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Re: Your Play Experience b/t Update 45 and Update 46 with Subclassing and Scribing In Base Game
Hi Kevin,
Wouldn't it be useful to add follow-up questions for the people who answer "no" to your first question as well?
I'm pretty sure it's just a matter of hastily overlooking this, and not a matter of ill intent, but right now it appears to me like you're not looking for actual feedback, and are instead looking for positive user experiences to use in your next bit of marketing. Optics matter.
The assumption here was that if the answer to the first question was "no" that folks would tell us why as part of the first question response and then ignore the remaining questions as they would not be relevant. Responses to these questions are not being used by marketing at all. The questions came up while having a meeting with our combat team about subclassing and some of the data they are reviewing. So we are trying to get some feedback for the team. Whether your experience has been positive or negative, we want to hear it.
What data are they reviewing? I think understanding their headspace will help us with our feedback.
Destai
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Re: Is "teabagging" [still] considered Trolling and/or Toxic?
Then why do we call it by that name?
JavaRen
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Re: PTS Update 47 - Feedback Thread for Classes & Abilities Changes
MincMincMinc wrote: »
The big problem is that I don't see how this can be fixed. Either sorc should have all their dps passives shoved into one skill line so they can compete with other classes, or arcanist, necro and probably nightblade need their skills and passives dispersered across the class skill lines.
Essentially the design philophosy for the DLC classes is the exact opposite of what they are now suggesting the direction of balance with subclassing should be.
Bingo, the some classes were designed to be clear and easy to learn with a clear damage, tank, heals line. Now they would have to be rebalanced such that each line offers the trinity on its own to convey a playstyle. Otherwise there is nothing stopping us from slotting 3x highly efficient damage lines like Animal, Assassin, Aedric spear
As for the more original base classes they need to be altered to have stand alone skill lines that can operate on their own. Stormcalling as a good example having raw responsive damage, healing while aggressive, and tankiness from mobility which pairs well with the responsive damage. Dark magic is the bad example, where it gets damage from frags, but the general playstyle of a frags magsorc normally needs mages wrath, curse, and ward to function. Daedric summoning also falls flat on damage, The damage morphs of pets could be reworked to pair up better or if ward/curse got traded with encase/mines, A skill like encase on petsorc could be used as a temporary pet buff or pet attack skill.
I mean it feels like a uniquely sorc issue at this point tbh. Nightblade and Dragonknight are both pretty much segmented between DPS/Tank/Heal(Utility) and Templar has a very obvious heal line with two strong DPS lines (one of which is kinda tank oriented). Sorc is just a jumble of junk spread across 3 lines that is usable but worse than other classes in every facet.
Re: PTS Update 47 - Feedback Thread for Classes & Abilities Changes
So i did some sorc testng on PTS. Forgive the long post.
Firstly, "pure" sorc with crystal frags vs bound armaments
Frags parse
bound arms parse
build. I literally just swapped bound arms and frags.
Bound arms does basically the same damage, but it gets +5k dps from sundered procs. You can't see it, but the frags sundered proc was 800dps.
You can also see the blood magic uptime, the higher max magicka and how little that matters.
Blood magic
There is no reason for this passive to require activation. 10% max resource is nice, but it's hardly super powerful. I don't know why it needs to be conditional.
Secondly dropping dark magic entirely for aedric spear.
I want to note, I didn't slot or use any skills from aedric spear. This is exactly the same build, just trading out dark magic for aedric spear.
Finally, going all in on "pure" mag sorc
This is easily the highest dps I've managed on a straight up mag sorc build. Granted i've done it with a stam spammable, but i'm sure the same numbers would be achiveable with frags as spammable, i just hate the 0.8s cast time.
I'm not going to lie, I feel like this build is the best example of how class balance *should* work with subclassing. Every skill line you take out costs you something.
Arcanist and necromancer are the worst examples.
An Arcanist dps has literally no reason to keep Soldier of Apocrypha or Curative Runeforms. In fact, if they do keep them, they are doing it wrong.
The big problem is that I don't see how this can be fixed. Either sorc should have all their dps passives shoved into one skill line so they can compete with other classes, or arcanist, necro and probably nightblade need their skills and passives dispersered across the class skill lines.
Essentially the design philophosy for the DLC classes is the exact opposite of what they are now suggesting the direction of balance with subclassing should be.
Firstly, "pure" sorc with crystal frags vs bound armaments
Frags parse
bound arms parse
build. I literally just swapped bound arms and frags.
Bound arms does basically the same damage, but it gets +5k dps from sundered procs. You can't see it, but the frags sundered proc was 800dps.
You can also see the blood magic uptime, the higher max magicka and how little that matters.
Blood magic
There is no reason for this passive to require activation. 10% max resource is nice, but it's hardly super powerful. I don't know why it needs to be conditional.
Secondly dropping dark magic entirely for aedric spear.
I want to note, I didn't slot or use any skills from aedric spear. This is exactly the same build, just trading out dark magic for aedric spear.
Finally, going all in on "pure" mag sorc
This is easily the highest dps I've managed on a straight up mag sorc build. Granted i've done it with a stam spammable, but i'm sure the same numbers would be achiveable with frags as spammable, i just hate the 0.8s cast time.
I'm not going to lie, I feel like this build is the best example of how class balance *should* work with subclassing. Every skill line you take out costs you something.
Arcanist and necromancer are the worst examples.
An Arcanist dps has literally no reason to keep Soldier of Apocrypha or Curative Runeforms. In fact, if they do keep them, they are doing it wrong.
The big problem is that I don't see how this can be fixed. Either sorc should have all their dps passives shoved into one skill line so they can compete with other classes, or arcanist, necro and probably nightblade need their skills and passives dispersered across the class skill lines.
Essentially the design philophosy for the DLC classes is the exact opposite of what they are now suggesting the direction of balance with subclassing should be.
Tannus15
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Re: Accounts banned from guild question
So as far as that pvp addon that shows if a user changed their name...it only shows the last name they changed from...do with that info as you will, if you can figure out what I mean.
Re: Accounts banned from guild question
That's it.I've seen how black listing gets abused, which is partially where this is coming from. For example, a friend of mine was a victim of this and had this other person's friends doing dirt against them (former Guild person) and it continued even after the @name was changed which resulted in them getting fed up and eventually leaving the game over it. People would not leave him alone over something that actually someone else started themselves. Leaving the game, I guess was the only thing he could do because he didn't want to start over and why should he. They got away with it and so that is a reason why I resist things so frequently is because I've seen how far people will go to do things out of spite and abuse other people.
If I'm understanding you correctly, you want the blacklist to continue blocking the person you added but not to display changes just track it quietly?
So let's say that I add Mannimarco to my block list because he is a necromancer. He changes his name Wormblood. Wormblood can not whisper me or join my guild because he is still banned. But the display name will still be Mannimarco on my ban list. This way his actions don't follow him around even when he's not even talking to me.
Is this correct?
Re: Your Play Experience b/t Update 45 and Update 46 with Subclassing and Scribing In Base Game
Hi All! We are looking to understand how Update 46 and the launch of Subclassing, and more recently making Scribing a part of the base game, may have changed the play experience and character build for you and the content you engage in.Any and all feedback is helpful for us to relay back to the Combat Team. That way, they have anecdotal experience to add to their existing data. Thanks in advance to all constructive feedback!
- Did your ability to play and/or complete certain types of game content improve after the launch of Update 46?
- If so, prior to the launch of Update 46, what was your character build?
- What did you change to your character build when Update 46 launched that allowed you to play or complete content that you had trouble with before?
- What game content was it?
(This is strictly to get feedback on your play experience between Update 45 and Update 46. We are not factoring Update 47 PTS feedback in this since it is not available to everyone at the moment).
Did your ability to play and/or complete certain types of game content improve after the launch of Update 46?
No.
feedback is helpful
Zos policy/paradigm of catering to casual, ephemeral and/or occasional players rather than a more eclectic approach inclusive to existing long term players has pretty much hit many longer term players who have simply quit. You know: apparent lack of interest in them, their needs etc is pretty much reflected when they move on from eso. The ones like me who are left have been entrained by this policy/paradigm towards a much more transient and casual approach, expecting less and spending less time in game and less money.
Regarding scribing and subclassing I have barely looked at either. I just don't feel motivated to do so, especially since this casualisation policy/paradigm, among others, has driven away a lot of players I'd normally do group content with. In fairness, I do have time-constraints which also impacts my game time. My main concern with subclassing is the destruction of the core game classes which will make it much harder for these ephemeral/transient casual players (me now) zos have created and/or encouraged to resume eso with extant characters on relogging after an absence. With scribing and the associated Golden Pursuit currently active, which is presumably to encourage an exploration of scribing, zos have disincentivised me to engage because I actually bought Gold Road so cannot grab even the simplest of those by 'claiming scribing from the crown store'. Again, this apparent absence of real interest in me as a paying player is reflected as no interest from me in engaging with eso and any 'new' system introduced. In fairness, once more, Golden Pursuits are generally as interesting to me as watching paint dry but, still, I'd expect more effort and directed intent towards inclusivity in such game activities from zos, nonetheless.
I fully expect a new 'update 35' incoming which will hammer damage and sustain - and likely any interest in resumption of playing eso given the implied pressure at that point to embrace, in particular, subclassing for any of my characters to have any kind of group role viability. It's already clear that the core classes and their viability are the first casuality to subclassing and, despite statements that it's not zos' intent to do this, I don't really see this improving.
Thanks for asking, though.
tincanman
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Re: Upcoming U47 PTS changes, based on feedback
Stats transfer from bound armour to blood magic turns out to be not a simple power shift but yet another nerf to sorcerer, and to daedric summoning of all lines that has fallen behind as is, only seeing use as a flavour line in pve or to fill spare slots with pets’ free damage, while also being one of the weakest lines in pvp.
This change only makes sorcerer even harder to subclass. Power has been taken from already weak daedric summoning, while dark magic suffers from much deeper issues that some stat boost has no effect on.
Not to mention that the stat boost isn’t even guaranteed but has a condition that isn’t easy to fulfill reliably, anywhere outside of group pve. Making it a nerf even to “pure” sorcerer.
Please, just add this bonus to expert summoner or something, it’s very weak anyway. Don’t split max stats between lines, and stop nerfing already weak lines, buff them instead.
This change only makes sorcerer even harder to subclass. Power has been taken from already weak daedric summoning, while dark magic suffers from much deeper issues that some stat boost has no effect on.
Not to mention that the stat boost isn’t even guaranteed but has a condition that isn’t easy to fulfill reliably, anywhere outside of group pve. Making it a nerf even to “pure” sorcerer.
Please, just add this bonus to expert summoner or something, it’s very weak anyway. Don’t split max stats between lines, and stop nerfing already weak lines, buff them instead.
Re: Torc of the Last Ayleid King DROP CHANCE TOO LOW???
I personally love IA, but yeah, if anyone is grinding out to get the Torc after they added the Daedric Jewelry Station and other leads into IA, then be prepared to be grinding for a couple of months.
I got my leads all in one run when I ran with a guildmate all the way to Arc 9+. But since they added in a ton of other leads and other things that can drop in IA, it will literally take you MONTHS of grinding to get the Torc now.
At the very least, they should make Torc leads (and only torc leads) drop only from the little side-event portals that happen in IA, so people know where to focus their efforts and it would limit the drop pool for the targeted event. That would be a huge help. And it will still be difficult to get because if you have finished buying all the extra IA buffs, you are permanently at the most difficult levels for all of the side events (looking at you Daedric Octopus), so you won't complete them every time.
I got my leads all in one run when I ran with a guildmate all the way to Arc 9+. But since they added in a ton of other leads and other things that can drop in IA, it will literally take you MONTHS of grinding to get the Torc now.
At the very least, they should make Torc leads (and only torc leads) drop only from the little side-event portals that happen in IA, so people know where to focus their efforts and it would limit the drop pool for the targeted event. That would be a huge help. And it will still be difficult to get because if you have finished buying all the extra IA buffs, you are permanently at the most difficult levels for all of the side events (looking at you Daedric Octopus), so you won't complete them every time.
Re: PTS Update 47 - Feedback Thread for Classes & Abilities Changes
So i did some sorc testng on PTS. Forgive the long post.
Firstly, "pure" sorc with crystal frags vs bound armaments
Frags parse
bound arms parse
build. I literally just swapped bound arms and frags.
Bound arms does basically the same damage, but it gets +5k dps from sundered procs. You can't see it, but the frags sundered proc was 800dps.
You can also see the blood magic uptime, the higher max magicka and how little that matters.
Blood magic
There is no reason for this passive to require activation. 10% max resource is nice, but it's hardly super powerful. I don't know why it needs to be conditional.
Secondly dropping dark magic entirely for aedric spear.
I want to note, I didn't slot or use any skills from aedric spear. This is exactly the same build, just trading out dark magic for aedric spear.
Finally, going all in on "pure" mag sorc
This is easily the highest dps I've managed on a straight up mag sorc build. Granted i've done it with a stam spammable, but i'm sure the same numbers would be achiveable with frags as spammable, i just hate the 0.8s cast time.
I'm not going to lie, I feel like this build is the best example of how class balance *should* work with subclassing. Every skill line you take out costs you something.
Arcanist and necromancer are the worst examples.
An Arcanist dps has literally no reason to keep Soldier of Apocrypha or Curative Runeforms. In fact, if they do keep them, they are doing it wrong.
The big problem is that I don't see how this can be fixed. Either sorc should have all their dps passives shoved into one skill line so they can compete with other classes, or arcanist, necro and probably nightblade need their skills and passives dispersered across the class skill lines.
Essentially the design philophosy for the DLC classes is the exact opposite of what they are now suggesting the direction of balance with subclassing should be.
The problem here is you can drop any of the sorc lines for just assassination and be outright better than anything you can do with sorc while also losing a huge part of sorc's overall functionality. The kit is way too dispersed compared to other dps options to make it viable in subclassing. In an ideal world the sorc design would be the standard where you're incentivized to use any or all of the lines, but that's not where the game is so its power needs to be focused in one or two of the lines. Sorcs strongest damage skill and now resource passive being in a horrible line makes the class viability weaker as a whole, especially since the resource passive has a proc component.