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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Sheogorath Questline
Is it possible to remove the questline starter from the Collections -> Stories menu until it goes live (same with the Daggerfall Thieves Guild)? Because it may cause a lot of confusion for players that accept the quest from there and find out that the NPC isn't in-game yet.
Re: U50 Spoiler Thread for Thieves Guild Questline
A minor thing, but https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Librarian_Henard's_Research_Notes says "My only comfort is that Voernet's obscuring glamor will prevent the one responsible from understanding a word of it", implying that Voernet is responsible for encrypting the Codex Voernet.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Librarian_Henard's_Journal says "But I protected the tome with a spell of encryption"
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:A_Word_About_the_Lens says I encrypted the Codex Voernet to make sure its secrets remained safe.
I'm confused as to if Voernet or Henard is the one intended to be the one for encrypting the codex.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Librarian_Henard's_Journal says "But I protected the tome with a spell of encryption"
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:A_Word_About_the_Lens says I encrypted the Codex Voernet to make sure its secrets remained safe.
I'm confused as to if Voernet or Henard is the one intended to be the one for encrypting the codex.
Re: U50 Spoiler Thread for Thieves Guild Questline
I don’t remember being caught, but i remember servants seeing through stealth and even invisibility potions.
Re: U50 Spoiler Thread for Thieves Guild Questline
It seems that we are intended to get caught and tossed into a 'prison' so someone can come save us. I do not like situations were I am forced into confinement so someone else can save me. This causes a feeling of failure even when it could not be avoided. In the case of this quest line, I avoided being seen but was sent to the prison anyway as I was leaving. If she wanted extra stuffed to be stolen, she should have paid me to do it. I do not work for free and I did not want to complicate an already 'impossible' process. My first character went for the extra stuff, got caught, lost the stuff so what was the benefit?
If being caught is unavoidable by game mechanics . . .
. . . have the events show this. It is not good to allow a player to sneak through the quest only to be caught leaving by a guard that wasn't there a moment ago.
. . . create a dialogue that does not demean the player character for getting caught.
. . . Find a way to build up the street creds of the three thieves without demeaning the player's character. Some players maxed out the guild and completed the story line. Those folk deserve credit for their work.
Worst part is when we canonically possess the power to just teleport wherever we want, how can a prison cell hold me when I can just tear open an Oblivion Gate right there and then?
Re: U50 Spoiler Thread for Thieves Guild Questline
It seems that we are intended to get caught and tossed into a 'prison' so someone can come save us. I do not like situations were I am forced into confinement so someone else can save me. This causes a feeling of failure even when it could not be avoided. In the case of this quest line, I avoided being seen but was sent to the prison anyway as I was leaving. If she wanted extra stuffed to be stolen, she should have paid me to do it. I do not work for free and I did not want to complicate an already 'impossible' process. My first character went for the extra stuff, got caught, lost the stuff so what was the benefit?
If being caught is unavoidable by game mechanics . . .
. . . have the events show this. It is not good to allow a player to sneak through the quest only to be caught leaving by a guard that wasn't there a moment ago.
. . . create a dialogue that does not demean the player character for getting caught.
. . . Find a way to build up the street creds of the three thieves without demeaning the player's character. Some players maxed out the guild and completed the story line. Those folk deserve credit for their work.
If being caught is unavoidable by game mechanics . . .
. . . have the events show this. It is not good to allow a player to sneak through the quest only to be caught leaving by a guard that wasn't there a moment ago.
. . . create a dialogue that does not demean the player character for getting caught.
. . . Find a way to build up the street creds of the three thieves without demeaning the player's character. Some players maxed out the guild and completed the story line. Those folk deserve credit for their work.
shadoza
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lol! 222K Parse?!
Sorcerer with 222k… come on, is no one going to stop this nonsense?
Just give me overland difficulty so I can play ESO and avoid the ridiculous, meaningless numbers ZoS is turning this game into.
Anyway… good parse, Charles!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1qiAMlAO-EJust give me overland difficulty so I can play ESO and avoid the ridiculous, meaningless numbers ZoS is turning this game into.
Anyway… good parse, Charles!
Athory
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So ZOS finally admits that they have a strong pro stance on The Ebonheart Pact?
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom I knew all this time that you guys were pro EP..
This is disgusting. Why did I get this nasty mail via game with this abominating subject?
Aldmeri Dominion all the way! For the QUEEN!
Good to know that the reason why EP won the campaign is that they were carried by ZOS :
Team Purple exists for a reason.. and that is because DC and EP can't defeat us without teaming up! AD for LIFE! AD forever! May AD bring terror to our foes!
This is disgusting. Why did I get this nasty mail via game with this abominating subject?
Aldmeri Dominion all the way! For the QUEEN!
Good to know that the reason why EP won the campaign is that they were carried by ZOS :
Team Purple exists for a reason.. and that is because DC and EP can't defeat us without teaming up! AD for LIFE! AD forever! May AD bring terror to our foes!
RaikaNA
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Re: Wisteria's motivation? (Tanlorin's questline, text includes spoilers)
I think something else that should be discussed is the companion vs NPC.
If Tan had been an NPC in the companion questline, and the actual companion was someone like Hyacinth or even Wisteria, I think that Tan would have probably been accepted more readily, even without a single change in personality.
But, it is the difference between 'I see this character a few times, so, while their personality can be annoying, I can put up with it' vs 'This is a character that is meant to be a major part of the quest lines, through being a companion to me, I don't want a personality that is so annoying'.
This is also the difference between 'one and done' NPCs and recurring characters. If a character is recurring they are often held to higher standards than a character that you meet once and then move on once their quest/part in the quest is finished.
Tan is meant to be one of the 'highest' forms of recurring character, a companion that the player character is meant to want to have travel with them. I don't want Tan's story line to change, I am glad that there are people who like them.
But, I wish that Tan had had a personality that I liked and that their story line had been better written. Because while I can see Wisteria telling people about Tan's pronouns, I don't know exactly how widespread that would have traveled, and I don't know how well that would have been respected, especially since Tan was an enemy and someone that was supposed to be taken out of the way. Especially since it is seemingly an unusual choice in TES lore. Sure, we have had other 'they/them' characters, but it doesn't seem to be a widespread phenomenon, nor do I imagine it would be accepted everywhere.
If Tan had been an NPC in the companion questline, and the actual companion was someone like Hyacinth or even Wisteria, I think that Tan would have probably been accepted more readily, even without a single change in personality.
But, it is the difference between 'I see this character a few times, so, while their personality can be annoying, I can put up with it' vs 'This is a character that is meant to be a major part of the quest lines, through being a companion to me, I don't want a personality that is so annoying'.
This is also the difference between 'one and done' NPCs and recurring characters. If a character is recurring they are often held to higher standards than a character that you meet once and then move on once their quest/part in the quest is finished.
Tan is meant to be one of the 'highest' forms of recurring character, a companion that the player character is meant to want to have travel with them. I don't want Tan's story line to change, I am glad that there are people who like them.
But, I wish that Tan had had a personality that I liked and that their story line had been better written. Because while I can see Wisteria telling people about Tan's pronouns, I don't know exactly how widespread that would have traveled, and I don't know how well that would have been respected, especially since Tan was an enemy and someone that was supposed to be taken out of the way. Especially since it is seemingly an unusual choice in TES lore. Sure, we have had other 'they/them' characters, but it doesn't seem to be a widespread phenomenon, nor do I imagine it would be accepted everywhere.
Re: Faction Lock Idea: Allow us to forego campaign rewards to remain unlocked
Just a question. Was there officially some mentioned about the lock for GH? Every player has access to all aliances. Just make good agreements on which alliance your group wants to play. Then there is no need to remove the lock.
Some of us are in multiple guilds or are friends with people across different alliances. You cannot expect multiple friend groups that may not even know each other to all agree to a single alliance. I am part of one guild on AD and another guild on DC. That means for 30 days at a time, I am prevented from playing in Cyrodiil with one of those guilds.
Additionally, some of us have many different characters across all 3 factions. Why should I be expected to shill out real life money to purchase multiple faction tokens (which cost about $20 USD each) to consolidate all of those characters on a single alliance?
ZOS is removing the unlocked campaigns next patch in favor of Vengeance, which a good chunk of PvPers don't particularly enjoy. That means that my only options for a normal Cyrodiil experience are going to be to drop a boatload of money to consolidate all of my characters onto one Alliance (which I will NOT be doing lol), or to simply not play 2/3rds of my characters for a month at a time.
Faction Lock is inherently an anti-social mechanic in a game that should be about playing with your friends.
Re: Wisteria's motivation? (Tanlorin's questline, text includes spoilers)
JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »Sure, we have had other 'they/them' characters, but it doesn't seem to be a widespread phenomenon, nor do I imagine it would be accepted everywhere.
One of the things I like about Elder Scrolls is I haven't really seen anyone care about gender/sexuality stuff at all - as opposed to race where there is a lot of built-in drama there.
No one caring I feel is a nice way to avoid the Veilguard approach to gender/sexuality. I haven't seen anyone making comments about any of the same-sex couples. Or that argonian questline where they can change genders. I have a feeling in this universe if someone decided they were non-binary there wouldn't be much conversation about whether it is accepted or not, it would just be accepted and people just move ahead as though this is simply who they are.
I could be wrong, I can't really remember clearly if Alchemy ran into any discrimination or if that was something they put on themselves. I recall Alchemy's sister/friend (it's been a few years, I can't remember) being very accepting and not judgmental if I remember correctly.
I actually just went to look up Alchemy because I thought that there had been discrimination there, but I couldn't really find anything about it. I had thought that there had been a problem with her living as a woman, but it seems like it was more about Alchemy not joining the Sapiarchs than anything else.