Deadly Bash - Before and After

skynet348b16_ESO

they need to put bash back to where it was, and to anyone who thinks shields shouldn't do much damage, well maybe u need a history lesson...Spartans had more kills with their shield then their spears

ShintaiDK

vyal wrote: »

Oh, and btw, Pierce armor? That's not ~40%, that's ~4%. So if you were thinking that was gonna be your replacement, think again. It's broken.

It would have been nice if they actually fixed that.

Dahkoht

skynet348b16_ESO wrote: »

they need to put bash back to where it was, and to anyone who thinks shields shouldn't do much damage, well maybe u need a history lesson...Spartans had more kills with their shield then their spears

Fine, make it cost a ridiculous amount of stamina then.

Again, having a spamable interrupt that is also high dps and low cost is plainly not a good mechanic.

PVT_Parts

Alpha_Protocol wrote: »

before:


after:


If bash cost 200 stamina without Deadly Bash, then it cost 100 stamina before 1.1.2 and 120 after... Is this really a big deal?

I found no "delay" or cooldown that some had complained about.

Damage was lowered by a good 30% as well. Before 230dmg, after 160dmg

PVT_Parts

Sadae wrote: »

Nehefer wrote: »

As a tank, I now have almost no way to DPS anything now that bashing my way through the game is worthless. Tanks literally have almost no damage output now. Soloing just got much more annoying.

Do up the 2H skill tree and use a 2H on your other weapon bar. You only need "tank mode" for group play, in which case your job isn't DPS; it's holding agro and staying alive.

We shouldn't be relegated to only using 1h/shield when in a group. If anything, 1h/shield should be the ultimate versatile fighting style as proven by history.

Maverick827

Dahkoht wrote: »

Duoing with someone is safer and kills packs of mobs faster , soloing groups of 4 can be dangerous and take a while.

Crazy talk isn't it ?

Yes, that is crazy, considering that you're talking about a game that's selling itself as the next installment in an RPG series known best for its intimate, solo gameplay for the past twenty years.

ErykGrimm

brandondickenson_ESO wrote: »

symbolism wrote: »

The problem with that theory, Samadhi - is that almost every class has something similar to "Bash" that they setup around and unlike other classes, the reason we were using "Bash" came down to the fact that it was the only ability we had that allowed us to do somewhat decent single target damage and be able to solo quest bosses, etc.

Later in the game with things like Vampire and the Mage/Fighter guild abilities, I have more options - but this would have effectively rendered my character useless from L1 to L30. I expect we'll see a dearth of tanks at end game.

It's simply not true. You cant just say things... Must be a Republican.

On your tank, try this: Fiery Breath -> Lava Whip -> Searing Strikes -> Block.

If you cant kill something... I just don't think anyone can help you.

How would someone's political party have any pertinance to this discussion? Didn't your parents ever tell you you it is wiser to keep your mouth shut and have people think you are foolish, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Now go to time out you bad little kiddie. On to the actual topic... bash was never intended to be a main source of dps. I play a dk main and also have a dk alt, both of which have a sword and shield on one bar. Bash is useful in its intended nature, in fact it does MORE damage now if you use it as intended. If you are having issues with damage post patch, you were relying too much on broken mechanics and just need to adapt.

Ohioastro

I refused to play that way because it seemed obviously imbalanced to me: an interrupt should be an interrupt, not an all-purpose main damage tool.

MrBeatDown

Since they nerfed the damage of bash I think they owe us a RACE change. I cant be an Imperial Dragon knight if I don't have any damage output designed for a Sword and Board Character. I would rather have an OP CASTER DK!! Left click weapon damage should be increased substantially since bash while blocking is nerfed. It is now not possible to play pve and I assume the only role Tank has in PvP is to operate siege equipement. And that's it. They are no longer a playable class. My job in a PvE dungeon should not be to carry 12 people through a dungeon and then when it comes time to play pvp Im forced to sit on the bench. Guess you people are going to have a hell of a time finding a tank for your trials. This is complete Horse Crap. Interrupt bash was never OP. Every single RACE and Skill Class can use Interrupt bash. If you are one of those people that gets beat up in PvP by interrupt Bash, you don't need to be in cyrodil Playing PvP anyway!!! You have no skill and You have no Idea how to manage your resources, And your gear is out of line with your build idea. The bottom line is, If you are one of those that cried about Interrupt bash being OP you do not know how to build a character. Me personally, ive had several Badass duels using Interrupt bash and depending on how skilled the player was that I was dueling, it was a very fair and close match 1 v 1 and both of us would be near death no matter who won. You kids need to learn proper resource management of your character and stop crying about an ability that every single RACE in this game can use. Thanks.

Alphashado

It was nerfed because people in pvp were suggesting it was OP. Which it probobly was. But in the end, just another nice pve ability nerfed because of pvp. It happens in every mmo that has pvp and pve. And unlike a fine wine, it dosn't get any better with time.

Brick_XI

I just can't see trying to reskill and test everything to find another option to solo quest alone and solo dungeon. When I go in a solo Dungeon I like to stay by myself and test my skills. i check all crates, sacks, bookshelves ect. I really dont want to grind to get the gold to respec then find out its just not going to work that way anymore. I dont have 3 hours to do a solo dungeon that way because it take 20 min a mob if i get luck and kill them, aka solo dungeon! please make the class able to do that and tell me how you did it so I can get back to questing. cyrodiil and all that is an after though, maybe at v10

MrBeatDown

Lets be realistic, The class is now just a meat shield with no damage ouput. A ez target in pvp with No offensive skills useable for dueling and killing a character, Meanwhile ranged casters can kill you with 1 spell and teleport across the map and not get touched. So now I get to ride a horse and use siege equipment in pvp. No other role available for a tank in this game for pvp. PvP is the only reason why I play this game anyway. Now I cant play the game anymore and I get punished in PvE. I get punished because EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER IN THIS GAME can use interrupt bash but the noob level 32 rainbow character in cyrodil cries when a V10 tank can kill them.. Complete NONSENSE!!!

Samadhi

MrBeatDown wrote: »

...EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER IN THIS GAME can use interrupt bash...

And now when it is used to interrupt it does higher damage.

Kewljag_66_ESO

I dont understad people here they expect the defensive skill line to also out DPS the DPS skill lines.......... To be balanced its one or the other not both like it was the first 6 weeks

Brick_XI

i was just wondering about those glyphs so i went and made 3 1 that added 28 bash dmg and 2 more that added 26 each. Thats 80 more dmg that should be added to each bash and the interrupt should get the bonus from the patch.

I get 71 from a normal bash and only 83 dmg with all the glyphs added. lmao talk about stats not adding up!!!! what happen to the other 80 i as supposed to gain? what even have those glyphs? oh ya i got 101 dmg with the glyphs ehen I interrupt. seem s really low for what it is supposed to be

Brick_XI

Kewljag_66_ESO wrote: »

I dont understad people here they expect the defensive skill line to also out DPS the DPS skill lines.......... To be balanced its one or the other not both like it was the first 6 weeks

if you can't solo quest or manage mobs of 3 as any class then something is wrong and things need buffed t make that possible

temjiu

ErykGrimm wrote: »

On to the actual topic... bash was never intended to be a main source of dps. I play a dk main and also have a dk alt, both of which have a sword and shield on one bar. Bash is useful in its intended nature, in fact it does MORE damage now if you use it as intended. If you are having issues with damage post patch, you were relying too much on broken mechanics and just need to adapt.

this. I didn't noticed a huge difference on my DK S&B toon, but then again, i only used bash when....here it comes...i wanted to interrupt. and it does plenty of damage that way.

and Im suprised that people put so much into just being a bash spammer that they had absolutely NO other points to put in other skills in their respective class trees so they could...you know...do damage outside of bash.

What amazes me is that people knew it was OP. people knew that Zenimin was going to change it. but they still put all their eggs in one basket.

if you are going to quit because you decided to be singular in your design, and follow FotM extreme build, then its not anyones fault but your own. My tank currently has NO issues. not just because i built some OTHER skills other then bash-centric ones, but i ALSO realize that my extra weapon is a single button push away.

Yup. That's right. one button push and you get plenty of extra damage with a destro staff...or a 2h weapon, or a bow.....cmon, lets get real here. having to respec because you chose NO offensive options because your pure DEFENSIVE build had enough damage to keep up with OFFENSIVE builds...well, if you can't see the issue with that, not sure what to tell ya.

NOW...having said that, I personally believe a free full respec isn't out of the question. or at the least, they could reset ANY points that have to do with buffing bash or defensive capabilities. it REALLY is silly to think that someone would pick a shield based character and NOT put a ton of their points into defensive abilites. and it's not a loss from the companies perspective....it's not like a skill reset is a paid service that they are losing money on. And I'll betcha bucks that giving out a full reset could save a few subs.

Just sayin...Imay not agree with many of the arguments for those wishing their bash back, but it doesn't mean that I want them to leave. I'd rather have them be able to enjoy the game too. if a full respec would accomplish that, then it's not a far stretch in my opinion.

On a personal note: I've always loved the idea of a shield and sword setup that could dish out decent damage. i like the look, style, and approach. in this game you can actually DO that if you set things up the right way. but it won't be a defensive build. now...a shield is a must for a solid defensive build...but the real issue was the toughest defensive build was putting out killing times as fast as 3/4 of the DPS builds out there. that was the issue. a single skill was making it so, which tends to quantify the skill as OP.

moXrox

Everyone knew that a damage nerf to bash will come, that was clear and announced a while ago already.

A 1h+shield user had more dps than with a 2H and that needed a fix.

MrBeatDown

Samadhi wrote: »

MrBeatDown wrote: »

...EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER IN THIS GAME can use interrupt bash...

And now when it is used to interrupt it does higher damage.

And what is that going to do to a boss in a Group dungeon since you cannot interrupt it? Now all you can is block. There is no viable attack in Sword and Board. The damage output from sword and board is so minimal, You would get about 4-6 attacks and deal approximately 1700 points of damage and be out of stamina and can no longer block. You die. You do not get to participate in dealing damage in group dungeons or PvP. The totally nerfed S&B. I want a Race change.

Aliquot

Has anyone considered that it may be a bug, i didn;t notice a difference in damage before or after i put points into deadly bash, they may have just screwed up a variable. I do not think the skill is properly increasing damage right now.

Brick_XI

Yea i just dont like having to fight this hard to take on a 2 archers and 1 melee guys. its not fun. I have a destro staff as my second and I still am having to much of a hassel with a mob of 3 or this vet4 troll. I just cant melee get close defean and alos do enough dmg with the way it is now. if your tank is so bad ass. pleas show me how you do it! show me you are even using this build please. because if you were i dont think you would say that.

ps: alos i didnt use the sheild bash that much and didnt have the glyphs till now. it just sucks to much stamina to block and fight when 3 guys are on you at once

Maverick827

moXrox wrote: »

Everyone knew that a damage nerf to bash will come, that was clear and announced a while ago already.

Some of us were also hoping for a 1H/Shield buff to counteract. Maybe increase the stam/damage ratio of Puncture or Low Slash or something like that. Obviously, we hoped in vain.

MrBeatDown

They better add a hot fix to the maintanence time to make a 1 handed sword do 220+ damage. The Imperial race is now nothing and sword and board finished.

Marika

my main is DK >( in every MMO i have played , pvp destroyed pve , because of people complaining about pvp, we pvers get the hit .

jkbennettb14a_ESO

temjiu wrote: »

ErykGrimm wrote: »

On to the actual topic... bash was never intended to be a main source of dps. I play a dk main and also have a dk alt, both of which have a sword and shield on one bar. Bash is useful in its intended nature, in fact it does MORE damage now if you use it as intended. If you are having issues with damage post patch, you were relying too much on broken mechanics and just need to adapt.

this. I didn't noticed a huge difference on my DK S&B toon, but then again, i only used bash when....here it comes...i wanted to interrupt. and it does plenty of damage that way.

and Im suprised that people put so much into just being a bash spammer that they had absolutely NO other points to put in other skills in their respective class trees so they could...you know...do damage outside of bash.

What amazes me is that people knew it was OP. people knew that Zenimin was going to change it. but they still put all their eggs in one basket.

Only quoted part of the statement to save some space.

I totally agree. What amazes me though it is how some one could stand to level a character by only pressing one button from level 1 all the way through V10. Talk about boring.

MrBeatDown

jkbennettb14a_ESO wrote: »

temjiu wrote: »

Only quoted part of the statement to save some space.

I totally agree. What amazes me though it is how some one could stand to level a character by only pressing one button from level 1 all the way through V10. Talk about boring.

This is Eso. I don't know what game you think this is, But you have to hit several buttons to get to V10

Must be one of the whiners that got his but whooped by a level 42 Basher in PvP because you don't know how to duel.

vyal

Oh, and one other thing... the whole "If you interrupt, it does MORE damage" thing?

Nope. Does 211, for me, which is less than the 263 the plain ol' bash was doing yesterday.

So, interpret as you wish, but it's not more.

Xsorus

Yeap, Bash is pretty much gone now.

I also laughed when I saw the interrupt damage now, like Vyal said.. Interrupting with Bash now does less damage then it did yesterday..So it was pretty much a massive nerf all around.

psychoman88ub17_ESO

Lol, Bashing is not a build. A couple of skill points on a passive that makes bash stronger is not a build.

Xsorus

psychoman88ub17_ESO wrote: »

Lol, Bashing is not a build. A couple of skill points on a passive that makes bash stronger is not a build.

It was pretty much the only thing that gave 1hd/shield any damage..Now its not got squat for damage.

I can't imagine trying to lvl as one now.