many spells, such as beams and AoE ones, can't be reflected at all.

There, see? Not hard to provide an actual, reasonable answer.

here is how to fight cloak

AOE attacks
charges(charges often bug out cloaks)

magelight

detection potions

flares

mark the player with piercing mark if you are using a NB

and more i have not listed that others have

how to fight fear

CC BREAK THE FEAR. I am not mocking you by all capping it, i am making it obvious because lots of people don't seem to do it. even if you are a full on LA magicka build, you MUST CC BREAK. you do have the stamina for it, trust me.

how to fight dodge:

all the undodgable skills(which have already been listed, therefore im not wasting time re-listing them) are more than enough to counter roll dodge spam. the only issue is that people can roll dodge seemingly endlessly while still having quite a bit of stamina left for using stamina based abilities(same situation for damage shield spam). This is because of no soft caps and regeneration skyrocketing, resulting in infinite resource builds killing the balance of the game. this is not a NB issue; EVERY CLASS can make an endless roll dodging based build. Stop scapegoating one class for the problems with the PvP system as a whole.

NBs have no reliable self heals and no class based damage shields, therefore NBs have low survivalbility, and often rely on stealth, CC(which is not like WoW CCs, where you cant fight it until endgame:/ here you can CC BREAK IT and get immunity for 8 seconds) and huge burst to survive. If you take away the NBs burst and stealth, the NB class will go back to what it was like at launch; weak and almost useless..

you are a DK, and have access to a reliable class based self heal, a luxury only 2 out of the 4 classes have. Get your block up, CC break any fears used, and heal thru the damage until the NB starts running out of resources, then counter attack. That is how you kill a NB, that is how I have killed other NBs with my NB and with other classes, play defensively and wait for an opening, then exploit the opening, power thru the NB and take them down quickly.

Now please stop asking for counters; counters have been provided many times, you just refuse to acknowledge them.

golfer.dub17_ESO

Cody wrote: »

counters have been provided many times, you just refuse to acknowledge them.

I'm not even talking about cloak at the moment...

However, the ones that have been provided regarding cloak I refuse to acknowledge because they involve buying items or grinding alliance / mage rank.

AoE is a valid counter. Class skills are valid counters. Not arguing that point.

block

See previous post.

Come people he asked for answers, got them, refuses to accept the truth, then goes back to bashing people for not giving him answers. He is a troll. If not, its like trying to teach a man with no arms to sword fight. Worst....player.....ever.....

Yeah okay, nice avatar by the way...

I'm done. Enjoy your 30k+ burst damage I guess.

This has been a giant waste of everyone's time.