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Re: how Zenimax killed PvP to reduce the number of players in Cyrodiil
xylena_lazarow wrote: »Was anyone ever serious about this? I thought it was a meme, then ZOS actually did it.Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »Unfortunately this was a player suggestion
Unfortunately yes, but I can't name the player here :P
SeaGtGruff wrote: »Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »2) Made the Bridges destroyable
I have no clue which Zenimax employee had to bring Battlefield features to Elder Scrolls Online
This alone terminated the enjoyable Alessia Bridge battles which lasted 30 mins to 2 hours about every night to non-existent
Unfortunately this was a player suggestion, I was there when it was made and was one of those arguing against it but they listened to this player/sub group instead. It does sound like a cool idea when you discuss it though to be fair.
Doesn't the game have repair kits? ZOS even consolidated the various types of repair kits into a single all-purpose repair kit. What is stopping players from buying repair kits and repairing destroyed bridges, just as they do with destroyed milegates? Sure, you can't repair sonething if it's taken damage too recently. But you can try to take out any siege engines that are doing damage, and have players from your alliance go around to the other side of the destroyed bridge to try to take out any siege engines on the other side. There are ways around destroyed milegates and bridges.
I'm not voicing an opinion on whether it was a good or bad idea to let bridges be destroyed. I'm just pointing out that there are ways to deal with destroyed bridges.
Yes you can repair them, the problem is moreso that there used to be a push-pull style of fighting over the bridge (and to a lesser extent the milegates) which encouraged more control over the objective and longer more enjoyable fights. Now if you are fighting on the bridge and one faction decides to destroy it, you can't really push there to stop the destruction. Additionally there used to be a lot of fun gameplay where players could cross the river and hit the flank without having to ride for 10m to do so.
Similarly with milegates they can be 'exploited' through even when down and heavily favour one side (due to the fact that they break in 3 segments), it would be better to just allow them to be a permanent objective like towers.
Especially considering tower destruction was disabled for 'performance' reasons - so why are the bridges and milegates destructible?
oh and the old map's terrain was much more fun around the bridge/milegates. RIP Alessia Boat.
Re: how Zenimax killed PvP to reduce the number of players in Cyrodiil
SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »SeaGtGruff wrote: »AngryPenguin wrote: »Vengeance is what we needed all this time. Cyrodiil was clearly on a skeleton crew if that, and No-Proc was a half-baked (if we're being charitable) attempt at helping performance. Instead it just confused everyone, nothing was clear, and Zenimax did not even do the bare minimum to clarify things.
But Vengeance? They're now quickly iterating on huge changes to the game's skill lines (WITH PVP-ONLY CHANGES!), a tripled population cap, and pushing a higher skill ceiling on strategy rather than pushing higher stats on gear & skills. I gave up completely on ESO until I heard about the vengeance tests, and had an absolute blast on the 2nd testing phase. If that comes back, I'll be back to playing it as my main game.
Cyrodiil kept my interest for hundreds of hours, but it was rotting over the years. And Vengeance had constant fights that were just as entertaining as my peak experience back in 2017 when defending Chalman and Sejanus. The fights were glorious, and it brought back a bunch of Pact PvP guildees for that one week. We all had a turn with being amazed at how fun Cyrodiil was again and how it felt like the good old days.
Vengeance will be the death of PvP if implemented as the only option. It's for the PvE crowd that won't stick around for any mode of PvP for any significant amount of time.
Vengeance is for testing possible ways to reduce problems and improve performance in Cyrodiil. It is intended for the PvP crowd who have been complaining for years about performance issues in Cyrodiil.
What changes has ZOS made to live Cyrodiil PvP as a result of what they've learned from vengeance? Any?
How soon are people expecting them to make changes to live PvP after a Vengeance test is over? How much time will people allow them to collect feedback and analyze data from the tests? And are people expressing how eagerly they're looking forward to any changes, or are they expressing outrage and threatening to rage quit if any changes are made?
One thing I've noticed ever since the first Vengeance test is that if I get into a fight and then can't mount up because I'm still in combat, it doesn't take nearly as long as it used to for me to get out of combat and be able to mount up. And right after that big three-way fight at Roe that they asked everyone to participate in at a certain day and time a few months ago, I remember Gina saying in an ESO Live stream that the devs had identified at least one issue that was causing disconnects, and I think they made some adjustments based on that discovery.
Re: The Crown Store has reached critical levels of immersion breakage
Anyone remember this?
Personally the dancer personality where people wiggle non stop is kind of odd...like what is wrong with them.
They need to pee.
Islyn
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I alone have Breached the Writhing Wall
I have done what no one esle has. This isn't datamined, this is fact.
https://x.com/ShirakoTheFirst/status/1952834960672387522?t=2E2p3q81cv8K7wVjbsqWzg&s=19
https://x.com/ShirakoTheFirst/status/1952834960672387522?t=2E2p3q81cv8K7wVjbsqWzg&s=19
Update on Solstice Treasure Map Leads - Drop Data - Aug 5, 2025
Tracking posts:
https://moonpile.tumblr.com/tagged/solstice treasure maps
Update: September 17:
I have a few Solstice maps left so I decided to use them.
I will not be buying more unless this is fixed. This is stupid.
TOTAL Solstice maps spent ONLY on 2/3 codex = 83
EMPTY (no leads) = 81
Maps since last lead: 66
Last & ONLY 2/3 codex Leads:
July 28: Geometric Stone-Nest Totem 2/3
July 30: Geometric Stone-Nest Totem 3/3
1.5 months and 66 maps with ZERO leads. Is this bugged?
OP:
Codex & leads:
Maps used:
Gold estimates:
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https://moonpile.tumblr.com/tagged/solstice treasure maps
Update: September 17:
I have a few Solstice maps left so I decided to use them.
I will not be buying more unless this is fixed. This is stupid.
TOTAL Solstice maps spent ONLY on 2/3 codex = 83
EMPTY (no leads) = 81
Maps since last lead: 66
Last & ONLY 2/3 codex Leads:
July 28: Geometric Stone-Nest Totem 2/3
July 30: Geometric Stone-Nest Totem 3/3
1.5 months and 66 maps with ZERO leads. Is this bugged?
OP:
Codex & leads:
- ONLY counting the 2/3 codex. See below.
- Only 2 leads so far.
- Only 1 item is unlocked 3/3: Geometric Stone-Nest Totem. This is still the only Totem purchasable after unlocking (for reference: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/677582/antiquities-are-missing-from-their-vendors-for-2-3-years)
- All 6 of the other furnishings that come from Treasure Maps are only 1/3 unlocked.
Maps used:
- Total maps spent JUST on 2/3 codex = 31
- EMPTY (no leads) Solstice maps to date = 29
- Maps since last lead: 14
Gold estimates:
- Approx. (not actual) gold spent ONLY on the 2/3 codex to date, based on TTC avg. prices at this time: 1.4 million
- That's 1.4 million gold to get mostly nothing but decon / vendor garbage.
- The above is not counting 1/3 codex, which is approximately an additional ~ 500,000 - 1,000,000 gold
- I'm posting this primarily for those who are new / returning / not flush / don't want to experiment with millions of gold – This is NOT an accessible system where one might reasonably expect to get something worthwhile. This is an multi-level RNG gold-sink (as were West Weald, Apocrypha, etc. before) and IMO, not fun. If you read my previous post, you'll see the 1/3 codex at least was curated & dropped every ~1-3 maps. Beyond 1/3, it's better to sell maps for now – prices typically fall after a year. Since we can't buy most of the totems, that makes them even less worthwhile.
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MoonPile
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PC Server Downtime & Extending Whitestrake's Mayhem
Hi All. Following the planned maintenance yesterday, an issue occurred that has resulted in additional downtime for our PC servers both yesterday and this afternoon/evening. During the planned maintenance, we performed an update to the login system and there was a configuration problem that resulted in some backend processes failing. Both times this issue cropped up, we've worked to resolve the problem as quickly as possible. We recognize that the extra downtime has been frustrating, and we are fast tracking a potential fix with no downtime for tomorrow.
While we already preemptively added an extra day to the Whitestrakes Mayhem event because of the planned maintenance yesterday, we're now adding another additional day to the event to make up for the time PC players lost yesterday and today. Whitestrake's Mayhem will now end on August 7 on all platforms. We appreciate your patience. Thank you!
While we already preemptively added an extra day to the Whitestrakes Mayhem event because of the planned maintenance yesterday, we're now adding another additional day to the event to make up for the time PC players lost yesterday and today. Whitestrake's Mayhem will now end on August 7 on all platforms. We appreciate your patience. Thank you!
ZOS_Kevin
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Warden Charm's cooldown needs to be increased
Warden Class Mastery Script is one of the most broken "abilities" in the game, especially if used defensively. This is how it functions:
Not only does it snare players for 70% in an 8m radius, it also charms them for 3s (which btw is still a buggy mechanic and can cause them to get stuck in objects or unable to break free out of). If nobody gets charmed, you restore 1.4k mag AND stam.
Like.. What?? Standard CC immunity duration is 7s, and this skill has an 8s cooldown. If you use the Charm off cooldown, you will maintain a 87.5% uptime on this effect lol.. Even if you don't stun anybody, you are still snaring them by 70% and also netting 1.4k stam AND mag which translates to 358 stam and mag recovery.
If you've ever fought players using the Charm, you'll know just how absurd it is when used defensively. Most players use the Warden Charm on Healing Soul, so the only 2 options you have are:
1) You pop an immovable potion which lasts 16s and requires you to save it for that specific offensive window. If your opponent can survive the window then you may not have another shot.
2) You have so much burst that they die before the Charm effect takes place.
Otherwise, it's almost a guaranteed recover for whoever is using this script. That is exactly why the majority of sweaty players swapped to Warden base class despite only using 1 Warden line. It's to gain access to this class script lol.
Warden Charm needs to have its duration increased to 15s at the very least so that players can't just spam it off cooldown and maintain an almost 100% uptime. It's absurd.
Not only does it snare players for 70% in an 8m radius, it also charms them for 3s (which btw is still a buggy mechanic and can cause them to get stuck in objects or unable to break free out of). If nobody gets charmed, you restore 1.4k mag AND stam.
Like.. What?? Standard CC immunity duration is 7s, and this skill has an 8s cooldown. If you use the Charm off cooldown, you will maintain a 87.5% uptime on this effect lol.. Even if you don't stun anybody, you are still snaring them by 70% and also netting 1.4k stam AND mag which translates to 358 stam and mag recovery.
If you've ever fought players using the Charm, you'll know just how absurd it is when used defensively. Most players use the Warden Charm on Healing Soul, so the only 2 options you have are:
1) You pop an immovable potion which lasts 16s and requires you to save it for that specific offensive window. If your opponent can survive the window then you may not have another shot.
2) You have so much burst that they die before the Charm effect takes place.
Otherwise, it's almost a guaranteed recover for whoever is using this script. That is exactly why the majority of sweaty players swapped to Warden base class despite only using 1 Warden line. It's to gain access to this class script lol.
Warden Charm needs to have its duration increased to 15s at the very least so that players can't just spam it off cooldown and maintain an almost 100% uptime. It's absurd.
hoangdz
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Re: The Crown Store has reached critical levels of immersion breakage
When you ask, "Is there a style or kind of cosmetic we have made in the past that you would like us to lean more into?" to me, that signals something I've been feeling for the past year or two: that the team might be lost when it comes to creative direction, especially regarding cosmetics.
It gives the impression that decisions are being driven more by monetization than by a clear, passionate vision for what Elder Scrolls is and that’s deeply concerning.
The question isn't meant to mean we have lost our way. It is only to signal this: Some have expressed frustration with cosmetic direction and saying years prior have been better and more grounded. It is helpful to have examples to specifically point to the team and say, "some folks are frustrated with some of the flashier cosmetics and would want something like (Insert Example). In future planning, can we have more thought into some less flashy, more grounded content?"
It's the info I need to do my job effectively. The team has a plan and is carrying it forth. Everyone in this thread I think wants player feedback to have an impact in decision making. So getting that info as early as possible is the only way to make that happen.
Considering the topic largely centers around a) the Crown Store, b) polymorphs and c) mounts, I'll use examples from these areas.
Polymorphs: Generally I think most polymorphs are fine - I especially liked the Minotaur polymorph, which is really unique yet still grounded in Tamriel, representing a currently unplayable race from the mortal plane. A possible polymorph in a similar direction might be a Hagraven or Nereid, for example.
Mounts: I had a look through the last dozen or so Crown Crate seasons, and I think all Apex level mounts are generally the direction I like: Thematic to a faction or culture from Tamriel, using believable materials and species. Something like Buoyant Armiger, Order of the Lamp, Baandari, or Akaviri Potentate mounts are what I'm talking about - not conjured mounts from another plane, atronachs, or mystical apparitions. Just normal mounts with a precise cultural theme.
Radiant Apex level mounts I liked were the Oldefire Elk - which is just a color variant of the Stonelore Elk with slightly more effects - and the Potentate Cloudrace Courser, which while still mystical comes with a more muted color palette and grounded armor.
A good starting point for similar mounts might be going through all the 10 playable races, and asking yourself if they have a good set of mounts representing their culture - e.g. I'd really love a Bonemold themed Dunmeri set of mounts, or distinctly Bretonic horse armor.
Faulgor
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Re: Spearhead scrap and Heavily played card drop rate?
fall0athboy wrote: »Why not upgrade?
Here is an example. I upgraded Runes of the Draoife to Vestments of the Druid King.
I'm incentivized to play Druid King because I like some of the cards and play that it offers when going second.
That said, because I upgraded Runes of the Draoife, sometimes my opponent just get's a turn one Vestments of the Druid King and they spank me. Vestments is way stronger, it's a great turn one option, and I get randomly spanked by it.
If I had never upgraded Runes of the Draoife, then I wouldn't be randomly losing these games where I go second and the opponents get's the "I win" button of Vestments on their first turn when there is no counterplay.
That's why you don't upgrade cards. Unless you have a strategic reason to do something, it's always better to not do that thing. And that is especially so in this case because there is no way to undo the upgrade. My main account is ruined, from a TOT optimization perspective, because I made this dumb error. Don't be like me.
Re: Where are the Actual Patch Notes?
acastanza_ESO wrote: »MincMincMinc wrote: »MincMincMinc wrote: »
They are literally re-writing the game from scratch with vengeance. At the very least 50% of the team is working on restructuring the whole game from the ground up in a performative way.
If 50% of the team is working on that, why are we seeing just minuscule changes to the system every 3-6 months? They aren't even clear about what the end goal is. They keep stating that the system is purely for performance testing, and won't clarify whether they intend to actually implement it as a replacement for cyrodiil or if they are just going to apply what they learned to the current live system.
Lets not forget that in 2021/2022, zenimax told us they were rewriting the entire base code of the game. They said that it would fix performance, and allow them to make changes to the game without breaking things or causing more lag. They said that because of how many resources they were devoting to this project, there would be zero further development on PVP while the work was underway.
Then after nearly two years of "work" on this project, they announced they'd made no tangible progress and had no plans for continuing it.
Seeing the current pace for vengeance development and the lack of clarity around the future of the project or it's intended goals, coupled with knowing the history of similar tests going back 8 years or so, it's hard to believe that vengeance is anything other than more of the same.
Well they are not writing out all of the background changes, you shouldn't expect that. We only see the surface changes taking place. Back in those years they did rewrite a large portion of background code if you did a lot of pts testing. There were plenty of changes to how cast times were handled, desync issues, death flags. Again we can't see everything nor do they tell us. If they knew one thing was ever going to fix performance they were lying through their teeth or mispoke. Anyone with any sort of engineering or basic problem solving skills knows that this is a very multifaceted issue.
People somehow want zos to immediately add sets and other build choices when those are like 5+ tests out. Chances are we still have many "boring" or "empty" changes for upcoming tests.
- Flush out skill lines. Testing background things like achievements, addons, etc
- Flush out skill lines. Testing Aoe cap increase on dmg, lower aoe cap on heals
- Flush out skill lines. Test effect stacking limits and prevent heal/buff outside of group
- Add mundus and armor layer(no sets) (skills do not change tooltip)
- Add armor and jewlery enchants
- Add Weapon enchants
- Add skill scaling based on DMG/MAX
- .......etc. we can go on or split up tests more before we get close to having morphs and set bonuses.
Could they be more transparent, yeah, plenty to be angry with that. Honestly I thought they were going to completely give up after the first vengeance test.
You can not assume they are working on any of those things if they will not communicate about them. ZOS has done absolutely nothing to deserve this level of deference and blind faith. If anything, assuming they're all on vacation is the more reasonable assumption basing on the things we've seen. If they are working on substantial back end changes (doubt), then they have a responsibility to tell us that that is why the things that are actively making the game worse are not showing meaningful progress.
Well its not blind, back then you could go test the 100% mit bugs and exploits happening while they changed how the server handles cast timed skills. They had also said this vengeance will still be doing background achievement type layers....so idk what more you want. I am just not going to get upset because I can't read the source code daily.
In no way was I defending the poor communication zos currently has with the playerbase. With so many combat centric issues it would be more straight forward if wheeler posted on the forums the main issues with combat and how they are working on them. >> Hey we see too much crit damage being prevalent......Assassination is to overloaded and damage skill lines have stacking unique large crit damage passives.<<
Also they do not have a responsibility to do anything really.
