Lethal Arrow - rage!!!

Kypho

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Hell I was killed by a freaking *22K* wrecking blow last night.

Physical damage is off the charts yet what are people clamoring for? Nerf Sorc shields lol.

These LolSnipers need to go play call of duty or something. Players 1-shotting each other is not the way the game should play.

Physical damage is stupid, people sitting with 4k weapon damage and armour does litteraly mothing.

Sorc shields themselfs aren´t that bad, harness magicka however is.

And i fully agree about lolsnipers. We need LESS instagibbing.

@johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO

9k hit with destrostaff heavy attack and physical damage is stupid? LAWL YESSSSS :D:D funny ppl here....

And about 22k WB.. hell yeah ofc. i eat 99959934939459349539459345k fartdamage in pvp belive me....


yessss your OPshield is not enough. you can only get 17k+ HP..... almost for free.... and you complain whit your 9k magic heavy attacks, 9k overload lightattack, 13k fragment, 8k+ curse, and 8k mine dmg.... WELLLL :D::D:D:D:D

squshy7

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

I hate snipe spam but understand its part of the game. Only two fixes I want from bows:

-Fix the health desync bug
-You should not be able to go back to stealth after using snipe (unless you use a pot or cloak)

i agree with that

bow desync is like 90% of my deaths, you say listen for the lethal arrow noise, well with the desync it doesnt happen until after you are walking around not able to use anything and then you are all of a suddenly dead. you can see it happen numerous times in my 'Growing Pains' video in the pvp combat section of this forum.

one of the most irritating things about bow right now is that you get hit by lethal arrow and the sniper just goes right back into sneak like he didnt even damage you (not cloak). then he comes and hits you with a second from sneak arrow. its just broken and needs to be fixed. if you damage someone you should not be able to restealth, the game should put you into combat. so many times im looking around to find the sniper and i catch them out of the corner of my eye going right back into sneak even though they almost one shot me.

if these 2 thing were fixed, i would actually be able to react like 50% of the time when it works properly and have a decent fight against these snipers.

If that's the case, and if it's happening regularly, then that's a bug that people have been able to replicate, not a feature of bow. I can tell you for certain that Snipe follows the same sneak attack rules as other attacks, as evidenced when I decided to slot snipe on my off bar.

Also, there's a nice advanced trick that good bow users do when their target is moving to make sure both shots happen from stealth, and at max range, and land nearly simultaneously. Its hard to pull off, involves rolling and shadow cloak, the right movement of the target, etc. Kittysoftpaws was showing off that one in TS

torinsoul

piotreb17_ESO4 wrote: »

I thought that Lethal Arrow was nerfed in 1.6, but I guess it's not and the damages it cause seems to be in par with the best Ultimates in the game.
I am on a horse with full stamina, and then I see a death recap like in the attached screenshots:


I am VR14 5 medium 2 heavy and it takes a second to shot me?! No fighting chance, and another 5 minutes travel to the battelfield.

Is there really only a two play styles available for PvP right now: shoot from behind and zerg? Sad times...

Snit

Kypho wrote: »

yessss your OPshield is not enough. you can only get 17k+ HP..... almost for free.... and you complain whit your 9k magic heavy attacks, 9k overload lightattack, 13k fragment, 8k+ curse, and 8k mine dmg.... WELLLL :D::D:D:D:D

Do you ever ask yourself, "Kypho, why is it that other nightblades can kill sorcerers, but I cannot?"

Do you wonder what they're doing differently, and whether you might be able to adjust your build, gear or technique to match them? Or is the best answer to nerf sorcs so that you needn't make any changes?

torinsoul

The problem isnt leather arrow.What they did was remove the soft cape and now there are endless ways to stack damage.As well you have to look at damage this way.In 1.5 the damage would of been 1.4k all the did was add .00 to the end of all numbers.They did this to make us feel stornger.So now instead of seening 1.4k now you see 14k.

Kypho

Snit wrote: »

Kypho wrote: »

yessss your OPshield is not enough. you can only get 17k+ HP..... almost for free.... and you complain whit your 9k magic heavy attacks, 9k overload lightattack, 13k fragment, 8k+ curse, and 8k mine dmg.... WELLLL :D::D:D:D:D

Do you ever ask yourself, "Kypho, why is it that other nightblades can kill sorcerers, but I cannot?"

Do you wonder what they're doing differently, and whether you might be able to adjust your build, gear or technique to match them? Or is the best answer to nerf sorcs so that you needn't make any changes?

Ask ppl about same who complain about snipe, what does almost the damage of a fragment, just fragment doesnt need stealth to boost the damage.

Before more rage: I dont use bow.

You can try to defend sorcerers, they are OP. Still they want to nerf physical damage, Sinpe, WB does same or less damage than Fragment. Curse, mine all does better damage than stamina attacks. Hardened ward gives high shield. And they still complain about 10k-13k snipe damage. Really..... and you say they have right? LoL.....

Ezareth

Kypho wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

Kypho wrote: »

yessss your OPshield is not enough. you can only get 17k+ HP..... almost for free.... and you complain whit your 9k magic heavy attacks, 9k overload lightattack, 13k fragment, 8k+ curse, and 8k mine dmg.... WELLLL :D::D:D:D:D

Do you ever ask yourself, "Kypho, why is it that other nightblades can kill sorcerers, but I cannot?"

Do you wonder what they're doing differently, and whether you might be able to adjust your build, gear or technique to match them? Or is the best answer to nerf sorcs so that you needn't make any changes?

Ask ppl about same who complain about snipe, what does almost the damage of a fragment, just fragment doesnt need stealth to boost the damage.

Before more rage: I dont use bow.

You can try to defend sorcerers, they are OP. Still they want to nerf physical damage, Sinpe, WB does same or less damage than Fragment. Curse, mine all does better damage than stamina attacks. Hardened ward gives high shield. And they still complain about 10k-13k snipe damage. Really..... and you say they have right? LoL.....

You've done nothing in this thread except make up numbers.

I don't know what game you're playing but my Crystal Fragment tooltip says 7K and it doesn't automatically crit like Lethal Arrow does from Stealth (only physical abilities do for some reason). With the Crystal frag proc, might of the guild, and the +20% spellpower buff I can get 14K against a freaking naked target.

Curse hits for roughly the same amount, as do mines (Which are 100% avoidable).

I havent been sniped for 10-13K yet. When I notice snipe it is 16-18K. I notice it because it's the only ability on my death recap.

The chief issue at hand is everyone now shares all players have very high magickal defenses now but light armor wearers have next to no physical damage.

There are also far far more force multipliers for physical damage abilities than there are magicka abilities.

Just look in the champion passive trees at all the phyiscal damage passives
Increases the damage of your next weapon attack by 30% after blocking a heavy attack.
Sets enemies off balance when you successfully roll dodge to avoid their attack.
Increases your damage against off balance enemies by 10%.
Increases the damage of your next physical attack by 15% after you interrupt a target.
Reduces the Stamina cost of abilities by 80% for 3 seconds after breaking free of a stun, knockdown, fear, disorient, or stagger.


Plus you guys can put all of your champion damage points into a single tree while a sorc has to split his points between two trees - Elemental Mastery and Thaumaturge.

As a magicka user we get a single damage boosting ability - Might of Guild.
My magicka damage force multipliers other than that are available.

Xsorus

You know you can run radiant Mage light and completely negate sneak attack right?

Ezareth

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

You know you can run radiant Mage light and completely negate sneak attack right?

Yes I should have to use 2 (or 3) slots on my bars to reduce(not completely negate) the bonus damage done by someone attacking from stealth. But wait....radiant doesn't work through my damage shields since those abilities can't crit anyways.

When they make toggle abilities persist through weapon swap I'll consider using them. If you've ever seen me play you'll notice I weapon swap once every 2 or 3 seconds or less. The only ability worth a slot on all of my bars is bolt escape, and that is because Weapon swap can't be trusted.

AaronMB

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

You know you can run radiant Mage light and completely negate sneak attack right?

Are you suggesting that it's an option for a reason? Crazy talk.

Kypho

torinsoul wrote: »

The problem isnt leather arrow.What they did was remove the soft cape and now there are endless ways to stack damage.As well you have to look at damage this way.In 1.5 the damage would of been 1.4k all the did was add .00 to the end of all numbers.They did this to make us feel stornger.So now instead of seening 1.4k now you see 14k.

Ezareth wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

You know you can run radiant Mage light and completely negate sneak attack right?

Yes I should have to use 2 (or 3) slots on my bars to reduce(not completely negate) the bonus damage done by someone attacking from stealth. But wait....radiant doesn't work through my damage shields since those abilities can't crit anyways.

When they make toggle abilities persist through weapon swap I'll consider using them. If you've ever seen me play you'll notice I weapon swap once every 2 or 3 seconds or less. The only ability worth a slot on all of my bars is bolt escape, and that is because Weapon swap can't be trusted.

Awesomecerer does not need magelight at all.

Olysja

this thread is useless. post dmg without posting equip has no sense. show your armor blue?purple?gold? traits? your rank, your hp, the potion you use, post all or nothing. never recived more than 8k from a snipe and never died for 2 consecutive snipes as medium armor user 10h+/day of pvp.

Hypertionb14_ESO

the whole idea of a sniper is being able to deal a lot of damage at long range. even irl modern snipers are utterly outclassed if you get inside closer ranges.

people complain about snipers in every video game where range matters.... "*** you and your noob one shot crap" is typical and completely ignores what it takes to make this work.

No snipe caster will last long if thats their only tactic, and if you are expecting it its actually extremely easy to avoid and survive through.

stop complaining about getting ganked tho, because that just means you are expecting to run in PvP without ever dying, which really shows you dont get the gametype at all.

In PvP...

You..

Will..

Die..

Vizier

piotreb17_ESO4 wrote: »

Roechacca wrote: »

Dodge roll cleanse rinse n repeat

Maybe I did not make it clear - the screen shots are only form the situations when I am on a horse with full stamina and next second I see that death recap screen.
If you know a trick how to dodge roll and cleanse from a death recap screen, you would be my saviour and personal hero ;-)

shrug. Get off your horse. Train Stamina for riding skills. There is no free pass just because you are on a horse. And the notion you should have some chance to react if you are engaged in an activity that limits your reaction time, (cough) like riding a horse. (cough).

Anticipate. Be ready to jump off and rolldodge or cast a shield or something. Additionally you can hear the snipe arrow coming. Considering the overall dps from different skills and classes in the game I really have no sympathy there. The damage is not the problem. You not building to counter snipers is. Every class can stealth. Use it. If you run out of stamina. oh well, put more into stamina. Welcome to my world.

Tankqull

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

the whole idea of a sniper is being able to deal a lot of damage at long range. even irl modern snipers are utterly outclassed if you get inside closer ranges.

people complain about snipers in every video game where range matters.... "*** you and your noob one shot crap" is typical and completely ignores what it takes to make this work.

No snipe caster will last long if thats their only tactic, and if you are expecting it its actually extremely easy to avoid and survive through.

stop complaining about getting ganked tho, because that just means you are expecting to run in PvP without ever dying, which really shows you dont get the gametype at all.

In PvP...

You..

Will..

Die..

well i have no problem with dying have had my fare share of it in every mmo i´ve played.
the problem with eso bows is that they have absolutly no downside. in DAoC e.g. the hihgest hitting bow attack powershot had an range reciproce dmg increase, so the closer you come to your target the more dmg were dealt while on max range the dmg was neglectable in closecombat the dmg was awesome.
in ESO the highest hitting dmg ability has an at least 30% hihger range than any other ability available whgile doing 50%+ more dmg than other range abilities - not even mentioning 95% of melee abilities doing less dmg and that is simply wrong.
range advantages have to go hand in hand with dmg disadvantages and that is in case of the bow simply not happening.

Kypho

Tankqull wrote: »

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

the whole idea of a sniper is being able to deal a lot of damage at long range. even irl modern snipers are utterly outclassed if you get inside closer ranges.

people complain about snipers in every video game where range matters.... "*** you and your noob one shot crap" is typical and completely ignores what it takes to make this work.

No snipe caster will last long if thats their only tactic, and if you are expecting it its actually extremely easy to avoid and survive through.

stop complaining about getting ganked tho, because that just means you are expecting to run in PvP without ever dying, which really shows you dont get the gametype at all.

In PvP...

You..

Will..

Die..

well i have no problem with dying have had my fare share of it in every mmo i´ve played.
the problem with eso bows is that they have absolutly no downside. in DAoC e.g. the hihgest hitting bow attack powershot had an range reciproce dmg increase, so the closer you come to your target the more dmg were dealt while on max range the dmg was neglectable in closecombat the dmg was awesome.
in ESO the highest hitting dmg ability has an at least 30% hihger range than any other ability available whgile doing 50%+ more dmg than other range abilities - not even mentioning 95% of melee abilities doing less dmg and that is simply wrong.
range advantages have to go hand in hand with dmg disadvantages and that is in case of the bow simply not happening.

BS. you can hide the fact, that fragment has cast time like snipe, ranged, but hit same or higher sometimes, but its still does that.
WB does same, not better than fragment from OPshieldspammer complainerclass.
Complain that not only your overpowered spammagic damage does not 2 times more than physical attack lol

You all forget the fact: Stamina is for attack, roll, block, move in stealth. Magicka: Spamm the hell and spam more, and spam after that. And good specced spell damage is much higher than stamina.


Average sniper vs average magicka: Sniper attack, depleting stamina, and high physical damage is low magicka, so cant heal effectively, cant spam OP spell damage. Magicka: Spam ward, spam heal, spam spam and spam the spamed spam spell attacks.

24k spell resist and still 10k+ fragment hit. 10k armor, and i got MAX 10k snipe on me from STEALTH attack. most are 6k-8k max. so whine as much as you want, magicka is much more effective than stamina.
(Thx zos, snipe can be instant with proc.... ohh wait it cant, WB can...ohh wait it cant. )

olsborg

Derra wrote: »

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

That said: I hate stealth gameplay with a passion and hope that one day it won´t be vaible anymore. I´d trade bolt escape for that.

Funny that. I really don't like the whole out in the open sustain, resource management, shield stacking game play. I start to get jumpy if I don't see a closed eye. That said, I'm not a fan of the bow sniping for 12k play style either. I only wish I could get solid 12k hits from concealed weapon. My magicka melee NB has been gimped into Oblivion. Plus I've got to get close and worry about all the anti-stealth/invis counter measures.

That´s why i hunt down those backstabbing scumbags with all the detect pots i can drink :P.

Hehe oh i might just get some detect pots myself, I do love to slay me some glasscannongankcowards

cozmon3c_ESO

i pop detect pots all day long to fight off the hordes of lol snipers everywhere.

Kypho

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

i pop detect pots all day long to fight off the hordes of lol snipers everywhere.

i want anti noobshield spam pot. and anti 8k-10k overload lightattacks. you can do lot light attack, more than 40k dmg funny stuff.... the opcerers arent OP. Snipe is...

Tankqull

Kypho wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

the whole idea of a sniper is being able to deal a lot of damage at long range. even irl modern snipers are utterly outclassed if you get inside closer ranges.

people complain about snipers in every video game where range matters.... "*** you and your noob one shot crap" is typical and completely ignores what it takes to make this work.

No snipe caster will last long if thats their only tactic, and if you are expecting it its actually extremely easy to avoid and survive through.

stop complaining about getting ganked tho, because that just means you are expecting to run in PvP without ever dying, which really shows you dont get the gametype at all.

In PvP...

You..

Will..

Die..

well i have no problem with dying have had my fare share of it in every mmo i´ve played.
the problem with eso bows is that they have absolutly no downside. in DAoC e.g. the hihgest hitting bow attack powershot had an range reciproce dmg increase, so the closer you come to your target the more dmg were dealt while on max range the dmg was neglectable in closecombat the dmg was awesome.
in ESO the highest hitting dmg ability has an at least 30% hihger range than any other ability available whgile doing 50%+ more dmg than other range abilities - not even mentioning 95% of melee abilities doing less dmg and that is simply wrong.
range advantages have to go hand in hand with dmg disadvantages and that is in case of the bow simply not happening.

BS. you can hide the fact, that fragment has cast time like snipe, ranged, but hit same or higher sometimes, but its still does that.
WB does same, not better than fragment from OPshieldspammer complainerclass.
Complain that not only your overpowered spammagic damage does not 2 times more than physical attack lol

to gain a comparable dmg of snipe with frags you have to have two procs active while the snipe needs nothing if he´s abusing buffs like rally on top of that its even impossible.

You all forget the fact: Stamina is for attack, roll, block, move in stealth. Magicka: Spamm the hell and spam more, and spam after that. And good specced spell damage is much higher than stamina.

with your words BS stamina is as much used defensively as magica but i do not recive the same magica cost reductions for defensively used magica as a stamina user got for his ability.

Average sniper vs average magicka: Sniper attack, depleting stamina, and high physical damage is low magicka, so cant heal effectively, cant spam OP spell damage. Magicka: Spam ward, spam heal, spam spam and spam the spamed spam spell attacks.

such a nonsense stam,ina abilities are roughly 25% less expensive than their magica counterparts so stop babbling such a nonsense

24k spell resist and still 10k+ fragment hit. 10k armor, and i got MAX 10k snipe on me from STEALTH attack. most are 6k-8k max. so whine as much as you want, magicka is much more effective than stamina.

are you playing on the non vet campain? that woul explain alot dmg wise ^^

(Thx zos, snipe can be instant with proc.... ohh wait it cant, WB can...ohh wait it cant. )

ha the first true words ...

Snit

Kypho wrote: »

i want anti noobshield spam pot. and anti 8k-10k overload lightattacks

Do you have a dodge button? Overload is a slow moving, highly visible projectile. If you had a dodge button, you could dodge it.

I have a dodge button. It's awesome.

If you don't have a dodge button, you should probably get that looked at. Oh... and it's not the same thing as a belly button. Or a big red button or a Benjamin Button. This button, when you push it, makes you dodge!

Grim13

Snit wrote: »

Kypho wrote: »

i want anti noobshield spam pot. and anti 8k-10k overload lightattacks

Do you have a dodge button? Overload is a slow moving, highly visible projectile. If you had a dodge button, you could dodge it.

I have a dodge button. It's awesome.

If you don't have a dodge button, you should probably get that looked at. Oh... and it's not the same thing as a belly button. Or a big red button or a Benjamin Button. This button, when you push it, makes you dodge!

Well, that's not entirely true... just like Swarm, overload is often one of the first things culled and thus is often invisible onscreen.

*..now back to our regularly scheduled smearing...*

Soris

Got some too:)




And one from PvE zone


Bonus


Totally balanced game, no doubt
Pew Pew

TheLaw

I can't deny this. It's not fun getting 1 shot (2 shot). With stealth lethal arrow, there is no skill required and often no way for the combatant to react in a bad situation.

Olysja

Soris_ESO wrote: »

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post your equip, gold? traits? weap. all. those are dmg just a lvl 10 can take.

rfennell_ESO

There are "snipers" out there that are hitting geared opponents with 3 lethal arrows in less than a second and the death log looks like 15k 6k 13k.

The uniformed says things like "animation cancelling" or try and condone broken gameplay with some tactical explanation.

It's not animation cancelling, there is no light or heavy attack in the attack sequence. It's 3 lethal arrow shots nearly instantly.

Two crits and nearly anyone is dying, which isn't a stretch in that medium armor can easily get to stupid ridiculous levels of crit.

You come here and the disinformation campaign is hard at work claiming otherwise.

Soris

Olysja wrote: »

Soris_ESO wrote: »

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post your equip, gold? traits? weap. all. those are dmg just a lvl 10 can take.

Level 10? Well, If you say so... But I have spent enough time in this game to know how to gear up properly. Yet no gear is available to prevent these hits.

Ezareth

Grim13 wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

Kypho wrote: »

i want anti noobshield spam pot. and anti 8k-10k overload lightattacks

Do you have a dodge button? Overload is a slow moving, highly visible projectile. If you had a dodge button, you could dodge it.

I have a dodge button. It's awesome.

If you don't have a dodge button, you should probably get that looked at. Oh... and it's not the same thing as a belly button. Or a big red button or a Benjamin Button. This button, when you push it, makes you dodge!

Well, that's not entirely true... just like Swarm, overload is often one of the first things culled and thus is often invisible onscreen.

*..now back to our regularly scheduled smearing...*

I've been attacked by a lot of scrub sorcs trying to cast power overload on me. I can count on 1 hand the number of times it has killed me and it has never been in a solo situation. If I die to Power overload 19 times out of 20 it is my own overload as I stacked a few balls on a player before realizing they were a DK and their wings flapped a second before the first ball hit.

I've seen every single overload ball every thrown at me unless I was hit in the back by one from a blind spot.

Ezareth

Olysja wrote: »

Soris_ESO wrote: »

....

post your equip, gold? traits? weap. all. those are dmg just a lvl 10 can take.

I was getting hit for 17K+ Lethal arrows from Kittysoftpaws and other NBs wearing full Legendary VR14 Light armor with a Reinforced Legendary VR14 Shield.

The screenshots posted so far are weak.

Kypho

Hahh still complain about snipe damage, while sorcs have the way to eliminate those damage, AND deal same or more DPS than ANY other class. Your damage output is INSANE. NO other can do that, not even 23k snipe.