NA - Wabbajack

the.dzeneralb16_ESO

Desdemonte wrote: »

I can't speak for other EP guilds, but ours came here very near the start after a complete failure to try to organize a competitive campaign with the top AD guilds. I'm not sure on the details, as I was not at the negotiations table. I'm unsure if we were talking to DC guilds as well to make a nice 3 way fight. I do know that we left within a few days because the AD *** us over by stacking themselves without our knowledge and we had nowhere near the same numbers or guilds to be competitive, especially across all time zones. So we left them to their easy win they were trying to set up with good riddance.

Now it seems they're back..... I see them *** and moan about wanting a good competitive fight and can only shake my head knowing what their past antics have been. They ruined their opportunity for a good campaign and now they have come to the only one that matters after they realized they screwed themselves over, trying to ruin it again by cockblocking EP at every turn. Arrius mine farmers, Emp farm group swooping in to wipe us after we take a DC keep to claim it for themselves...... Stuff like that. Seems they can't handle a fair fight and resort to dirty tactics at every turn.

Well that does sound interesting, I'm curious about their perspective on it though

edit: because it seems like that from our perspective it's just nice to know both sides

Desdemonte

Oh, I'm sure there are some AD guilds that genuinely don't subscribe to these tactics, but they are in a gross minority from what I see PvPing every night for 5 hours through prime time.

At this point, I don't care what their perspective is on things. I have absolutely zero respect for them, and anything they say or do. It appears they have chosen the correct faction for role-play as well. I guess that type of person is drawn to arrogant *** races.

Anyway, they think they are going to dictate who wins this war (typical lol). They will see that they are truly inconsequential. So cheers DC! Here's to a good final 2 weeks!

kirnmalidus

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

The problem is a lot of "pugs" have an issue with teamspeak, don't have teamspeak, or just have an issue with taking orders (that is one of my biggest pet peeves).

For me, it's because I like to focus on the game while I'm playing. With teamspeak, all I can focus on is the constant chattering of other players in my ears and I can't immerse myself in the game.

Thats fair, I mean I'm not trash talking the pugs, they do actually do stuff too. I'd make the argument that constant chatter is normal during war

But I don't know, I've been in a few TS groups with some of them have 60+ people in them, it never really gets annoying because you generally have a few people leading giving orders, then others give useful information when they see it.

Have you tried joining one of the bigger PvP guilds who pvps daily? Just curious.

You're in the wrong teamspeak groups then. Our guild PvP teamspeak channel doesn't tolerate mindless banter while we are fighting. Comms are reserved for order from leaders and calling out approaching threats. If you want to join up with us and are in AD hit me up in game (@KirnMalidus).

the.dzeneralb16_ESO

kirnmalidus wrote: »

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

The problem is a lot of "pugs" have an issue with teamspeak, don't have teamspeak, or just have an issue with taking orders (that is one of my biggest pet peeves).

For me, it's because I like to focus on the game while I'm playing. With teamspeak, all I can focus on is the constant chattering of other players in my ears and I can't immerse myself in the game.

Thats fair, I mean I'm not trash talking the pugs, they do actually do stuff too. I'd make the argument that constant chatter is normal during war

But I don't know, I've been in a few TS groups with some of them have 60+ people in them, it never really gets annoying because you generally have a few people leading giving orders, then others give useful information when they see it.

Have you tried joining one of the bigger PvP guilds who pvps daily? Just curious.

You're in the wrong teamspeak groups then. Our guild PvP teamspeak channel doesn't tolerate mindless banter while we are fighting. Comms are reserved for order from leaders and calling out approaching threats. If you want to join up with us and are in AD hit me up in game (@KirnMalidus).

Yeah most guilds in TS are like that, we do have casual convos when we're travelling or something or crack jokes occasionally

Halrloprillalar

Desdemonte wrote: »

I can't speak for other EP guilds, but ours came here very near the start after a complete failure to try to organize a competitive campaign with the top AD guilds. I'm not sure on the details, as I was not at the negotiations table. I'm unsure if we were talking to DC guilds as well to make a nice 3 way fight. I do know that we left within a few days because the AD *** us over by stacking themselves without our knowledge and we had nowhere near the same numbers or guilds to be competitive, especially across all time zones. So we left them to their easy win they were trying to set up with good riddance.

Now it seems they're back..... I see them *** and moan about wanting a good competitive fight and can only shake my head knowing what their past antics have been. They ruined their opportunity for a good campaign and now they have come to the only one that matters after they realized they screwed themselves over, trying to ruin it again by cockblocking EP at every turn. Arrius mine farmers, Emp farm group swooping in to wipe us after we take a DC keep to claim it for themselves...... Stuff like that. Seems they can't handle a fair fight and resort to dirty tactics at every turn.

"stacking themselves without our knowledge"... we now have to consult you in order to organize our own faction? LOL?

If the map isn't completely lost but you're pushing hard expecting a win, would you NOT think you'll get some resistance from BOTH other factions if they have any presence? Kind of standard war logic here, I think.

Also, lol @ EP talking about farming and emps ... on wabba??? trololo
Go back to [SNIP] and your [SNIP] oil party.

AD came over to Wabba because they are either completely owning other campaigns, or other factions are, and there are nothing but crickets and nothing to do.

Wabba is currently the most competitive/balanced (if that's a thing) campaign NA side, why wouldn't people flock here? It's been locked on ALL sides for quite some time already, and I don't think that's a bad thing.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Naming & Shaming]

Halrloprillalar

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

Now as for the issue of time zones...well it's not as simple as "They shouldn't be allowed here", because having them here isn't bad, we want a fight and a war. The issue is figuring out how we can have that with different time zones. I was thinking of changing the value of points based on how populated you are vs the enemy (I'm not going to go in detail of the specifics because honestly it's just a thought. I'm sure fair numbers could be calculated though).

Seriously, just recruit some aussies when they're on and have an oceanic outfit for your guild.

As for the points thing, there is already an 'underdog' bonus AP system, although its exact workings are not entirely clear to me.

Desdemonte

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

"stacking themselves without our knowledge"... we now have to consult you in order to organize our own faction? LOL?

Well, if you were not spouting off as an ignoramus, you would know that we were trying to coordinate something above the table. So yes, it was a consultation of sorts. Were you involved in those talks? If yes, then you're more of a *** than I thought. If no, then STFU about something you know nothing about.

Plus, yeah- Wabba is the place to be right now, because the guilds that got *** over by underhanded AD tactics made it the place to be. Like I said, AD is now realizing that their dishonesty screwed them more than us, so now they are trying to mow lawn where they don't belong.

Halrloprillalar

Desdemonte wrote: »

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

"stacking themselves without our knowledge"... we now have to consult you in order to organize our own faction? LOL?

Well, if you were not spouting off as an ignoramus, you would know that we were trying to coordinate something above the table. So yes, it was a consultation of sorts. Were you involved in those talks? If yes, then you're more of a *** than I thought. If no, then STFU about something you know nothing about.

Plus, yeah- Wabba is the place to be right now, because the guilds that got *** over by underhanded AD tactics made it the place to be. Like I said, AD is now realizing that their dishonesty screwed them more than us, so now they are trying to mow lawn where they don't belong.

A few guilds do not dictate the ebb and flow of an entire faction. I don't know who they were, and I don't honestly give a ***. I'm here to kill *** and collect AP. I'd wager most of the recent influx of AD to wabba feel the same way.

Honestly it sounds like you're bitching because you didn't get the easy win you were supposedly promised (why would you trust an enemy in a war anyway??? lol). Can't say I feel bad for you (or DC for that matter) in any way.

Desdemonte

Where did I say we were looking for an easy win? The whole point was so that it *wouldn't* be an easy win for anybody. Kinda like what we ended up finding here on Wabba. Good for EP and DC to make something work. Sux for AD, who left after a month because *they* couldn't find their easy win. Now they're back like ticks and will be treated like the parasites they are.

Xsorus

Desdemonte wrote: »

Gumbicus wrote: »

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

Yeah but that is just people reacting by anger. The problem is AD can not win ths campaign (at least very, very, very likely that they wont)

We actually had that discussion today.
Basically we realise that if we tried to win the campaign, we would do more damage than its worth because we would need to beat EP by 200 points on EVERY tick.

While with a lot of hard work and probably a lot of luck too, we could possibly attempt to win if we were competent enough beat both factions around the clock, it would also definitively turn wabba into another AB, and probably damage the possibility of other factions playing the new campaigns too.

Can't wait for the vet only server, hopefully it'll pool the population in the right way...

Well, one solution that I would be OK with is for the AD to go back where they came from when EP and DC were having the serious fight that led to this neck and neck race. For some reason they felt they needed to come over a couple weeks ago and *** us up by being the pricks they are, with their Emperor trading farm groups and such. Why not just play the game honestly and with integrity?

You mean when you were winning cause you had more people?

What you're basically asking for is for the Hibs not to AJ you while you're running around with your Alb Zerg near Bled Keep.

Halrloprillalar

Desdemonte wrote: »

Where did I say we were looking for an easy win? The whole point was so that it *wouldn't* be an easy win for anybody. Kinda like what we ended up finding here on Wabba. Good for EP and DC to make something work. Sux for AD, who left after a month because *they* couldn't find their easy win. Now they're back like ticks and will be treated like the parasites they are.

So you're upset that AD is back to make the fight more fair? Or because we can literally make it so you lose to DC when you were winning before?
You should be glad we hate DC about as much as we hate EP (for now), although the more posts like this I see, the more that is likely to change.

Snit

Desdemonte wrote: »

Oh, I'm sure there are some AD guilds that genuinely don't subscribe to these tactics...

Your diction is good, but all you have done is dress up the usual form of sour-grapes. Sentiments such as "the other side uses unfair tactics," "people who rolled the other side are bad human beings" are usually expressed with mindless meme-references, exclamation points and "ridiculous" spelled with an 'e,' but the sense of what you said differs not an inch from that drivel.

War. War never changes.

the.dzeneralb16_ESO

I for one do not think it's fair to even be saying "dirty tactics" or complaining that AD are making things difficult. I (and I'm sure most of the pact) erect the spine of welcomes to the/any challenges.

Also, pvp has never been more fun

Laura

AD can have the campaign (and auriels bow) capped 24 hours a day. They are like mindless little annoying ants. Even when EP/DC is at low or medium AD are capped. Seems like every hipster and his boyfriend joined AD

Enesse

Laura wrote: »

They are like mindless little annoying ants.

We call them bumblebees.

the.dzeneralb16_ESO

We call you guys blueberries and bananas

Halrloprillalar

Laura wrote: »

AD can have the campaign (and auriels bow) capped 24 hours a day. They are like mindless little annoying ants. Even when EP/DC is at low or medium AD are capped. Seems like every hipster and his boyfriend joined AD

What? on Wabba? Are you playing the same game I am???

Gumbicus

You say:

Desdemonte wrote: »

Well, one solution that I would be OK with is for the AD to go back where they came from when EP and DC were having the serious fight that led to this neck and neck race. For some reason they felt they needed to come over a couple weeks ago and *** us up by being the pricks they are, with their Emperor trading farm groups and such. Why not just play the game honestly and with integrity?

And then you say:

Desdemonte wrote: »

I can't speak for other EP guilds, but ours came here very near the start after a complete failure to try to organize a competitive campaign with the top AD guilds. I'm not sure on the details, as I was not at the negotiations table.

So you admit that like many EP, you ran from AD so we had to follow you across server to play the game it was designed, and now you're upset again?

This is PVP, do we have to ask you for permission to attack you? When we get beat down, we think about what we're doing, and change the way we do it, until eventually we get past you.

And then:

Desdemonte wrote: »

Seems they can't handle a fair fight and resort to dirty tactics at every turn.

When EP are losing they stop fighting and start back-capping keeps well behind our lines. or just hitting our walls just to annoy us. Are EP really so different? We dont whine about being hit by DC at Ash or Roe when we're up taking arrius, we drop what we're doing, go smash DC then go back what we're doing, when its both of you against us we just defend only until you guys get sick of it and log off.

EP also regularly bait our zergs into field oils and wipe out our zergs, 3 people against 20-30. Is this not a dirty tactic? Its just a part of PVP.

Get off your high horse mate, nobody belongs on it, because we're all just as dirty as each other.

Desdemonte

Gumbicus wrote: »

You say:

Desdemonte wrote: »

Well, one solution that I would be OK with is for the AD to go back where they came from when EP and DC were having the serious fight that led to this neck and neck race. For some reason they felt they needed to come over a couple weeks ago and *** us up by being the pricks they are, with their Emperor trading farm groups and such. Why not just play the game honestly and with integrity?

And then you say:

Desdemonte wrote: »

I can't speak for other EP guilds, but ours came here very near the start after a complete failure to try to organize a competitive campaign with the top AD guilds. I'm not sure on the details, as I was not at the negotiations table.

So you admit that like many EP, you ran from AD so we had to follow you across server to play the game it was designed, and now you're upset again?

This is PVP, do we have to ask you for permission to attack you? When we get beat down, we think about what we're doing, and change the way we do it, until eventually we get past you.

And then:

Desdemonte wrote: »

Seems they can't handle a fair fight and resort to dirty tactics at every turn.

When EP are losing they stop fighting and start back-capping keeps well behind our lines. or just hitting our walls just to annoy us. Are EP really so different? We dont whine about being hit by DC at Ash or Roe when we're up taking arrius, we drop what we're doing, go smash DC then go back what we're doing, when its both of you against us we just defend only until you guys get sick of it and log off.

EP also regularly bait our zergs into field oils and wipe out our zergs, 3 people against 20-30. Is this not a dirty tactic? Its just a part of PVP.

Get off your high horse mate, nobody belongs on it, because we're all just as dirty as each other.

Dude, if you can't understand the plain English I'm speaking, take a course instead of relying on Babelfish. You know the movie 300? AD Xerxes, we were the 300. But we were smart enough to say F**k it- if they can't honour their side of the negotiations, they're not worth our time- let's find a battle worth fighting instead of a rookery full of chickens.

Tintinabula

who doesn't run from a sea of yellow..literally a tidal wave of lag rushing towards you. "PvP" is thrown out the window when facing AD in any campaign. There is no PvP..only surviving yalls lag.

Gaettusk

Gumbicus wrote: »

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

Yeah but that is just people reacting by anger. The problem is AD can not win ths campaign (at least very, very, very likely that they wont)

We actually had that discussion today.
Basically we realise that if we tried to win the campaign, we would do more damage than its worth because we would need to beat EP by 200 points on EVERY tick.

While with a lot of hard work and probably a lot of luck too, we could possibly attempt to win if we were competent enough beat both factions around the clock, it would also definitively turn wabba into another AB, and probably damage the possibility of other factions playing the new campaigns too.

Can't wait for the vet only server, hopefully it'll pool the population in the right way...

Yeah, I did the math a month or so ago. It's obvious that Oceanic AD wants DC to win(logging off right after capping EP scrolls and AD pop dropping off makes it obvious :P), and they're trying their hardest to get DC back to where they were at the start of the campaign. That behavior has already had an impact on lowering the numbers of EP and DC (they log off and let AD do work for them) playing Wabba during the early morning. If AD were trying to win for themselves, which still is possible(like it was possible from the start), then I don't think we'd be seeing the hemorrhaging of population of DC and EP during the early morning. http://esostats.com/5-Wabbajack

Now, it's a similar situation to Auriel's Bow because the Oceanic AD has the capability of killing a campaign(as has been proven in other games and possibly even in this game with Auriel's Bow) if they stack on one side. Why? It's because of the time zone, and just like no one should expect Oceanic players to log on at odd hours to play(NA prime time), no one should expect NA players to log on and act like 5am central is prime time. Yes, we could try and organize a group of Aussies or even NA players with odd work schedules (hint: there aren't really double digit numbers of EP Aussie on Wabba like there are on AD side), but the whole zerging EP scrolls every morning is only killing the chance of anyone setting up a consistent and competent resistance: I know this from personal experience.

Trying to find a sizeable group of Oceanic EP or DC is like trying to find a four-leafed clover on your first try: you aren't going to have a fruitful venture. Honestly, Thornblade will be decided by the night-capping of Oceanic AD, and I'd be surprised if EP and DC leaders haven't already talked about just locking AD in at their gates because if they don't, Auriel's Bow will happen.

In the following link, notice how all the factions had a very close three-way race. What happened at around May 1st? http://esostats.com/4-Auriel_s_Bow


One last point before I shut my long-winded self up.

Unlike Wabba EP, Wabba DC won't have a good underdog story. It'll be something along the lines of this: "DC had a strong lead in the beginning, but they eventually lost that lead due to the sheer tenacity of their opponent. However, DC could not recoup the loss themselves, so they recruited the help of the Oceanic AD to cap EP's scrolls at 5am when the majority of the campaign was sleeping. "

versus

EP was behind 40k+ in score, but then they finally worked together. They fought with their hearts and minds to overcome the torrent of Smurfs who dominated Wabba. After a month of tough fighting from both sides, EP finally took the lead.

*At this point EP got the band-wagoners that all the factions dislike. Prior to that, EP had equal population relative to DC. Now, all factions are equal during NA prime time.*

Gumbicus

Desdemonte wrote: »

Dude, if you can't understand the plain English I'm speaking, take a course instead of relying on Babelfish. You know the movie 300? AD Xerxes, we were the 300. But we were smart enough to say F**k it- if they can't honour their side of the negotiations, they're not worth our time- let's find a battle worth fighting instead of a rookery full of chickens.

I understand, you're complaining because people are playing the game its went to be played and we're suddenly dishonerable for doing it. Who cares?
Also what negotiations? There has been none.

Everything we do is a legitimate strategy, problem is you guys don't execute it yourselves.

As for stacking ourselves as AD? Do you honestly think this was intentional that the PVP zone ends up like this? I honestly would not be surprised after AB if a lot of DC and EP rerolled to AD because AD wins. I've actually really been thinking about rolling a diff faction just because of it.

Halrloprillalar

Tintinabula wrote: »

who doesn't run from a sea of yellow..literally a tidal wave of lag rushing towards you. "PvP" is thrown out the window when facing AD in any campaign. There is no PvP..only surviving yalls lag.

DC zergs just as hard, I think I saw something close to 60 tonight at glade, and that's being conservative. I'm not saying AD never does, but it's usually for something more than just a keep (unless it's scroll time), or jolly good bridge farm (though that's usually EP getting deep fried). If there are any even moderately coordinated teams on we are not normally all at the same place because that's way less effective.

Gaettusk wrote: »

Unlike Wabba EP, Wabba DC won't have a good underdog story. It'll be something along the lines of this: "DC had a strong lead in the beginning, but they eventually lost that lead due to the sheer tenacity of their opponent. However, DC could not recoup the loss themselves, so they recruited the help of the Oceanic AD to cap EP's scrolls at 5am when the majority of the campaign was sleeping. "

versus

EP was behind 40k+ in score, but then they finally worked together. They fought with their hearts and minds to overcome the torrent of Smurfs who dominated Wabba. After a month of tough fighting from both sides, EP finally took the lead.

*At this point EP got the band-wagoners that all the factions dislike. Prior to that, EP had equal population relative to DC. Now, all factions are equal during NA prime time.*

SUCH HEROISM! MUCH CONDOLENCE!

seriously, what is stopping you from recruiting an oceanic outfit? You must think a whole faction takes a secret trip to australia and hands out flyers or something?

ferzalrwb17_ESO

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

DC zergs just as hard, I think I saw something close to 60 tonight at glade, and that's being conservative. I'm not saying AD never does, but it's usually for something more than just a keep (unless it's scroll time), or jolly good bridge farm (though that's usually EP getting deep fried). If there are any even moderately coordinated teams on we are not normally all at the same place because that's way less effective.

I'm going to have to say... no. Nothing zergs as hard as AD.

There is no more common a sight in Cyrodiil than a yellow zerg. I rarely encounter a fight with AD that isn't a zerg. That's just my perspective.


But it's the most common opinion that AD only zergs from the perspective of red and blue. Possibly because you present the largest zergs to be found in the game - or it's just true: AD only zergs. I don't know. As a player who prefers smallscale fighting I can say that I don't find much of that with AD at all. To be honest I prefer fighting AD because I find them to be less skillful individually than the commie reds and that suits me because I'm severely lacking in skill or.. soberness mostly. I just like to have fun and finding players as inept as me is the answer. Reds are too serious. So break up those yellow zergs a little more for awful players like me please. :P

Rylana

Scores as of 4AM CDT this morning (12d 16h remaining - 304 hours remain)

EP - 250741 (+115)
DC - 242341 (+113)
AD - 187426 (+171)


At current spread (scenario 1) the final scores would be

EP - 285791
DC - 276693
AD - 239410

This scenario is, however, extremely unlikely as the last 5 days have shown an average hourly score + of about 80 for EP, 110 for DC, and about 180-200 for AD. Yes I am aware that doesnt exactly add up to 399, but lets use a point spread based on those ratios. 79/115/205

At that point spread (scenario 2) the final scores become

EP - 274757
DC - 277301
AD - 249746

This scenario is the most likely to occur, however there is the outside chance this will happen.

AD decides it wants to win Wabbajack. It IS mathematically possible to do so, but time is running out.

AD is behind EP by 63315 points, this means to win the campaign, AD has to outscore EP by 208 points every hour until the end. A long shot at best, but still doable. At the same time DC can not be allowed to take more than 30 points per hour more than EP or AD would also end up merely in second place. It would take a point spread of 50/78/261 or better in AD's favor to accomplish this (basically AD would have to run the board and completely own Wabba for the rest of the campaign cycle.

Scenario 3 (AD actually wins Wabbajack)

EP - 265941
DC - 266053
AD - 266770

So basically AD is not out of the running yet, but they would need to basically run the table at this point. They would need all six scrolls, at least 10 keeps at all times, and 2/3 of the resources at all times to pull it off. In 48 hours it will be mathematically impossible for AD to pass EP, in 72 hours it will be impossible for AD to pass DC. (AD could "technically" run the board at 399 per hour if they did so without stopping for 7 solid days, but on this campaign that is entirely impossible)

There are 121296 points still up for grabs. How will they be divided out?

Gaettusk

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

seriously, what is stopping you from recruiting an oceanic outfit? You must think a whole faction takes a secret trip to australia and hands out flyers or something?

Idk, it might because there are next to none EP Aussies/Oceanic. Ask the 1 or 2 Aussie playing EP during Oceanice prime time: "Where are all the Aussies at?", and they will also tell you that they're on AD. It's one thing to disagree when you have a leg to stand on, but you must be trolling if you think there are enough Oceanic players on DC or EP to recruit lol.

Gumbicus

Idk.. from what i've seen today Wabba is another AB or close to it.... Maybe its time to level that alt...

Gumbicus

AD camping ghartok at pact spawn.... time to log off... way to make pact leave...

Wideglide007

woohoo!! more EP tears!!

Teargrants

Had fun farming AD emp group at Kings farm. Were you guys trying to farm AP off us? Cuz it felt the other way around.