Nightblades Nerfed... Just what they needed huh?

LilChihuahua

PTS Patch Notes v1.5.1
Combat & Gameplay
General
•Reduced the amount of bonus damage provided by stealthed attacks against other player characters.

The number one thing which NBs rely on for PvP is getting nerfed. NB are already considered the weakest at PvP and now this? Now it will be even more impossible to take down a 3k+ health DK DPS-Tank. This would only be acceptable if the NB assassination passive Hemorrhage was increased to offset this nerf.

Antirob

I beleive the nerf is fixing the unintended large amount of extra damage you can get from passives+gear+ race that can one shot people. Havent tested it on the pts yet but most people are most likely going to see little to a small change.

skeletorz_ESO

Nice try, but this is not a nerf to nightblades, it's a nerf to crit damage (as in everyone's crit damage).

LilChihuahua

Antirob wrote: »

I beleive the nerf is fixing the unintended large amount of extra damage you can get from passives+gear+ race that can one shot people. Havent tested it on the pts yet but most people are most likely going to see little to a small change.

skeletorz_ESO wrote: »

Nice try, but this is not a nerf to nightblades, it's a nerf to crit damage (as in everyone's crit damage).

So I cant stack Archers Mind + Shadow Mundus + Devine + Hemmorrhage?

And yea I know it's for everyone but NBs relying on this the most, they will suffer the most.

Hypertionb14_ESO

LilChihuahua wrote: »

Antirob wrote: »

I beleive the nerf is fixing the unintended large amount of extra damage you can get from passives+gear+ race that can one shot people. Havent tested it on the pts yet but most people are most likely going to see little to a small change.

skeletorz_ESO wrote: »

Nice try, but this is not a nerf to nightblades, it's a nerf to crit damage (as in everyone's crit damage).

So I cant stack Archers Mind + Shadow Mundus + Devine + Hemmorrhage?

And yea I know it's for everyone but NBs relying on this the most, they will suffer the most.

NBs are the most likley to use bows to sneak attack from since they have the quick sneak option from the shadow tree.

however i see LOTS of non NB bow users ranging even DKs who will be weakened by this.

manny254

lol at least this is like the people claiming the shield bash nerf only affected dk's.

Jacques Berge

Hahahahahaha... Like I said in the other post... Waiting for the nerf to burst heals, fire damage, and ranged spells. This will affect everyone evenly, as everyone has access to all of these mechanics.

I'm sick of these forums where people can't see past their own hands... Any negative adjustment to stealth, sneak attacks, or detection adversely affects the NB class MORE!!! Than the other classes. this can easily and accurately be perceived as a NB nerf.

If fire damage was reduced, DKs would flip out. Even though everyone one has access to fire staves and glyphs. The adjustment would still affect DKs more.

I love how it's QQ when NBs complain about broken or unusable class skills, but when YOU take too much damage from not being cautious it's "Wah!!! Sneak attack is too powerful!! I didn't get to heal back to %100, shield stack, and block cast to kill him and his 10 friends!!! Oh please ZoS, these NBs are too strong, it's no fair if I ever lose."
Signed your one true love,
DKs everywhere

guybrushtb16_ESO

Seems justified IMO. Even though nightblades still need a buff in survivability, the ganking potential behind tuning your build towards oneshotting from stealth was a bit overtuned to say the least.

I still wish they could give us numbers like "changed bonus from XX% down to XX%" more.

Hypertionb14_ESO

manny254 wrote: »

lol at least this is like the people claiming the shield bash nerf only affected dk's.

it is exactly like that,

idoits who prefer using a class with a slight bonus to a certain playstyle see any change to that playstyle as an attack against their specific class.

100% selfish view point from people who cant see beyond their own farts.

Kypho

Meanwhile in zenimax office:

youtube.com/watch?v=gkTb9GP9lVI

LAWL

Frenkthevile

Crybaby.

Jacques Berge

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

lol at least this is like the people claiming the shield bash nerf only affected dk's.

it is exactly like that,

idoits who prefer using a class with a slight bonus to a certain playstyle see any change to that playstyle as an attack against their specific class.

100% selfish view point from people who cant see beyond their own farts.

No, it's not... DKs get a passive for blocking, iron skin +10% blocking. This is actually less than the +15% from the Templars shield wall. Either way, this is one passive each.

Now, NBs on the other hand have 2 passives that specifically say while hidden or stealthed. Their best Melee attack has increased affect while hidden or stealthed and has a passive that boosts movement speed while hidden or stealthed. They have a skill, the only skill in the game where you can run through a crowd of people where you are hidden still maintain stealth.

So, should we compare... NBs have 5 exclusive affects that synergize with stealth. That's 5 to 0 for any other class. You want to be a shadow knight? Cool. You want to be a blood Mage? Awesome. But don't for a second think that you're going to convince anyone with half a brain that the NB isn't the de facto rogue class. Just like Templars are the de facto healers, DKs tanks, and sorcs ranged dps.

Stealth damage nerfs affect NB the most!!!

Daenerys

poor Nerfblades

Kypho

guybrushtb16_ESO wrote: »

Seems justified IMO. Even though nightblades still need a buff in survivability, the ganking potential behind tuning your build towards oneshotting from stealth was a bit overtuned to say the least.

I still wish they could give us numbers like "changed bonus from XX% down to XX%" more.

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

lol at least this is like the people claiming the shield bash nerf only affected dk's.

it is exactly like that,

idoits who prefer using a class with a slight bonus to a certain playstyle see any change to that playstyle as an attack against their specific class.

100% selfish view point from people who cant see beyond their own farts.

Exactly. Like DK or Templars or Sorcereres. ohh wait templar got boost etc.

Whats the problem with the so called "ganking" builds? That you die? Your fault. You can kill ganker NB easier than a mudcrab, at least i do, exept the mistformspammers. And you know they kill and going cloak.... There are LOT stuff what still breaks cloak, stopping you, etc.
How do you expect to play the weakest class without that high burst? Its normal for you that they attacking you, you just TROLL a bit and killing him? Thats balance for you.

and with this: "idoits who prefer using a class with a slight bonus to a certain playstyle see any change to that playstyle as an attack against their specific class."
You are the idiot. Whats your class DK? SORC? TEMPLAR? all have more bonus to a certain playstyle, and if something happens you QQ. But if others getting hit, and its the weakest class, you say its OK.

Do you think its not boring or unfun to relly on one thing, and hope it will work and you survive? And ofc only weak dieing from one attack.

But ok. Less ambush dmg. but then boost all stamina based attacks with 30% for NB.

Caspur

While this isn't a direct nerf to Nightblades I do get where you're coming from. It sucks because they keep taking things away that Nightblades rely on and we haven't seen any buffs that the class needs and it's definitely getting old. They're taking away the bonus damage that NBs can use to kill a single player with while, DKs can face groups of people and walk away the winner.

I'll bet one of the class designers at Zeni/Bethesda used to get ganked in WoW by rogues and this is them getting their revenge.

LilChihuahua

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

lol at least this is like the people claiming the shield bash nerf only affected dk's.

it is exactly like that,

idoits who prefer using a class with a slight bonus to a certain playstyle see any change to that playstyle as an attack against their specific class.

100% selfish view point from people who cant see beyond their own farts.

It's the play style of the NB class. If a NB can't lay that quick burst damage, there's two options run or die. Like Kypho said, NBs are squashed easier than a mudcrab. Just blocking is enough to render the DPS of a NB useless. Ofcourse this is great news for you, especially since ur opener is a shielded charge which can't sneak attack anyways.

Kypho

LilChihuahua wrote: »

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

lol at least this is like the people claiming the shield bash nerf only affected dk's.

it is exactly like that,

idoits who prefer using a class with a slight bonus to a certain playstyle see any change to that playstyle as an attack against their specific class.

100% selfish view point from people who cant see beyond their own farts.

It's the play style of the NB class. If a NB can't lay that quick burst damage, there's two options run or die. Like Kypho said, NBs are squashed easier than a mudcrab. Just blocking is enough to render the DPS of a NB useless. Ofcourse this is great news for you, especially since ur opener is a shielded charge which can't sneak attack anyways.

Look at passives, look at some active skill, its built around stealth. now its nerfed.
look at templar tanking skills heals, 50% miss chance to everyone, shield etc etc etc.
look at sorc heals like critical surge, they can be awesome 2h-ers and escapeers with streak. The big shield etc etc etc
look at DK. dragon blood, relfective scale, fragmented shield etc etc etc....
look at NB heal... dot LAWL... look at cloak....failing every time+short...
compare blur with oplar blinding light. look at NB dots vs DK dots look at survivability skills, like streak vs cloak.
NB is a big fail.

As i said its powerful with cookie cutter BS Lightarmor staff/1h+sh skills with the animcanceling madness, played like a mage and you dont even build around stealth. But who want to be another zombie? Not all.

As for NB is not weak... really? Most of em are the first target because they go down faster to my sucky non-bow staminabuild than any other. DK and OPlars just tank like gods, sorcs tanking and streaking, doing tricks, NB is mehh... some are tricky but still easier to fight than any other class. Even if they kill, its not as powerfull than others.

Use shields like others, switch on siphoning strikes and spam sap essence for aoe, or spam funnelhealth with animcanceling for the 800-900 dmg per ability? No thanks. enough from that in game. I dont want to join the zombies. Why is better to get 2k dps with animcanceled instant abilities, than one 2k hit from bow? It is not better. But ZoS can lick my ....

Kaghei

LilChihuahua wrote: »

PTS Patch Notes v1.5.1
NB are already considered the weakest at PvP and now this?

Lol, try 2nd best, if not the best...
ever try playing a sorc?

Kypho

Kaghei wrote: »

LilChihuahua wrote: »

PTS Patch Notes v1.5.1
NB are already considered the weakest at PvP and now this?

Lol, try 2nd best, if not the best...
ever try playing a sorc?

sorc is the best and most fun to play with. I love it so far. I not mean its the best class, but the best to play with. in trouble, streak. want to kite, streak, want to kill a lol blade? streak. and ofc attack
its no troll, i think ill use sorc after they kick the already dead NB on live.

Zavus

I agree with the "nerf". With my bow build it was incredibly easy and un-challenging to gank players. Lethal was hitting for 2.1k add camo hunter + heavy or light attack/venom arrow animation cancelling and it was GG thanks for participating.

Not to mention you can do this all before the unbreakable stun from hitting from stealth is over...

eNumbra

The common thread in the disagreement here is that Stealth BOW builds are too powerful, Stealth Melee builds not so much.

Clearly, nerfing all stealth damage was the answer and not simply nerfing bow based stealth damage.

LilChihuahua

Zavus wrote: »

I agree with the "nerf". With my bow build it was incredibly easy and un-challenging to gank players. Lethal was hitting for 2.1k add camo hunter + heavy or light attack/venom arrow animation cancelling and it was GG thanks for participating.

Not to mention you can do this all before the unbreakable stun from hitting from stealth is over...

Obviously u have never attually tried this play style yourself. It isn't as easy and flawless as you may think. If you have 3k+ health, have impenetrable armor and not a vamp you are practically immune to this sniper gank build. You will never get one shotted, even if you do get hit with a 2.2k hit the follow up shots won't crit. You will have enough time to break and heal or spam reflect. At this point that sniper is a easy free kill as he has no defensive capabilities. Shield stacking and blocking will also negate a snipe. There is no room for error. You have to pick your targets and if you screw up, run or die. The only easy targets are people with under 2k health and siege weapons.

Also, I rarely ever get hit for over 2k anyways. I could probably count the number of time with my hands, and I play quite a lot of pvp. You average sneak snipe tends to be 1.3-1.7k.

Kego

Caspur wrote: »

I'll bet one of the class designers at Zeni/Bethesda used to get ganked in WoW by rogues and this is them getting their revenge.

Well as you mentioned it. Time to go back to WoW and cancel the sub. here until ZOS will bugfix the Nightblade that it is as powerfull as Dks and Sorcs.

But to be honest. It seams that they just don't know what to do with this class and it`s bugged core mechanics since 6 Months....

xaraan

It's not a NB nerf, it's a nerf to everyone that uses stealth damage. Also, NBs aren't just for sneak attacks.

I get where you are coming from with the statement, but taking it that far will get complaints like this overlooked IMO.

Also, since I'm sharing my opinion, I don't think the nerf is that bad.

Kypho

xaraan wrote: »

It's not a NB nerf, it's a nerf to everyone that uses stealth damage. Also, NBs aren't just for sneak attacks.

I get where you are coming from with the statement, but taking it that far will get complaints like this overlooked IMO.

Also, since I'm sharing my opinion, I don't think the nerf is that bad.

It hit NB hardest imo.

thorspark

No other class than NB has skills/passives that benefit from stealth. So it's not a "nerf to everyone", it's a very small nerf to DK, Sorc, Templar and a big nerf to NB.

Kego

And I bet, the way ZOS treats us NBs, they will fix Radiant Mage Light and than we deal less DMG out of Hidden than from an unhidden status...

Jacques Berge

Kego wrote: »

And I bet, the way ZOS treats us NBs, they will fix Radiant Mage Light and than we deal less DMG out of Hidden than from an unhidden status...

I usually don't rage. But, if they make it so RML applies to cloaked attacks I will absolutey lose my shirt.

Lorkhan

yesterday i just ganked for about one hour. oh man, it was so good. i could feel their anger

CapuchinSeven

Kego wrote: »

And I bet, the way ZOS treats us NBs, they will fix Radiant Mage Light and than we deal less DMG out of Hidden than from an unhidden status...

Jacques Berge wrote: »

I usually don't rage. But, if they make it so RML applies to cloaked attacks I will absolutey lose my shirt.

I totally agree, it's a major and direct nerf to Nightblades. Some how, for some reason, it's totally fine for DK's and Temps to heal to full while perma-blocking though.

There are numinous ways to hinder stealth attack damage already but apparently we can't have DK's dying, that's just crazy talk.

This and changes to Death Stroke just makes me face palm, I may as well be playing a DK.

Francescolg

Zavus wrote: »

I agree with the "nerf". With my bow build it was incredibly easy and un-challenging to gank players. Lethal was hitting for 2.1k add camo hunter + heavy or light attack/venom arrow animation cancelling and it was GG thanks for participating.

Not to mention you can do this all before the unbreakable stun from hitting from stealth is over...

Thank you so much for beeing sincere.
That is what is happening to my VR 14 char (4 pieces impenetrable, 1500 armor) all the time in PvP (by skilled attackers who choose the right race/build & items for maximizing bow dmg from stealth)

Beside that you even get a heal debuff. That alone should be a reason to keep a skills damage in "regular heights", or even "lesser dmg", just because of it's very strong effect you can morph snipe into