So 1.2, BE and You

Syndy

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

So, you won't rest until every sorc is a punching bag?

Where did I say this? I believe roots and snares should still effect Sorcs equally as other classes, if they added that fix, then yes, I would be happy.

Sorcs in this game have it way to easy honestly, you have no idea what a punching bag is unless you played a Sorc in WAR, no movement abilities, no KD, only a snare that had a 2.5 second cast, and required a DoT on the target as well...

The sorcs there didn't complain there hardly at all, only about BW having a KD when they did, even when mdps had charges, leaps, instacast snares, and KDs. They didn't complain because abilities in that game actually had hard counters.

BE is still spammable but will have a higher cost of being spammed, it shouldn't effect your playstyle all that much honestly.

Syndy

griszax wrote: »

Fun part is that all You whiners care only about sorc not being able to run away from fight with bolt escape spam ... Guess what this "nerf" wont really affect these people as they will be able to still use it few times -> dark exchange or equilibrum and continue running. Sad thing is that this will hurt the most people that actually used this skill for fighting. I would love to see what vr / pvp rank are these guys that whine about "op BE" .
How come there are no whiners about nightblade builds able to kill some1 in blink of an eye ?

NB, use Radiant Magelight, also stack some HP, if you go full Magicka, expect to die in pvp.

FENGRUSH

f0rgiv3n27b14_ESO wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

I have a templar, actually, and a sorc. And I know quite a lot of templars who agree with me on one thing. A well played templar is in no way disadvantaged compared to a sorc in pvp. These guys are very capable pvpers I know for years, I trust them more than your whiny attitude. Templars need tweaks in some aspects, ressource management for example, but are in no way underpowered.

Keep on fooling yourself, that it is the classes and not you, that makes the difference. Thats in my honest opinion not an attitude for someone who considers himself a pvper.

Regards

Well I consider you the same way you consider me, to have a whiny attitude...
I have internet friends I pvp with as well, and have known for a LONG time who played DoAC, and WAR for years on end and are more than very capable pvpers who totally agree that BE is completely broken. See I can do it too, I trust them and me with insight over you too...

I still don't understand how any person could have a logical explaination of an ability with no counter that allows a certain class to escape any undesireable situation as balanced.

There is no possible valid explanation you could give me to argue the fact that BE and Bock/immovable negates all form of CC and makes Sorcs uncatchable and never die in PvP... and you see that as balanced, and call yourself a pvper?

I dont think Ive ever seen a sorc popping immovable and then run away. Its a high stam cost to begin with, and another skill needed on the bar. You dont *need* immovable in 95% of your situations fleeing as a sorc. If youre actually using it, youre probably awful anyway.

Syndy

FENGRUSH wrote: »

I dont think Ive ever seen a sorc popping immovable and then run away. Its a high stam cost to begin with, and another skill needed on the bar. You dont *need* immovable in 95% of your situations fleeing as a sorc. If youre actually using it, youre probably awful anyway.

If you are not using it and in PvP I would say you are aweful anway, Put immovable on a second bar, use it, switch to primary bar, it lasts 8 seconds... Plenty of time to get off a rotation, and now you have no fear of being CC'd other than roots or snares. No interruptions in your casts, no K/Ds, just casting spells...

You act like Sorcs actually use stamina in PvP, they have no use for it unless it's to break out of CC, which if they had immovable up, they wouldn't need to do... Sorcs only use stamina for Dark Exchange to replenish magicka to continue running.

On my templar I can keep immovable up almost indefinitely, unless i have to dodge roll out of a Talons/standard that will upset my rotation. The beauty of being a sorc and using immovable is, you don't have to worry about dodge rolling, anything you need to roll out of can be negated by BE.

Edit: you are right though, most just hold down block and BE away.

Halrloprillalar

f0rgiv3n27b14_ESO wrote: »

I still don't understand how any person could have a logical explaination of an ability with no counter

Wrong. Many threads showing various counters. L2Read.

f0rgiv3n27b14_ESO wrote: »

makes Sorcs uncatchable and never die in PvP...

Syndy

Eclipse can be broken out of (I do use it, nice of you to assume I don't), gap closer no, I don't use the charge/leap I do use binding javelin which is supposed to KD the sorc, but alas holding down block will not let the sorc be KD'd...

Nice meme though, glad to know that I have gotten your attention enough to take the time to create a meme, yet still not the tiem to give me a logical explanation about how to counter a sorc useing BE while holding block?

Gap closers won't catch them due to travel time and requiring a target so you have to have a one in a million shot and predict where the sorc will be before they instantly BE again, and are out of range...

Nice meme again though man...

Edit: nowhere in my argument did I say I what I was using and nowhere in your awesome meme did you address the problem

griszax

f0rgiv3n27b14_ESO wrote: »

NB, use Radiant Magelight, also stack some HP, if you go full Magicka, expect to die in pvp.

Why You didn't comment about sorc still being able to run away with BE even after the nerf ? Guess You don't really care how they nerf it You just want to see class to get nerfed but not Yours ? Am I right ?:) I'm at 3.1 k hp so yeah I'm stacked with hp and I still found few nightblades with proper burst builds I played intensively solo /2-3 man grp pvp in eso, been crowned many times as emperor and it just amazes me how can someone think BE is op in any way.
I'm sure that next month all the cry babies gonna come back with some new OP ability that they can't overcome and it's gonna get nerfed.

Syndy

griszax wrote: »

f0rgiv3n27b14_ESO wrote: »

NB, use Radiant Magelight, also stack some HP, if you go full Magicka, expect to die in pvp.

Why You didn't comment about sorc still being able to run away with BE even after the nerf ? Guess You don't really care how they nerf it You just want to see class to get nerfed but not Yours ? Am I right ?:) I'm at 3.1 k hp so yeah I'm stacked with hp and I still found few nightblades with proper burst builds I played intensively solo /2-3 man grp pvp in eso, been crowned many times as emperor and it just amazes me how can someone think BE is op in any way.
I'm sure that next month all the cry babies gonna come back with some new OP ability that they can't overcome and it's gonna get nerfed.

It amazes me that you did not read the first part of the post, Radiant magelight reduces dmg from stealth by 50% increasing by 1% each lvl after morph...

It amazes me how people who PvP actually thing BE is ok, glad we can both be amazed talking to each other...

xDonMega

I'm amazed at the overall bad theorycrafting...

Halrloprillalar

f0rgiv3n27b14_ESO wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

I dont think Ive ever seen a sorc popping immovable and then run away. Its a high stam cost to begin with, and another skill needed on the bar. You dont *need* immovable in 95% of your situations fleeing as a sorc. If youre actually using it, youre probably awful anyway.

If you are not using it and in PvP I would say you are aweful anway, Put immovable on a second bar, use it, switch to primary bar, it lasts 8 seconds... Plenty of time to get off a rotation, and now you have no fear of being CC'd other than roots or snares. No interruptions in your casts, no K/Ds, just casting spells...

You act like Sorcs actually use stamina in PvP, they have no use for it unless it's to break out of CC, which if they had immovable up, they wouldn't need to do... Sorcs only use stamina for Dark Exchange to replenish magicka to continue running.

On my templar I can keep immovable up almost indefinitely, unless i have to dodge roll out of a Talons/standard that will upset my rotation. The beauty of being a sorc and using immovable is, you don't have to worry about dodge rolling, anything you need to roll out of can be negated by BE.

Edit: you are right though, most just hold down block and BE away.

You clearly have never actually played a sorc in pvp. That much is obvious.

Syndy

Theorycrafting?

Please do explain how they are theories and not facts?

Syndy

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

You clearly have never actually played a sorc in pvp. That much is obvious.

Actually I have, and I firmly believe that immovable should be on everyone's bar no matter what class, the skill is invaluable with all the CC in this game. You get CC'd you die, is pretty much the name of this game.

griszax

f0rgiv3n27b14_ESO wrote: »

griszax wrote: »

f0rgiv3n27b14_ESO wrote: »

NB, use Radiant Magelight, also stack some HP, if you go full Magicka, expect to die in pvp.

Why You didn't comment about sorc still being able to run away with BE even after the nerf ? Guess You don't really care how they nerf it You just want to see class to get nerfed but not Yours ? Am I right ?:) I'm at 3.1 k hp so yeah I'm stacked with hp and I still found few nightblades with proper burst builds I played intensively solo /2-3 man grp pvp in eso, been crowned many times as emperor and it just amazes me how can someone think BE is op in any way.
I'm sure that next month all the cry babies gonna come back with some new OP ability that they can't overcome and it's gonna get nerfed.

It amazes me that you did not read the first part of the post, Radiant magelight reduces dmg from stealth by 50% increasing by 1% each lvl after morph...

It amazes me how people who PvP actually thing BE is ok, glad we can both be amazed talking to each other...

I know what radiant magelight do . Guess what not every1 need 10 % crit and skill just to counter nightblades But still You didnt answer my question : Why don't you comment that sorc will still be able to run away from fights even after nerf teleport 3-5 times + dark exchange -> continue. You are vr6 right ? So I'm guessing You didn't spend that much time in pvp . Otherwise You wouldn't even bother with this "BE is OP nerf nerf nerf". I still can't see what is this big advantage of a sorc running away from actual fight. You know what is the counter of BE ? Chasing that sorc He isn't doing anything at all to help his teammates on battlefield and so is the chasing guy.

Halrloprillalar

f0rgiv3n27b14_ESO wrote: »

Theorycrafting?

Please do explain how they are theories and not facts?

hahahahahahah best thing I've read all day, thanks for the laugh man

Halrloprillalar

f0rgiv3n27b14_ESO wrote: »

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

You clearly have never actually played a sorc in pvp. That much is obvious.

Actually I have, and I firmly believe that immovable should be on everyone's bar no matter what class, the skill is invaluable with all the CC in this game. You get CC'd you die, is pretty much the name of this game.

And guess what? Immovable doesn't stop roots

Guess what happens when you get rooted?

EDIT: I'd also wager your 'pvp' sorc isn't 50, so I stand by my previous statement.

FENGRUSH

f0rgiv3n27b14_ESO wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

I dont think Ive ever seen a sorc popping immovable and then run away. Its a high stam cost to begin with, and another skill needed on the bar. You dont *need* immovable in 95% of your situations fleeing as a sorc. If youre actually using it, youre probably awful anyway.

If you are not using it and in PvP I would say you are aweful anway, Put immovable on a second bar, use it, switch to primary bar, it lasts 8 seconds... Plenty of time to get off a rotation, and now you have no fear of being CC'd other than roots or snares. No interruptions in your casts, no K/Ds, just casting spells...

You act like Sorcs actually use stamina in PvP, they have no use for it unless it's to break out of CC, which if they had immovable up, they wouldn't need to do... Sorcs only use stamina for Dark Exchange to replenish magicka to continue running.

On my templar I can keep immovable up almost indefinitely, unless i have to dodge roll out of a Talons/standard that will upset my rotation. The beauty of being a sorc and using immovable is, you don't have to worry about dodge rolling, anything you need to roll out of can be negated by BE.

Edit: you are right though, most just hold down block and BE away.

If youre fighting at range like many sorcs are, you dont have to chain immovable. I use blink offensively and never use immovable. Please 1v1 me while chaining immovable or without it, and we can see whos awful anyway (snip).

Stop preaching about a class youve only experienced from 1 side, especially when youre throwing out ideas like chaining immovable on a sorc.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

Syndy

griszax wrote: »

f0rgiv3n27b14_ESO wrote: »

griszax wrote: »

f0rgiv3n27b14_ESO wrote: »

NB, use Radiant Magelight, also stack some HP, if you go full Magicka, expect to die in pvp.

Why You didn't comment about sorc still being able to run away with BE even after the nerf ? Guess You don't really care how they nerf it You just want to see class to get nerfed but not Yours ? Am I right ?:) I'm at 3.1 k hp so yeah I'm stacked with hp and I still found few nightblades with proper burst builds I played intensively solo /2-3 man grp pvp in eso, been crowned many times as emperor and it just amazes me how can someone think BE is op in any way.
I'm sure that next month all the cry babies gonna come back with some new OP ability that they can't overcome and it's gonna get nerfed.

It amazes me that you did not read the first part of the post, Radiant magelight reduces dmg from stealth by 50% increasing by 1% each lvl after morph...

It amazes me how people who PvP actually thing BE is ok, glad we can both be amazed talking to each other...

I know what radiant magelight do . But still You didnt answer my question : Why don't you comment that sorc will still be able to run away from fights even after nerf teleport 3-5 times + dark exchange -> continue. You are vr6 right ? So I'm guessing You didn't spend that much time in pvp . Otherwise You wouldn't even bother with this "BE is OP nerf nerf nerf". I still can't see what is this big advantage of a sorc running away from actual fight. You know what is the counter of BE ? Chasing that sorc He isn't doing anything at all to help his teammates on battlefield and so is the chasing guy.

Actually I spend ALL my time in this game after hitting 50 in pvp, if that tells you anything...I have completed the first VR1 zone the rest is almost exclusively in Cyrodiil...

They will still be able to run away yes, not as much, and now they will be able to channel dark exchange on the move. We will see how it will play out, but I still don't think it is enough of a nerf to stop the spam, but it at least adds a penalty.

Sorcs leaving a fight only run away and never come back? what PvP server are you on? I need to come to that one where they run away and don't come back.

Syndy

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

f0rgiv3n27b14_ESO wrote: »

Theorycrafting?

Please do explain how they are theories and not facts?

hahahahahahah best thing I've read all day, thanks for the laugh man

Explain to me? I have asked more times than I care to count and NO ONE has given an answer...

BE + holding down block makes it so that you can not be CC'd..

Syndy

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

f0rgiv3n27b14_ESO wrote: »

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

You clearly have never actually played a sorc in pvp. That much is obvious.

Actually I have, and I firmly believe that immovable should be on everyone's bar no matter what class, the skill is invaluable with all the CC in this game. You get CC'd you die, is pretty much the name of this game.

And guess what? Immovable doesn't stop roots

Guess what happens when you get rooted?

You press BE and go away, and teleport 15m ahead if you are smart, that is what happens

Syndy

FENGRUSH wrote: »

If youre fighting at range like many sorcs are, you dont have to chain immovable. I use blink offensively and never use immovable. Please 1v1 me while chaining immovable or without it, and we can see whos awful anyway.

Stop preaching about a class youve only experienced from 1 side, especially when youre throwing out ideas like chaining immovable on a sorc.

Yes lets result to calling me a dirty names, that always proves points...

I have stated above I play a sorc as well.

Edit: I am at range too, I use Dawn of Wrath abilities, so i stay at range too, except I don't have the luxury of BE that holds my hand and allows me to keep creating gaps

Huckdabuck

f0rgiv3n27b14_ESO wrote: »

griszax wrote: »

f0rgiv3n27b14_ESO wrote: »

griszax wrote: »

f0rgiv3n27b14_ESO wrote: »

NB, use Radiant Magelight, also stack some HP, if you go full Magicka, expect to die in pvp.

Why You didn't comment about sorc still being able to run away with BE even after the nerf ? Guess You don't really care how they nerf it You just want to see class to get nerfed but not Yours ? Am I right ?:) I'm at 3.1 k hp so yeah I'm stacked with hp and I still found few nightblades with proper burst builds I played intensively solo /2-3 man grp pvp in eso, been crowned many times as emperor and it just amazes me how can someone think BE is op in any way.
I'm sure that next month all the cry babies gonna come back with some new OP ability that they can't overcome and it's gonna get nerfed.

It amazes me that you did not read the first part of the post, Radiant magelight reduces dmg from stealth by 50% increasing by 1% each lvl after morph...

It amazes me how people who PvP actually thing BE is ok, glad we can both be amazed talking to each other...

I know what radiant magelight do . But still You didnt answer my question : Why don't you comment that sorc will still be able to run away from fights even after nerf teleport 3-5 times + dark exchange -> continue. You are vr6 right ? So I'm guessing You didn't spend that much time in pvp . Otherwise You wouldn't even bother with this "BE is OP nerf nerf nerf". I still can't see what is this big advantage of a sorc running away from actual fight. You know what is the counter of BE ? Chasing that sorc He isn't doing anything at all to help his teammates on battlefield and so is the chasing guy.

Actually I spend ALL my time in this game after hitting 50 in pvp, if that tells you anything...I have completed the first VR1 zone the rest is almost exclusively in Cyrodiil...

They will still be able to run away yes, not as much, and now they will be able to channel dark exchange on the move. We will see how it will play out, but I still don't think it is enough of a nerf to stop the spam, but it at least adds a penalty.

Sorcs leaving a fight only run away and never come back? what PvP server are you on? I need to come to that one where they run away and don't come back.

And what campaign are you in that you either:

A. Can't kill the sorc
B. A sorc coming back to the same fight a minute or two later equals him roflstomping you that time.

I'm only asking because I'm sure a lot of those horrible terribad sorcs who spam BoL will want to join you to gain that precious AP!!!!

Syndy

Originally AB, atm Wabba, but the lag is insane... So gonna test some other waters somewhere

Halrloprillalar

f0rgiv3n27b14_ESO wrote: »

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

f0rgiv3n27b14_ESO wrote: »

Theorycrafting?

Please do explain how they are theories and not facts?

hahahahahahah best thing I've read all day, thanks for the laugh man

Explain to me? I have asked more times than I care to count and NO ONE has given an answer...

BE + holding down block makes it so that you can not be CC'd..

No. Try it yourself and you will see. Otherwise stop spouting nonsense.

f0rgiv3n27b14_ESO wrote: »

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

f0rgiv3n27b14_ESO wrote: »

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

You clearly have never actually played a sorc in pvp. That much is obvious.

Actually I have, and I firmly believe that immovable should be on everyone's bar no matter what class, the skill is invaluable with all the CC in this game. You get CC'd you die, is pretty much the name of this game.

And guess what? Immovable doesn't stop roots

Guess what happens when you get rooted?

You press BE and go away, and teleport 15m ahead if you are smart, that is what happens

No. The fact you are rooted means you are on your back already. Curiously, using breakout on a stun/KD while rooted does not break the stun, possibly because root is immune to breakout, so it 'eats' the breakout.
IN short: you die.

f0rgiv3n27b14_ESO wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

If youre fighting at range like many sorcs are, you dont have to chain immovable. I use blink offensively and never use immovable. Please 1v1 me while chaining immovable or without it, and we can see whos awful anyway shitsmear.

Stop preaching about a class youve only experienced from 1 side, especially when youre throwing out ideas like chaining immovable on a sorc.

Yes lets result to calling me a dirty names, that always proves points...

I have stated above I play a sorc as well.

Edit: I am at range too, I use Dawn of Wrath abilities, so i stay at range too, except I don't have the luxury of BE that holds my hand and allows me to keep creating gaps

So a sorc can't kill you and you are complaining? What? If you think this running away thing is so bloody strong, why don't you main a sorc? WTF is the point of this thread?

griszax

f0rgiv3n27b14_ESO You seem to have problems with reading I even told You how to counter that coming back sorcs. You just keep chasing him if that sorc is really bothering You so much but that would be dumb, You could use this time to kill /heal Your teammates while that OP sorc is just teleporting away Wow You hit vr6 in pvp ? I made vr1-vr6 by pvping in less than 2 weeks. Right now I'm almost at 9 kk AP all gained by solo/ 2-3 man group play "if that tells you anything". In real pvp situations teleporting away puts You already in disadvantage since You are wasting all Your resources just to stay away from fight while Your team is fighting. In 1vs1 if sorc is spamming BE then I can't see him being in advantage from doing this. The situations You fantasize are just dumb - if that sorc is really running away by spamming BE then he already lost hp /mana in fight and have to waste his stamina to get all that back. Guess what happens when You get cc'ed without stamina ?:) There is no real advantage of spamming BE beside a sorc that might survive with no resources for any fight. And if he wants to get back then how he gonna do that ? Spam BE back to fight ? Guess what no mana again . You guys just see 1 side of this and just call OP without even thinking.

Syndy

@Halrloprillalar

I'm just gonna say, "NO" to you last post...

Holding down block will prevent you from being knocked down, and if you are rooted it does not mean you are intantly K/D as well. The only one spouting nonsense atm, is you.

I don't main a sorc because I prefer to heal and I am on of the few healers our group has.

OniMalkav

Ok so when does Gap-Closers get the same treatment or range decrease from 20+ to ~10 or both ? And when does +28 meter Venom-Arrow/Light-Attack machinegun get a "reload" or Flying Blade spam end, I mean these abilities FAAAAAAAR out-range BE and can be used as counter.

Oh and when does BoL get a fix where it doesn't always absorb the projectiles and BE's +morphs which sometimes doesn't even get off (happens occasionally and needs a relog).

Oh and Dragon Blood is ok I guess it totally wouldn't mind to have same increase cost when spam casted so you can't spam heal yourself from 10% to +60% in few flashes while blocking, hey maybe same could be done to Scales too...

FFS there are far more broken skills than Bolt Escape, but since population probably is largely "OverPowerKnights of Flamy Doom" they don't complain on their own skills... IJS

Syndy

griszax wrote: »

f0rgiv3n27b14_ESO You seem to have problems with reading I even told You how to counter that coming back sorcs. You just keep chasing him if that sorc is really bothering You so much but that would be dumb, You could use this time to kill /heal Your teammates while that OP sorc is just teleporting away Wow You hit vr6 in pvp ? I made vr1-vr6 by pvping in less than 2 weeks. Right now I'm almost at 9 kk AP all gained by solo/ 2-3 man group play "if that tells you anything". In real pvp situations teleporting away puts You already in disadvantage since You are wasting all Your resources just to stay away from fight while Your team is fighting. In 1vs1 if sorc is spamming BE then I can't see him being in advantage from doing this. The situations You fantasize are just dumb - if that sorc is really running away by spamming BE then he already lost hp /mana in fight and have to waste his stamina to get all that back. Guess what happens when You get cc'ed without stamina ?:) There is no real advantage of spamming BE beside a sorc that might survive with no resources for any fight. And if he wants to get back then how he gonna do that ? Spam BE back to fight ? Guess what no mana again . You guys just see 1 side of this and just call OP without even thinking.

Holy, wall of text...

Grats on hitting vr6 in pvp in 2 weeks, you obviously have alot more time on your hands than me.

And considering the exploits that have been plaguing the game that actually says something about you as a player, you are dedicated and didn't exploit/bugs and were able to stand the state of pvp, or you participated in the exploits/bugs.

I haven't even PvP'd in 2 weeks due to the caltrops, and Merc bugs. Actually haven't did anything but log in and feed my horse in 2 weeks tbh...

griszax

OniMalkav That's the point of this ... People crying over skill that is not even close to OP, while there are more important things to fix / balance. It's just silly to read these forums and pretty much on every page there is a thread "NERF BE sorc ran from me "

Halrloprillalar

f0rgiv3n27b14_ESO wrote: »

@Halrloprillalar

I'm just gonna say, "NO" to you last post...

Holding down block will prevent you from being knocked down, and if you are rooted it does not mean you are intantly K/D as well. The only one spouting nonsense atm, is you.

I don't main a sorc because I prefer to heal and I am on of the few healers our group has.

So you are unwilling to test this magical BE-block ability yourself and going to disagree with me simply on principle?
Because logic.

Smart DKs will K/D you first, then if you are lucky with timing you might get the BO before root so you can BE, if not, GG. How else do you think you get rooted... sorc??? LOL

You can also heal as a sorc btw. AND YOU STILL GET BE ZOMG.

Basically your entire argument in this thread is "I don't want to have to use certain skills to kill someone because I like healing and because running away is OP"
Dat logic again.

Syndy

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

So you are unwilling to test this magical BE-block ability yourself and going to disagree with me simply on principle?
Because logic.

Smart DKs will K/D you first, then if you are lucky with timing you might get the BO before root so you can BE, if not, GG. How else do you think you get rooted... sorc??? LOL

You can also heal as a sorc btw. AND YOU STILL GET BE ZOMG.

Basically your entire argument in this thread is "I don't want to have to use certain skills to kill someone because I like healing and because running away is OP"
Dat logic again.

How did the DK catch you to K/D you? he charge? if so you should be holding down block while he is mid charge, no more K/D... Dat logic

The point of this thread was to say BE is getting an adjustment, it turned into wether is should or not.

There is no skill or combination or skills that counters BE + block/immovable...

I have said it in almost every post in this thread but apparently you haven't grasped that yet.

I'm sorry you cannot keep up with my logic because you are not reading what I have said repeatedly.