Nightblades Nerfed... Just what they needed huh?

ThisOnePosts · October 2014

Nightblades are lethal at times. However there is no consistency to some of their most vital skills therefore making them less than ideal compared to the other 3 classes in almost all situations other than a 1v1 stealth gank situation.

What NBs need more than anything is a revisit to some of their useless skills which there are more of than there are useless skills for the other 3 classes --- not to mention once and for all fix what's broken.

Signed,

VR14 NB/Sorc/DK/Templar

eventide03b14a_ESO · October 2014

Satiar wrote: »

Nah, Stamina NBs are unharmed by this change. This patch buffs the hell out of us.

Think of it like this: build your NB around everything but stealth. Stealth openers we have always with us, we don't need to build around that. Build for balanced burst and sustain. If I am able to go ahead and get that heavy attack off from stealth, great. I just crit you for 15-1600. But I don't make that my focus, and my build doesn't rely on it to win.

The more we NBs work on making ourselves viable in open combat the better. The more we build around stealth the more easily counter-able we are.

I haven't played with the new changes yet, but unless they actually give us some real defensive buffs then we will always be in this situation where we need to kill them fast or otherwise we are screwed. I'm sorry but I have yet to see Blur as being anything truly useful and our bonus to armor and resistance coming out of invisibility is just too short. People call sorcerers glass cannons but they get some really great defensive buffs. In fact every class except nightblade get's really great defensive buffs. I wish people would take that into consideration before they post that it effects all stealth users equally.

eventide03b14a_ESO · October 2014

Mumyo wrote: »

@LilChihuahua

Ur passives are better than many other class skills. That staminareg for instance.
Also Blur is an awesome skill which has to be combined with other skills im sure u never specced yet.
Ur arguments show me that you didn't really get into ur class yet so you should try some playstyles before crying. You just mentioned awesome skills as crap.

I would be interested in how you use Blur and what you combine it with to make it effective.

eventide03b14a_ESO · October 2014

Durham wrote: »

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

Kego wrote: »

And I bet, the way ZOS treats us NBs, they will fix Radiant Mage Light and than we deal less DMG out of Hidden than from an unhidden status...

Jacques Berge wrote: »

I usually don't rage. But, if they make it so RML applies to cloaked attacks I will absolutey lose my shirt.

I totally agree, it's a major and direct nerf to Nightblades. Some how, for some reason, it's totally fine for DK's and Temps to heal to full while perma-blocking though.

There are numinous ways to hinder stealth attack damage already but apparently we can't have DK's dying, that's just crazy talk.

This and changes to Death Stroke just makes me face palm, I may as well be playing a DK.

In the high end duels NBs are taking out DKs with out surprise...just saying...One of the better DKs will tell you that even he thinks he would beat out his DK with a NB..... Trust me the grass is no greener as a DK... I will say this i think most DKs play with one bar and they are the easiest classes to be decent at... I think most people see this aspect ....

PvP as it is right now is not centered around duels though. Nightblades do awesome against a single target, but multiple enemies are another story.

Erock25 · October 2014

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

Kego wrote: »

And I bet, the way ZOS treats us NBs, they will fix Radiant Mage Light and than we deal less DMG out of Hidden than from an unhidden status...

Jacques Berge wrote: »

I usually don't rage. But, if they make it so RML applies to cloaked attacks I will absolutey lose my shirt.

I totally agree, it's a major and direct nerf to Nightblades. Some how, for some reason, it's totally fine for DK's and Temps to heal to full while perma-blocking though.

There are numinous ways to hinder stealth attack damage already but apparently we can't have DK's dying, that's just crazy talk.

This and changes to Death Stroke just makes me face palm, I may as well be playing a DK.

In the high end duels NBs are taking out DKs with out surprise...just saying...One of the better DKs will tell you that even he thinks he would beat out his DK with a NB..... Trust me the grass is no greener as a DK... I will say this i think most DKs play with one bar and they are the easiest classes to be decent at... I think most people see this aspect ....

PvP as it is right now is not centered around duels though. Nightblades do awesome against a single target, but multiple enemies are another story.

I can't understand why this myth that NB isn't good against multiple enemies is still persisting. Please refer to the below quote for some good examples why this isn't true.

Varicite wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

You guys ever seen that one player that can just take on 5 or 6 enemies and just stand there and kill some of them, before finally....MAYBE enough surround him that he slowly drops in health and dies?

You guys ever seen that?
NEVER ONCE has that been a night blade.

Never say never. There's far more than one way to play a NB. Stealth-focused is probably the worst way, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtXSIbxy2nI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5mRXoob1T8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MjoXYsPLYY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSqW-N1dKgw

NBs will be just fine after the changes go live. They are hardly the "weakest class", that is just bad perception that's been carried forward since some people said this during 1.0. It wasn't true back then and still isn't true today.

There are still a few (very few) issues w/ some passives and 1 ability that need to be cleaned up, but all in all, the class is still very strong in the right hands.

I come across more broken animation issues than anything on my NBs, tbh.

MrGhosty · October 2014

Mumyo wrote: »

LilChihuahua wrote: »

PTS Patch Notes v1.5.1
Combat & Gameplay
General
•Reduced the amount of bonus damage provided by stealthed attacks against other player characters.

The number one thing which NBs rely on for PvP is getting nerfed. NB are already considered the weakest at PvP and now this? Now it will be even more impossible to take down a 3k+ health DK DPS-Tank. This would only be acceptable if the NB assassination passive Hemorrhage was increased to offset this nerf.

In case u are not able to play ur class properly you should ask for advice in the forums.
When YOU can't kill a DK you should talk to some really good NBs first and know your role and advantages on the battlefield first.

Complaining about balance as the first option brings true imbalance into the game.
Srsly i just know like 2 good nightblades on the EU server and its not a problem at all to slay dks in dueling situations.

What comes next? The typical "i want a shield like Templar" QQ?
Learn ur advantages. OMG!

One could argue that one of the NB's "advantages" would be the many passives and skills that directly relate and base off of stealth.

One could then also argue that while stealth can be used by all classes, the Nightblades rely on its benefits the most, so a nerf to stealth can be shorthanded to "nerf to Nightblades"

Yes there are some players who have tuned their build specifically to sitting in stealth between two contentious points on the map and wait until the absolute best target comes by and the attack. I would like to point out though, these NBs are rarely alone and often accompanied by Sorcs and DK who use their own abilities and weapon abilities to put just as much damage on players as their NB counterparts. The long and short is, you don't need a NB to be a lazy ganker. For the rest of us Nightblades who actually want to contribute to the fight at keeps or other situations a nerf to stealth hurts us and we have just as much of a right to be upset by that as others get upset when powers they rely on in a build they spent months leveling to a specific purprose do.

Btw, I would gladly trade some that stealth damage boost in return for having more survivability on the battlefield so that getting locked out of stealth due to being detected or trapped or anything else wasn't an immediate death sentence in larger fights.

It seems to be the NB has two roles within the meta of PvP, stealth scouts and single target takedowns. Little by little, the good we can do is whittled down and heaven forbid we express our disappointment, or we're just told to learn how to play or other insulting/belittling statements. Yes there are "easy builds" based around NB but there are just as many if not more based around Sorcs and DKs yet Sorcs and DKs remain just as strong while NBs are becoming marginalized. If this is all being done in the sake of balance, why don't they just drop user created builds and go to ready made classes when you enter Cyrodiil?

zhevon · October 2014

MrGhosty wrote: »

Btw, I would gladly trade some that stealth damage boost in return for having more survivability on the battlefield so that getting locked out of stealth due to being detected or trapped or anything else wasn't an immediate death sentence in larger fights.

Agreed ... durabilty and/or boost of other defenses would be great, since stealth is randomly (or not so randomly) borked. Give us these passives (working of course) instead of our stealth passives.

Frankly I don't care about PvP(at least not now). But this whole thing is symptomatic of the history of the NB. I am tired of hearing LTP when I have to re-LTP every 2-3 weeks because some didn't work the same as it did.

Is this the only "mechanic" that behaves differently between PvP and PvE? Just curious.

eventide03b14a_ESO · October 2014

Erock25 wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

Kego wrote: »

And I bet, the way ZOS treats us NBs, they will fix Radiant Mage Light and than we deal less DMG out of Hidden than from an unhidden status...

Jacques Berge wrote: »

I usually don't rage. But, if they make it so RML applies to cloaked attacks I will absolutey lose my shirt.

I totally agree, it's a major and direct nerf to Nightblades. Some how, for some reason, it's totally fine for DK's and Temps to heal to full while perma-blocking though.

There are numinous ways to hinder stealth attack damage already but apparently we can't have DK's dying, that's just crazy talk.

This and changes to Death Stroke just makes me face palm, I may as well be playing a DK.

In the high end duels NBs are taking out DKs with out surprise...just saying...One of the better DKs will tell you that even he thinks he would beat out his DK with a NB..... Trust me the grass is no greener as a DK... I will say this i think most DKs play with one bar and they are the easiest classes to be decent at... I think most people see this aspect ....

PvP as it is right now is not centered around duels though. Nightblades do awesome against a single target, but multiple enemies are another story.

I can't understand why this myth that NB isn't good against multiple enemies is still persisting. Please refer to the below quote for some good examples why this isn't true.

Varicite wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

You guys ever seen that one player that can just take on 5 or 6 enemies and just stand there and kill some of them, before finally....MAYBE enough surround him that he slowly drops in health and dies?

You guys ever seen that?
NEVER ONCE has that been a night blade.

Never say never. There's far more than one way to play a NB. Stealth-focused is probably the worst way, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtXSIbxy2nI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5mRXoob1T8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MjoXYsPLYY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSqW-N1dKgw

NBs will be just fine after the changes go live. They are hardly the "weakest class", that is just bad perception that's been carried forward since some people said this during 1.0. It wasn't true back then and still isn't true today.

There are still a few (very few) issues w/ some passives and 1 ability that need to be cleaned up, but all in all, the class is still very strong in the right hands.

I come across more broken animation issues than anything on my NBs, tbh.

These videos have something distinctly in common, restoration staff and robe. Is there anything specifically about nightblades that makes them good against multiple opponents? A nightblade against 3 or 4 opponents who rush at them in melee doesn't stand a very good chance all things being equal. Seriously, fear only works on two opponents at a time and there is no way you are counting on Blur as your only real defensive buff to stay alive. These guys are not doing well by merit of being a nightblade.

khele23eb17_ESO · October 2014

Varicite wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

You guys ever seen that one player that can just take on 5 or 6 enemies and just stand there and kill some of them, before finally....MAYBE enough surround him that he slowly drops in health and dies?

You guys ever seen that?
NEVER ONCE has that been a night blade.

Never say never. There's far more than one way to play a NB. Stealth-focused is probably the worst way, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtXSIbxy2nI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5mRXoob1T8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MjoXYsPLYY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSqW-N1dKgw

NBs will be just fine after the changes go live. They are hardly the "weakest class", that is just bad perception that's been carried forward since some people said this during 1.0. It wasn't true back then and still isn't true today.

There are still a few (very few) issues w/ some passives and 1 ability that need to be cleaned up, but all in all, the class is still very strong in the right hands.

I come across more broken animation issues than anything on my NBs, tbh.

What about the people who rolled the class to play... you know a NB? The class presented to us on the class selection screen. The one 'relying on stealth, mobility and blades'.

Varicite · October 2014

MrGhosty wrote: »

One could argue that one of the NB's "advantages" would be the many passives and skills that directly relate and base off of stealth.

There are 2 passives and 1 skill based off of stealth.

That is not what I would call "many". More than the other classes for sure, but not even remotely close to "many".

I said it before, and I'll say it again, basing your NB on stealth is probably the weakest possible viable build that you can choose.

I already posted plenty of vids showing NBs excelling at 1vX and 1v1, playing defensively despite our class' weak defenses and winning, and of course doing the thing we do best, which is bursting the snot out of people.

NBs excel at every facet of this game. If your NB doesn't, it's purely because of the choices that you've made.

Varicite · October 2014

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

These videos have something distinctly in common, restoration staff and robe. Is there anything specifically about nightblades that makes them good against multiple opponents? A nightblade against 3 or 4 opponents who rush at them in melee doesn't stand a very good chance all things being equal. Seriously, fear only works on two opponents at a time and there is no way you are counting on Blur as your only real defensive buff to stay alive. These guys are not doing well by merit of being a nightblade.

Our class, more than others, depends on weapon skills and passives to make up for the gaps in our class skills. However, our class skills generally provide unique utility that can't be found on other classes, whereas other class' great PvP skills tend to be very similar outside of things like Streak, Reflective Scales, etc.

We don't have a shield or great defenses, so we need to make up for these w/ either insane burst builds or builds that take advantage of our other greatest strength, which is incredible sustain.

Some choose to go burst, others choose to sustain. But let's not get confused here, the sustain builds can also burst well in addition to surviving. This is generally not the case for builds focused solely on burst, which makes them weaker, imo.

NBs also boast the highest Ult generation of any class via their Siphoning skill tree, and an incredibly useful high-damage AoE stun + single-target health drain. You can easily power this Ult in group battles through the use of Drain Power's morphs.

As for 3-4 people rushing you, well, 3-4 people who are as skilled as you are will kill you no matter what. If they are not too hot at PvP, then you can just hit your fear... again. I know, crazy. If they really want to stay on you in melee, turtle up and pop VoB and if they don't get away from you, at least one of them will die. You'll see this in the 1vX videos I posted, as well. But please make no mistake, the vast majority of 1vX videos are against bad players who make mistakes.

Basically, there's only one thing keeping the NB back from being able to unleash most of this pain and utility, and that's simple survivability.

And that, my friend, is why you see so many S&B/Resto NBs running around, because the only thing the NB really needs is defenses to keep dishing out our pain train, and that is the most defensive combo in the game.

After all, it's not like the resto staff or S&B is killing anybody on their own. Obviously it's the NB skills themselves that are carrying the day.

Erock25 · October 2014

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

Kego wrote: »

And I bet, the way ZOS treats us NBs, they will fix Radiant Mage Light and than we deal less DMG out of Hidden than from an unhidden status...

Jacques Berge wrote: »

I usually don't rage. But, if they make it so RML applies to cloaked attacks I will absolutey lose my shirt.

I totally agree, it's a major and direct nerf to Nightblades. Some how, for some reason, it's totally fine for DK's and Temps to heal to full while perma-blocking though.

There are numinous ways to hinder stealth attack damage already but apparently we can't have DK's dying, that's just crazy talk.

This and changes to Death Stroke just makes me face palm, I may as well be playing a DK.

In the high end duels NBs are taking out DKs with out surprise...just saying...One of the better DKs will tell you that even he thinks he would beat out his DK with a NB..... Trust me the grass is no greener as a DK... I will say this i think most DKs play with one bar and they are the easiest classes to be decent at... I think most people see this aspect ....

PvP as it is right now is not centered around duels though. Nightblades do awesome against a single target, but multiple enemies are another story.

I can't understand why this myth that NB isn't good against multiple enemies is still persisting. Please refer to the below quote for some good examples why this isn't true.

Varicite wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

You guys ever seen that one player that can just take on 5 or 6 enemies and just stand there and kill some of them, before finally....MAYBE enough surround him that he slowly drops in health and dies?

You guys ever seen that?
NEVER ONCE has that been a night blade.

Never say never. There's far more than one way to play a NB. Stealth-focused is probably the worst way, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtXSIbxy2nI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5mRXoob1T8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MjoXYsPLYY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSqW-N1dKgw

NBs will be just fine after the changes go live. They are hardly the "weakest class", that is just bad perception that's been carried forward since some people said this during 1.0. It wasn't true back then and still isn't true today.

There are still a few (very few) issues w/ some passives and 1 ability that need to be cleaned up, but all in all, the class is still very strong in the right hands.

I come across more broken animation issues than anything on my NBs, tbh.

These videos have something distinctly in common, restoration staff and robe. Is there anything specifically about nightblades that makes them good against multiple opponents? A nightblade against 3 or 4 opponents who rush at them in melee doesn't stand a very good chance all things being equal. Seriously, fear only works on two opponents at a time and there is no way you are counting on Blur as your only real defensive buff to stay alive. These guys are not doing well by merit of being a nightblade.

Do you notice all of the NB skills all of these videos use? A lot.

Seriously you NB whiners can not be appeased. News flash is my stamina sorc can't take on groups either. You choose to spec you NB in a 1v1 fashion and then whine on the forums that you can't take on multiple opponents. It is mind boggling. Class skills use magicka so learn to use your class skills or find a new game.

"NB do awesome against single target but multiple enemies is another story"

I show you multiple videos of NB kicking ass and taking names

"Yeah but he didn't do it in my spec so it is invalid"

So change your damn spec or realize you can only focus on 1v1.

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

You guys ever seen that one player that can just take on 5 or 6 enemies and just stand there and kill some of them, before finally....MAYBE enough surround him that he slowly drops in health and dies?

You guys ever seen that?
NEVER ONCE has that been a night blade.

Never say never. There's far more than one way to play a NB. Stealth-focused is probably the worst way, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtXSIbxy2nI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5mRXoob1T8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MjoXYsPLYY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSqW-N1dKgw

NBs will be just fine after the changes go live. They are hardly the "weakest class", that is just bad perception that's been carried forward since some people said this during 1.0. It wasn't true back then and still isn't true today.

There are still a few (very few) issues w/ some passives and 1 ability that need to be cleaned up, but all in all, the class is still very strong in the right hands.

I come across more broken animation issues than anything on my NBs, tbh.

What about the people who rolled the class to play... you know a NB? The class presented to us on the class selection screen. The one 'relying on stealth, mobility and blades'.

So yeah ... play it like that then. Here is some stealth, mobility, and blades

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGL60kiksVY . And no, this guy losing 5-10% of his stealth dmg will not affect his build.

khele23eb17_ESO · October 2014

Erock25 wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

Kego wrote: »

And I bet, the way ZOS treats us NBs, they will fix Radiant Mage Light and than we deal less DMG out of Hidden than from an unhidden status...

Jacques Berge wrote: »

I usually don't rage. But, if they make it so RML applies to cloaked attacks I will absolutey lose my shirt.

I totally agree, it's a major and direct nerf to Nightblades. Some how, for some reason, it's totally fine for DK's and Temps to heal to full while perma-blocking though.

There are numinous ways to hinder stealth attack damage already but apparently we can't have DK's dying, that's just crazy talk.

This and changes to Death Stroke just makes me face palm, I may as well be playing a DK.

In the high end duels NBs are taking out DKs with out surprise...just saying...One of the better DKs will tell you that even he thinks he would beat out his DK with a NB..... Trust me the grass is no greener as a DK... I will say this i think most DKs play with one bar and they are the easiest classes to be decent at... I think most people see this aspect ....

PvP as it is right now is not centered around duels though. Nightblades do awesome against a single target, but multiple enemies are another story.

I can't understand why this myth that NB isn't good against multiple enemies is still persisting. Please refer to the below quote for some good examples why this isn't true.

Varicite wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

You guys ever seen that one player that can just take on 5 or 6 enemies and just stand there and kill some of them, before finally....MAYBE enough surround him that he slowly drops in health and dies?

You guys ever seen that?
NEVER ONCE has that been a night blade.

Never say never. There's far more than one way to play a NB. Stealth-focused is probably the worst way, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtXSIbxy2nI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5mRXoob1T8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MjoXYsPLYY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSqW-N1dKgw

NBs will be just fine after the changes go live. They are hardly the "weakest class", that is just bad perception that's been carried forward since some people said this during 1.0. It wasn't true back then and still isn't true today.

There are still a few (very few) issues w/ some passives and 1 ability that need to be cleaned up, but all in all, the class is still very strong in the right hands.

I come across more broken animation issues than anything on my NBs, tbh.

These videos have something distinctly in common, restoration staff and robe. Is there anything specifically about nightblades that makes them good against multiple opponents? A nightblade against 3 or 4 opponents who rush at them in melee doesn't stand a very good chance all things being equal. Seriously, fear only works on two opponents at a time and there is no way you are counting on Blur as your only real defensive buff to stay alive. These guys are not doing well by merit of being a nightblade.

Do you notice all of the NB skills all of these videos use? A lot.

Seriously you NB whiners can not be appeased. News flash is my stamina sorc can't take on groups either. You choose to spec you NB in a 1v1 fashion and then whine on the forums that you can't take on multiple opponents. It is mind boggling. Class skills use magicka so learn to use your class skills or find a new game.

"NB do awesome against single target but multiple enemies is another story"
I show you multiple videos of NB kicking ass and taking names
"Yeah but he didn't do it in my spec so it is invalid"
So change your damn spec or realize you can only focus on 1v1.

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

You guys ever seen that one player that can just take on 5 or 6 enemies and just stand there and kill some of them, before finally....MAYBE enough surround him that he slowly drops in health and dies?

You guys ever seen that?
NEVER ONCE has that been a night blade.

Never say never. There's far more than one way to play a NB. Stealth-focused is probably the worst way, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtXSIbxy2nI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5mRXoob1T8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MjoXYsPLYY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSqW-N1dKgw

NBs will be just fine after the changes go live. They are hardly the "weakest class", that is just bad perception that's been carried forward since some people said this during 1.0. It wasn't true back then and still isn't true today.

There are still a few (very few) issues w/ some passives and 1 ability that need to be cleaned up, but all in all, the class is still very strong in the right hands.

I come across more broken animation issues than anything on my NBs, tbh.

What about the people who rolled the class to play... you know a NB? The class presented to us on the class selection screen. The one 'relying on stealth, mobility and blades'.

So yeah ... play it like that then. Here is some stealth, mobility, and blades http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGL60kiksVY . And no, this guy losing 5-10% of his stealth dmg will not affect his build.

No thats resto staff not blades. And with the dmg bonus from resto staff gone, hes doing not 5-10% less but 20% less stealth damage. Thats one. Two... he should show a few attempts at attacking people in impenetrable gear who arent riding horses or engaging someone else in combat and actually use block.

Erock25 · October 2014

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

Kego wrote: »

And I bet, the way ZOS treats us NBs, they will fix Radiant Mage Light and than we deal less DMG out of Hidden than from an unhidden status...

Jacques Berge wrote: »

I usually don't rage. But, if they make it so RML applies to cloaked attacks I will absolutey lose my shirt.

I totally agree, it's a major and direct nerf to Nightblades. Some how, for some reason, it's totally fine for DK's and Temps to heal to full while perma-blocking though.

There are numinous ways to hinder stealth attack damage already but apparently we can't have DK's dying, that's just crazy talk.

This and changes to Death Stroke just makes me face palm, I may as well be playing a DK.

In the high end duels NBs are taking out DKs with out surprise...just saying...One of the better DKs will tell you that even he thinks he would beat out his DK with a NB..... Trust me the grass is no greener as a DK... I will say this i think most DKs play with one bar and they are the easiest classes to be decent at... I think most people see this aspect ....

PvP as it is right now is not centered around duels though. Nightblades do awesome against a single target, but multiple enemies are another story.

I can't understand why this myth that NB isn't good against multiple enemies is still persisting. Please refer to the below quote for some good examples why this isn't true.

Varicite wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

You guys ever seen that one player that can just take on 5 or 6 enemies and just stand there and kill some of them, before finally....MAYBE enough surround him that he slowly drops in health and dies?

You guys ever seen that?
NEVER ONCE has that been a night blade.

Never say never. There's far more than one way to play a NB. Stealth-focused is probably the worst way, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtXSIbxy2nI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5mRXoob1T8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MjoXYsPLYY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSqW-N1dKgw

NBs will be just fine after the changes go live. They are hardly the "weakest class", that is just bad perception that's been carried forward since some people said this during 1.0. It wasn't true back then and still isn't true today.

There are still a few (very few) issues w/ some passives and 1 ability that need to be cleaned up, but all in all, the class is still very strong in the right hands.

I come across more broken animation issues than anything on my NBs, tbh.

These videos have something distinctly in common, restoration staff and robe. Is there anything specifically about nightblades that makes them good against multiple opponents? A nightblade against 3 or 4 opponents who rush at them in melee doesn't stand a very good chance all things being equal. Seriously, fear only works on two opponents at a time and there is no way you are counting on Blur as your only real defensive buff to stay alive. These guys are not doing well by merit of being a nightblade.

Do you notice all of the NB skills all of these videos use? A lot.

Seriously you NB whiners can not be appeased. News flash is my stamina sorc can't take on groups either. You choose to spec you NB in a 1v1 fashion and then whine on the forums that you can't take on multiple opponents. It is mind boggling. Class skills use magicka so learn to use your class skills or find a new game.

"NB do awesome against single target but multiple enemies is another story"
I show you multiple videos of NB kicking ass and taking names
"Yeah but he didn't do it in my spec so it is invalid"
So change your damn spec or realize you can only focus on 1v1.

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

You guys ever seen that one player that can just take on 5 or 6 enemies and just stand there and kill some of them, before finally....MAYBE enough surround him that he slowly drops in health and dies?

You guys ever seen that?
NEVER ONCE has that been a night blade.

Never say never. There's far more than one way to play a NB. Stealth-focused is probably the worst way, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtXSIbxy2nI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5mRXoob1T8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MjoXYsPLYY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSqW-N1dKgw

NBs will be just fine after the changes go live. They are hardly the "weakest class", that is just bad perception that's been carried forward since some people said this during 1.0. It wasn't true back then and still isn't true today.

There are still a few (very few) issues w/ some passives and 1 ability that need to be cleaned up, but all in all, the class is still very strong in the right hands.

I come across more broken animation issues than anything on my NBs, tbh.

What about the people who rolled the class to play... you know a NB? The class presented to us on the class selection screen. The one 'relying on stealth, mobility and blades'.

So yeah ... play it like that then. Here is some stealth, mobility, and blades http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGL60kiksVY . And no, this guy losing 5-10% of his stealth dmg will not affect his build.

No thats resto staff not blades. And with the dmg bonus from resto staff gone, hes doing not 5-10% less but 20% less stealth damage. Thats one. Two... he should show a few attempts at attacking people in impenetrable gear who arent riding horses or engaging someone else in combat and actually use block.

You don't even know that impenetrable gear doesn't mean jack or squat against stealth attacks! If you aren't doing well at your NB there has to be a time when you realize it is your own fault and not the class.

Varicite · October 2014

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

And with the dmg bonus from resto staff gone, hes doing not 5-10% less but 20% less stealth damage.

Um, the resto nerf went live on Sep. 27.

That video was posted on Oct. 5.

I hope I don't need to elaborate. : )

Gilvoth · October 2014

some people love to play a nightstaff,
me and many others however would love to play a nightblade that actually uses blades.

Jacques Berge · October 2014

My NB is fine... Deadly as hell... Uses 2 daggers and a bow... I've been successful with sneak attack kills, rogue style shenanigans, and out right brawling.

Cloak is still broken by charges and a few projectiles, which is a huge headache if it happens to you. Oh, and yeah, that's a bug, The NB community is allowed to complain about broken mechanics.

I like how when the NB/Stam/Melee community complains about anything it's QQing.

Any other class/magicka/staff has a problem it's "I have a legitamate issue here, this is important stuff. ISIS and Ebola can wait. The world needs to rally to fix the issue with my abilities!!!"

khele23eb17_ESO · October 2014

Varicite wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

And with the dmg bonus from resto staff gone, hes doing not 5-10% less but 20% less stealth damage.

Um, the resto nerf went live on Sep. 27.

That video was posted on Oct. 5.

I hope I don't need to elaborate. : )

Sure, because posted = recorded. And because ZOS patches always work.
The resto nerf wasnt even functional the first time they put it in on the 27th. For a few days Cycle of Life had both magicka restore and dmg increase.

jackyd · October 2014

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

And with the dmg bonus from resto staff gone, hes doing not 5-10% less but 20% less stealth damage.

Um, the resto nerf went live on Sep. 27.

That video was posted on Oct. 5.

I hope I don't need to elaborate. : )

Sure, because posted = recorded. And because ZOS patches always work.
The resto nerf wasnt even functional the first time they put it in on the 27th. For a few days Cycle of Life had both magicka restore and dmg increase.

Well the thing tho is, since he is using only class abilities and the only reason to wear as staff was the 10% damage boost from cycle of life you can achieve the same by swapping the staff for daggers and play the Nighblade class how they were always supposed to be played when looking back at Morrowind and Oblivion, wearing light armor and blades ;p

Xsorus · October 2014

I hope some of you posters realize everytime you make a post about how a player isn't playing a nightblade cause he's using a staff no one will take anything you say seriously after that. Esp if the person is using nothing but nightblade skills

Varicite · October 2014

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

I hope some of you posters realize everytime you make a post about how a player isn't playing a nightblade cause he's using a staff no one will take anything you say seriously after that. Esp if the person is using nothing but nightblade skills

Exactly this.

When you say "NBs are broke because my stamina build blablabla", people stop taking you seriously because we know that your issue is stamina builds, not NBs.

And stamina being inferior to magicka is a well-known dead horse. Nobody really agrees that should be the case, so at that point you're just preaching to the choir.

Call it what it is and you'll find much more support. It's not NBs that are broken, it's stamina builds.

When I say "Hey, NBs excel in every facet of this game", that is absolutely true. When I say "Hey, stamina builds are inferior in most aspects of gameplay outside of solo / stealth ganking", that is also true.

Stop confusing the issue. It's not your NB that's broken, it's your build (stam-focused). Ask ZOS to fix stamina builds.

sagitter · October 2014

i agree , this nerf hits harder an nb, i have both dk and nb and for nb a good stealth attack is a chance of win against a powerfull tanky dk. We will see.

Kypho · October 2014

More health for ppl, and less dmg for NB = balance for zos.... a bit opposite direction. Nerf was not needed at all.

Jacques Berge · October 2014

I will still kill people... Dispite a little damage lost to my opener. I'll be happy once they iron out the last few issues with cloak... Once cloak works %100 of the time, it's gonna be a bad day for the other classes... I sneak attack killed about 10 snipers in a big AvA battle... I would cloak up, do a boat load to one guy and leave before they knew what was going on. I did this for a solid 30 mins before they finally got me... And that's only because charges currently break cloak (bug).

Gilvoth · October 2014

Kypho wrote: »

More health for ppl, and less dmg for NB = balance for zos.... a bit opposite direction. Nerf was not needed at all.

quoted for truth

iliatha · October 2014

Varicite wrote: »

Never say never. There's far more than one way to play a NB. Stealth-focused is probably the worst way, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtXSIbxy2nI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5mRXoob1T8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MjoXYsPLYY

Teaser vid was the only one which shows how to fight 1vX. Duels are just boring since people are switching as many to skills as possible to fight opponents. nothing anybody would do in open PvP.

Brasseurfb16_ESO · October 2014

Varicite wrote: »

And the point still stands that you shouldn't be able to take almost an entire health bar from a player before they can even react.

Yes, that's how an assassin would work in RL, but in a game where you play w/ other people, it's not really going to be fun for the guy who dies before they can do anything.

No it doesn't stand, because you CAN react from a Snipe when someone is trying to gank you from stealth... It makes a very distinct sound when it approaches you.

I played a lot of Cyrodiil on Haderus, and it's very easy to react from a snipe. Quite frankly, I'm not even sure I got killed by a snipe yet, some archers have defeated me in the past, but it wasn't from a snipe.

When I die, it's usualy from Shieldstacker/Crushing Force builds and DK Invasion/Flame Lash builds because they get insane amounts of sustain, control and damage for little drawbacks in return. Those are the current meta builds and those are severely broken.

Also you speak about fun, but is it fun when I can't have any serious direct confrontation with any Crushing Force spammer because they are holding block the whole fight cutting all my heal effectiveness by 50%, preventing me from using physical dots, making them immune to CC most of the time while interupting me with an uninterruptible, 28feet range, instant triple tap death beam?

I realy would like to be more a "in your face" kinda guy, but the disbalance between stamina and magicka prevents us from having a fair fight, so if we want to stick to our roots ( and not dress up and use a staff), we have to play with stealth and mobility, harass our target until it finaly drops dead. No other viable options for us...

And 1.5. is all about nerfing greatly the impact from our only viable options to kill someone with a stamina build, severing the gap between stamina and magicka balance even further...

Palidon · November 2014

As this point it really does not matter to me since I will not be renewing my sub. I will say this in PvP playing as Nightblade using a DW/Bow build was useless. To sum up that build in PvP with one word. JOKE. That Nightblade build is so under powered it is pathetic.

LilChihuahua · November 2014

Palidon wrote: »

As this point it really does not matter to me since I will not be renewing my sub. I will say this in PvP playing as Nightblade using a DW/Bow build was useless. To sum up that build in PvP with one word. JOKE. That Nightblade build is so under powered it is pathetic.

I've just started my Dunmer DK, sick of my NB. Idk tho if I'll be able to handle the quest grinding agian. Might just unsub too.

ExiledKhallisi · November 2014

Nightblades are fine.