Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

They should remove the dead campaigns to shore up the numbers in live ones.

There is something people keep leaving out... yes.. this is hands down the weakest turn out for MYM that I have ever seen..

But the queue is still 2 hours long.. why?!

They either A) lowered the pop cap (which they didn't) or The afk macro people are a problem.

Last night was the 4th night in a row where I spent 1.5-2 hours in queue (I got in queue right after work) only to get into Cyro and... struggle to find fights. The fights you did find were just stupid... the 4 people running circles around trees and rocks, running in towers, etc.

The largest ap tick I've gotten so far was.. 20k? I'm used to 150k ticks in MYM.

There is something going on with this camp. I don't know if there are stale sessions that aren't being cleared @ZOS_Kevin or if the pop somehow got borked between veng and this MYM... it just feels.... way off.

I know priorities are hard to shift and get dev time to look into stuff... but is there any chance we could get a dev just to do a quick once over of the cap/sessions etc and make sure there is nothing going on, Kevin?

ZOS can start by either fixing the medal score bug (at least in deathmatches) where critical heal medals give higher score than intended. The ingame information says it's supposed to reward 5 points each time you score a 10k heal, but for some reason it rewards you with 20 points. So either the medal is bugged or ZOS can't be bothered to display accurate/correct tooltips. This has been bugged for years. I assume it's a bug and not a tooltip/UI error because it makes little sense that such a medal would give more points than the Rapid Recovery (score a 15k heal) one (which works correctly).

@ZOS_Kevin Is this something that you can bring to the devs? Would be nice to have this bug fixed.

HatchetHaro wrote: »

The disadvantaged side can just wait for the rest of their team to respawn, group up, then make a coordinated push together, all from the spawn platform. It has been a successful strategy for me any time this happens, and can sometimes turn the tide of the battle.

Not really, as jumping down means they cannot use skills/abilities in mid-air. While at the same time they are open to attack during the fall, and the fall's stagger. People no longer wait til their enemies are on the ground before attacking... which is also why you see players in this thread state they want enemies dropped from their spawnplace, because they can't kill them up there. Henceforth me pointing out sportmanship goes both ways. Enemy players should never be near another group's spawnpoint in the first place. Especially if we talk about sportmanship, which this thread touched upon.

It's funny actually... in the old days of MMO's this wasn't even an issue. As players would actually let their enemies re-group, and stayed away from their enemy's spawnpoint even if they could easily go there. Staying away from enemy's spawnpoints was common PvP etiquette for many years.

Sportmanship used to go both ways! But as is evident in this thread, players only seem to only expect it from their opponents.

Agreed that it sometimes doesn't seem random. The best example I have is that whenever I open an event box near the impressario in Auridon, I'll often receive the same style page I got the day before. It happened enough times (during different events) that I noticed it. I've since stopped opening boxes in Auridon.

But yeah, the RNG in this game is brutal and sometimes feels rigged. It's worse than any game I've ever played, and I've been playing computer games for almost as long as you have (40+ years at this point).

A better example would be lead drops. If you don't own a certain zone or expansion, the leads for that zone drop from the sky like raindrops in a thunderstorm. But as soon as you buy it the leads become very hard to get.

nb_rich wrote: »

You would think spammables used up close would provide damage shields/healing and be stronger than ranged attacks but obviously this is not the case.

And I would hate that if it were the case. Let's not give the entire game training wheels.

Fatecarver is more than the cleave and the damage shield, although those are parts of the same theme I am highlighting. It is about ease of play. It is a simple rotation that is survivable and doesn't require an action every second. It was clearly engineered to be exactly that. It's basically designed to be more engaging than holding lmb.

Furthermore, it has to be competitive with traditional spammables in terms of damage or else ZOS would be back to square one. They've obvious intentionally made other play styles competitive with LA weaving while keeping weaving at the top of the pack.

My biggest nightmare in terms of combat design is all skill being removed from ESO by a fatecarverization of the entire game. Let's not go down that path. We have a decent compromise now. Those who don't want to play it don't have to. If your RL makes you play it, find a different RL or become one yourself.

And it wouldn't change anything in terms of class distribution if they did because a meta would still emerge.

Honestly, what the charts show more than anything else is how accessible vKA HM has become as the game gets easier each update -- especially u46. It's not like pragmatic fatecarver is new. vKA, in general, is a total joke now. Just like the Crags trials.

I disagree that the meta is far superior or even that it's necessarily superior.

ESO's raid scene is SO casual that the practical meta is really shaped around ease of play and not peak performance.

I've been part of several end game communities over the years, and all the others were savage in comparison. Personality didn't matter at all in them, only performance. I remember one top clan I was a member of many years ago in which only a couple of members were actually friends. We tolerated each other because we only wanted to win. We called it a win at all costs culture.

ESO's end game is much different and skewed socially, even on the platforms with a reputation for being toxic.

My favorite zens player is Geldis, and he doesn't seem to even use beam on trash when using a runeblades build. He can perform well with whirling blades. Before U46, I recall strong DKs who could out-parse arcs on trash with deep breath and whirling blades while also being very strong single target.

I was shocked one time pre-U46 when a very talented player top-parsed trash in a trial with a Warden using shalks and force pulse !!

I was away from ESO for a while, but I don't recall a time when there wasn't a main DD class that most wanted to play, even though they didn't really need to. It's a mistake to get too caught up in esologs stats because it will never be balanced, but also because they are more balanced than the stats would seem to indicate.

I'll be happy enough with the banner meta going away, should it actually happen.

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Koshka wrote: »

RebornV3x wrote: »

Its telling how bad pvp is in this game when you have 3 bars and players are actively trying to avoid pvp in a zone where pvp happens during a PVP focused event. Sad that PVP is in such a bad state that players don't want to interact with it.

Yeah...
Well, to be fair, the power gap between casuals and sweats is extremely high now. Regular players have no chance of hurting organized groups, even if they outnumber their opponents.
It also doesn't help that organized groups do not seem to fight each other anymore? Idk, I don't really pvp outside of the events anymore, but whenever I saw ball groups of different alliances, they just farmed casuals without attacking each other.
All of that creates an atmosphere that unfortunately makes pvp unappealing not just to casuals, but to most players. You can't really get into pvp anymore, unless your friends are pvpers and are willing to teach you.
This is really sad, I think that ESO had a lot of potential as a pvp mmo.

Koshka is right.

During this event I am a bit more active in PvP and I am seeing it - as always in PvP.

2-3 players nuking 12, 18 or even 24 players over and over again. Those other players trying - even in organized groups - to kill those 2-3 players without success. With such a power gap there is absolutely no fun what so ever for casuals to join PvP. Its more like the fun is 1000% taken out of it !
The same thing with those small ball-groups rushing through keep fights and killing everything in their way, but not being killed even if outnumbered 1 to 5 and spammed with dozen of sieg weapons.
Or those 2-4 players playing the *Resource-Tower-Troll-Game*. Same thing.

As long as there are those huge gaps and no way to compensate them, there won't be many new PvP'ers.

Well, I just want to say something about that.
It's perfectly normal for a veteran PVP player to literally destroy a group of casual players who have absolutely no experience with PvP. Even though huge efforts have been made by the ZOS combat staff; it's still normal for there to be a level gap.

And that's something pretty healthy for an online game, because it can make you want to progress if you consider that it's just experience (and not cheating)

This all is why those kind of people are soooooooo afraid of Vengeance becoming an optional thing and are actively campaigning to avoid it from happening in some form.

Because all the easy meat and people looking for a more balanced environment would move over and those other unkillable one shot people have to fight each other because all other players would have either gone to Vengeance or back to PvE.

Desiato wrote: »

The thing to understand about Arc is that it's a little more than a class because of Fatecarver.

Fatecarver isn't only an ability, it is a distinct play style. IMO, it was engineered to be such, positioned between heavy attack and light attack weaving play styles.

This play style is not going anywhere. It's too popular. And I don't think it's necessary in the era of subclassing.

I'm OK with a DD bias towards Arc. Why? Because the play style is cemented, the only alternative would appear to give every class a homogenized Fatecarver-like play style which I would hate because it would mean sacrificing other parts of the game.

And the thing is, Arc isn't necessary for DDs. There are other strong builds out there. I've seen strong non-Arc builds with Jabs and Surprise attack as the spammable, for example.

Here's a video of an off-meta build that immediately comes to mind:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGDa78_EM0E

Just because MOST players follow the meta doesn't mean they have to. And there ALWAYS be a meta that favors certain classes and abilities. Let's not push ZOS down the path of homogenization again. Diversity is fun for those who enjoy it.

I'm familiar with that build, I based my parse DK's build off of it, and I bring him to as many trials as I can. I don't play on-meta unless requested by my raid lead. The problem is not that there *is* a meta, but that the meta is far superior to other builds in most practical use cases. I do NOT want every class to have fatecarver or some other AOE channeled beam, I want other classes to have access to similarly strong AOE cleave (which *is* possible without a fatecarver-like playstyle). I do NOT care that there is a meta, I care that off-meta builds are so much less viable. I like my arcanist dps, but every dps being forced into either using a beam-based playstyle or taking a HUGE hit to efficacy in most situations is unacceptable to me. If you think making non-fatecarver builds more viable will result in more homogenization, I think we must have very different definitions of that word.