Not to mention back at High Isle, when they introduced moving boats as scenery, they had to force players to slide off them, as they found if you tried to stand on one it straight crashed the game.

I wouldn't even exactly call Mounts that can swim a water "mechanic".

Moonspawn wrote: »

Forget about the third team for a moment and imagine I'm number 6.

You're the first player I'm targeting.

tomofhyrule wrote: »

Don't hold your breath.

Slaughterfish are designed to block areas. This is not an open world; it's compartmentalized by zones. And the point of slaughterfish is to prevent players from going out of bounds.

If they allowed players to swin through slaughterfish, you'd get invisible walls instead. Not to mention that the slaughterfish in Cyrodiil are specifically there to funnel players to the bridges like how the terrain along the milegates will concentrate fights there. It's a design choice.

There isn't such thing like a total open world even in Single Player games as you will find invisible walls or even worse have fall damage from areas with a very step inclination, so you will glide down and die instead of becoming fish food, if you get too close to that area of game. Another option is auto teleport back players when they get too close to off limit areas.

In TES Oblivion you had the same feature with Slaughterfish in combination with very step inclination around rivers that would stop players to go into land that haven't been created (there are mods that expands playable areas and let player go beyond those limitation - but those mod created areas are often not fully complete as zones).

Danikat wrote: »

The lore is the easy part, the real problem with removing slaughterfish is that they're not what prevents you from going between zones, they're the 'curtain' to stop you seeing the edges of the set.

Like most games ESO wasn't built as a seamless open world and then partitioned up with obstacles like slaughterfish. Each zone exists separately in its own box and transitions from one to the other are functionally the same as wayshrines, teleporting you from one zone to another. The blank areas on the map don't exist at all.

So removing the slaughterfish or giving you a way to be protected from them or bypass them or whatever would just mean letting you hit the actual edge of the zone (and that usually involves clipping, overlapping terrain and other weirdness that makes it impractical to go there).

Letting us freely explore the ocean, larger lakes etc or even swim across a bay from one region to another would require building those extras zones. It's likely to be quicker than building actual zones since open water in this game is flat, dead space with nothing in it, although some players would probably expect that to be addressed at the same time (it is a huge waste of potential).

It can be done, but I suspect it would be weeks or months of work, not something to expect in the next update, and probably something ZOS wouldn't consider worth the time.

Or we could just load into the next zone while swimming instead of being eaten.

The only problem I could see with that is the loading itself while swimming. The character needs to remain in water when the loading into the next zone is done. That could be an issue. Or not, it depends on how the engine and servers would behave. Or the character could spawn on the ground, like on a beach or a dock.

For me, it seems that I get leads more often if I don't play the game for a little while.

But I also think that leads from later expansions have a higher drop chance. West Weald and Sostice ones were really easy to get, while the ones from Greymoor and Blackwood take forever to drop.

Just keep looking in any container you'll come across in delves and dungeons, and you'll find some eventually.

You can also steal with no risk of getting caught from places like the 2 ships in the Daggerfall harbour (Hotspur & Lydia) or the top floor of The Bearer's Rest Inn in Fargrave. The ships wil reset after a visit to the nearby outlaw's refuge, the Inn will reset as soon as you walk out of the door. I found a lot of motifs that way, especially in the Inn. You don't even have to launder the motifs to learn them.

Then there are many motifs you'll only get as a reward for doing daily zone or guild quests, doing specific dungeons of from treasure maps.

The UESP-wiki has a good list of motifs and how to get them.

It's probably also a good idea to join a starter-friendly guild. Many of them let you take recipes and motifs out of the guild bank, or share their exces stuff through guild chat.

The lore is the easy part, the real problem with removing slaughterfish is that they're not what prevents you from going between zones, they're the 'curtain' to stop you seeing the edges of the set.

Like most games ESO wasn't built as a seamless open world and then partitioned up with obstacles like slaughterfish. Each zone exists separately in its own box and transitions from one to the other are functionally the same as wayshrines, teleporting you from one zone to another. The blank areas on the map don't exist at all.

So removing the slaughterfish or giving you a way to be protected from them or bypass them or whatever would just mean letting you hit the actual edge of the zone (and that usually involves clipping, overlapping terrain and other weirdness that makes it impractical to go there).

Letting us freely explore the ocean, larger lakes etc or even swim across a bay from one region to another would require building those extras zones. It's likely to be quicker than building actual zones since open water in this game is flat, dead space with nothing in it, although some players would probably expect that to be addressed at the same time (it is a huge waste of potential).

It can be done, but I suspect it would be weeks or months of work, not something to expect in the next update, and probably something ZOS wouldn't consider worth the time.

subscription sure doesn't affect it. i get tons of leads on my account that doesn't have a sub. but it sure does seem like not having access to antiquities ups the drop rate on leads. alt account gets leads for everything without trying. same thing happened with my main account until i got greymoor and unlocked it on that one. not sure if that is what is going on or not, but it certainly seems that way and have joked about it with friends for years