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Re: For a "Once in a lifetime" event - why are the rewards so anemic?
First of all, kudos to OP for their writing style. It must not be easy to keep a consistent pattern through several posts, some of which aren't short.
Yeah, I do agree the rewards aren't anything about which to write home. I don't complain so much about getting piles of Solstice gear because they often mean I get a nice amount of style mats after deconstruction. I do complain about blue coffers often having only Solstice gear. We all know the big scary wall is coming down one way or another, which might explain that mysterious jump in progress to 25% on the PC/NA server, so the motivation to do all those quests is mostly the rewards. One or two haj mota parts, maybe a Stirk Fellowship motif page and rarely a Wormwhatever style page every day aren't very rewarding. I don't feel like I'm a part of history, I feel like I'm devoting more of my time to almighty RNGeesus. Even the questgivers' dialogue appears shallow, as the Nord who asks for crafted gear gets very repetitive by the time I'm done with him.
On the other hand, I'm not sure better rewards would've made this event much better. I can't quite determine the reason, but I can't bring myself to care all that much about bringing down the Writhing Wall. Maybe that's because this involves grinding, maybe that's because we know the percentage doesn't matter, just like the points in "Whose Line is it Anyway?", or maybe that's because of some deeper problem with the game.
Maybe I just miss the old and predictable chapters system.
Yeah, I do agree the rewards aren't anything about which to write home. I don't complain so much about getting piles of Solstice gear because they often mean I get a nice amount of style mats after deconstruction. I do complain about blue coffers often having only Solstice gear. We all know the big scary wall is coming down one way or another, which might explain that mysterious jump in progress to 25% on the PC/NA server, so the motivation to do all those quests is mostly the rewards. One or two haj mota parts, maybe a Stirk Fellowship motif page and rarely a Wormwhatever style page every day aren't very rewarding. I don't feel like I'm a part of history, I feel like I'm devoting more of my time to almighty RNGeesus. Even the questgivers' dialogue appears shallow, as the Nord who asks for crafted gear gets very repetitive by the time I'm done with him.
On the other hand, I'm not sure better rewards would've made this event much better. I can't quite determine the reason, but I can't bring myself to care all that much about bringing down the Writhing Wall. Maybe that's because this involves grinding, maybe that's because we know the percentage doesn't matter, just like the points in "Whose Line is it Anyway?", or maybe that's because of some deeper problem with the game.
Maybe I just miss the old and predictable chapters system.
Re: For a "Once in a lifetime" event - why are the rewards so anemic?
For a "Once in a lifetime" event - why are the rewards so anemic?
Because it's a really long event. We have barely received 3% of the rewards we're going to get.
You may say that it's disappointing that you only get 1 or 2 Haj-Mota scales per day. Until you consider that this event is so long, you might end up with 10-30 unused Haj-Mota scales in your inventory.
The event reward drop rate isn't low. The event is just really long, so rewards are spaced out.
Add to this the cultural problem of the ESO community becoming used to grinding and rushing events to get all the rewards as fast as possible.
these calculations from where?
and the main point: at start such poor rewards means nobody cares about "true ending with huge rewards"
Æthërnüm
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Re: The EU Servers are (near) universally beating NA ones in the Writhing Wall competition
SeaGtGruff wrote: »Putting aside that it might not be scaled fairly, I think it does indicate a higher degree of participation in the console population and EU in general. There's been posts on and off claiming Xbox EU is a dead or dying server and whether or not that's true it seems the remaining players are very dedicated to the game.
If had to theorize, people in 'underdog' servers are more likely to want to win just for the sake of winning.
I had wanted to say something a bit similar about the degree of participation, but I had decided not to because I was afraid it might sound like I was bashing on the PCNA playerbase.
Dragon Rise event: “Wow, we’re all working together to save cats! This is so cool and we’re all working together!”
Writhing Wall event: “Lol our server is so much better than their server because we care about the game and they’re so whiny!”
Gee, I wonder which type of event leads to a friendlier community?
Re: Drunk Personality
TheMajority wrote: »SpiritofESO wrote: »I'm going to be perfectly candid about my opinion of the "Drunk Personality" but I will try to be respectful as well.
This emote shows what appears to be a massively intoxicated staggering drunk. There is no nice way to put this. It's not funny. It's not amusing. In any place, except of course Tamriel, if you were staggeringly intoxicated in public you would be arrested.
I apologize for taking this very seriously but I do recognize that very young people play this game and it sets a terrible example.
My opinion is simply this: drinking is fine; drunkenness is not.
On the other hand, I do use Breda's Bottomless Mead Mug emote, which does not display any drunkenness.
I do not expect ZOS will make any changes to the emote based on my preferences. Apologies to those who differ with me.
Cheers?
this game isn't for young people it's M for Mature 17+ meaning for adults and it's not like young people gonna see that emote and aspire to it lol
also brenda mead mug displays chugging and other behaviors and stuff so it is about drunkness
IMO this game should not be played by children, at least under 15-16 anyways. Agreed it clearly mentions the adult warnings for sexual themes, drug/alcohol use. That being said, I was watching adult movies and playing adult games much younger than that. It is up to the parents to do their thing or not. The whole drinking theme is a part of the Nord culture even, visit almost any Nord town/village and there is drinking npc's wandering around staggering.
Re: Why deadra people still cooperate with worm cult?
LootAllTheStuff wrote: »As for why Molag Bal would continue to send Daedra to aid the Worm Cult: he really doesn't care about collateral damage if it serves his purpose. And Daedra are essentially an inexhaustible resource since they always reform after being 'dead' for a bit - they never truly die.
I don't think Molag Bal cares in any way about his daedra. The question is why he'd send them out to aid a cult of mortals now? This was not the case during the base game main quest.
But the bigger problem for me really is the end of Part 1 of the Solstice story. Just in case:
In the base game main quest Molag Bal learnt about Mannimarco's betrayal and kept him a prisoner to torture him forever. The Vestige might or might not have helped Mannimarco to flee at some point later.
Now, fast forward to Solstice: The cult is alive again and it's huge, its cultists worship Molag Bal. Their new leader still tries to bring Mannimarco back, where ever in Coldharbor his soul might be (still tortured on the altar or roaming around somewhere). Would Molag Bal, or would the Worm Cultists who now worship Molag Bal, approve of this? If Molag Bal gave Mannimarco a second chance - which I don't think sounds probable with the typical mindset of "the strong dominate the weak" and the whole "torturing the ones who failed serving him" thing - why would Wormblood need to conduct a complicated ritual to bring him back?
Okay, now let's assume Wormblood was harboring this plan in secret. So basically another betrayer to Molag Bal. Cheesy story, but fine. But then the whole allyship between the Worm Cult and Molag Bal and his daedra would collapse as soon as Mannimarco is back. Which could have even made an interesting story, like any kind of conflict that could have come up: Mannimarco against Molag Bal (enraged about years of torture), or Wormblood against Mannimarco (not exactly happy about his body getting possessed - they could have made a story about Wormblood's soul ending who knows where and seeking revenge), in any way, some internal conflict that could have made an interesting situation to engage with as the Vestige. Maybe even with a need to side with one individual somehow, to prevents some even worse outcome for the world.
Also, a schism between the Worm Cult and Molag Bal at this point would have been a nice way to transition the situation closer to how the Worm Cult was in TES 2 Daggerfall: No Molag Bal connections, no daedra worship at all, just necromancy and Mannimarco trying to fulfill his personal godhood dreams in a different way. Plus, he became more morally neutral there and was even a questgiver the player character could engage with and support.
Now, fast forward to Solstice: The cult is alive again and it's huge, its cultists worship Molag Bal. Their new leader still tries to bring Mannimarco back, where ever in Coldharbor his soul might be (still tortured on the altar or roaming around somewhere). Would Molag Bal, or would the Worm Cultists who now worship Molag Bal, approve of this? If Molag Bal gave Mannimarco a second chance - which I don't think sounds probable with the typical mindset of "the strong dominate the weak" and the whole "torturing the ones who failed serving him" thing - why would Wormblood need to conduct a complicated ritual to bring him back?
Okay, now let's assume Wormblood was harboring this plan in secret. So basically another betrayer to Molag Bal. Cheesy story, but fine. But then the whole allyship between the Worm Cult and Molag Bal and his daedra would collapse as soon as Mannimarco is back. Which could have even made an interesting story, like any kind of conflict that could have come up: Mannimarco against Molag Bal (enraged about years of torture), or Wormblood against Mannimarco (not exactly happy about his body getting possessed - they could have made a story about Wormblood's soul ending who knows where and seeking revenge), in any way, some internal conflict that could have made an interesting situation to engage with as the Vestige. Maybe even with a need to side with one individual somehow, to prevents some even worse outcome for the world.
Also, a schism between the Worm Cult and Molag Bal at this point would have been a nice way to transition the situation closer to how the Worm Cult was in TES 2 Daggerfall: No Molag Bal connections, no daedra worship at all, just necromancy and Mannimarco trying to fulfill his personal godhood dreams in a different way. Plus, he became more morally neutral there and was even a questgiver the player character could engage with and support.
Syldras
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Re: Writhing Wall Event – Consolidated Messaging Thread
ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »…all mobs have a credit list limit of 12 players. If you're in a heavily populated area, it's entirely possible that credit list cap is being hit and you aren't getting credit, and conversely the related quest item drop, as often as you would in a lower-populated area.
Have you guys thought about what, I hope, is an unintended outcome of this policy? That is, the 12 player cap acts as a chilling effect on popular events and activities. It’s like players get punished for participating. And I thought the whole point was lotsa participation? Besides, running in a Zerg killing bosses is grand, exhilarating fun. Talk about being a bunch of killjoys. Please rethink this.
k_8
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Re: Event…. can we just get a redo?
I'd like to see everyone that participated get something like a collectible banner that could be displayed in all their houses.
[Edited because after reading other replies I agree that top players should not be rewarded more than others.]
[Edited because after reading other replies I agree that top players should not be rewarded more than others.]
SilverBride
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Re: Writhing Wall Event – Consolidated Messaging Thread
ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »…all mobs have a credit list limit of 12 players. If you're in a heavily populated area, it's entirely possible that credit list cap is being hit and you aren't getting credit, and conversely the related quest item drop, as often as you would in a lower-populated area.
Have you guys thought about what, I hope, is an unintended outcome of this policy? That is, the 12 player cap acts as a chilling effect on popular events and activities. It’s like players get punished for participating. And I thought the whole point was lotsa participation? Besides, running in a Zerg killing bosses is grand, exhilarating fun. Talk about being a bunch of killjoys. Please rethink this.
I agree. It seems counter-intuitive for a massively multiplayer online game to actively discourage having more than 12 people in the same area at the same time. IMO in PvE meeting another player doing the same thing you are should always be a positive, but in ESO it's so often not. They're not a potential ally but competition and if I want to actually get anything done I need to avoid them, which is absolutely the opposite of how I'd like it to be.
I realise it would probably need several things to be redesigned to enable bosses to scale up to the number of players fighting them, but that would be a vast improvement because right now if a 13th player shows up to fight them they don't count who is already waiting and leave, they join in (as they should be free to do) and it guarantees someone will miss out.
Danikat
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Re: PVP Deserves More Respect
I mainly play the game for PvP.
To be honest, I dont care at all about rewards and points and ranks, its simply the fun of battle that motivates me.
To be honest, I dont care at all about rewards and points and ranks, its simply the fun of battle that motivates me.
Arboz
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Re: Are You Enjoying Phase 1 of the Writhing Wall Event?
Khajiit has enjoyed the encounters, and the tough bosses in base game delves have been a real treat and should stay around.
But the loots? The rewards? Khajiit is embarrassed, terribly, terribly embarrassed, about these - 1 piece of overland gear for killing dozens of Molag-Bal's top lieutenants and foiling Manny's plans is insulting frankly insulting. Is like kindergarten art at Louvre museum.
Khajiit feels very strongly about this. If this is supposed to be such an important event, such a world-changing, once-in-a-lifetime experience, then why are we not being blown away by the loots? Remember the nested Matroyshka doll-loot rewards we had for Blackwood event that had gold companion ring in it? That was just for a run-of-the-mill chapter release, and those loots were extravagantly more sleek than anything we get now.
Is just lazy on their part. Seriously lazy. They could have made things really fun and exciting to collect - put real effort into the "once-in-a-lifetime" event, instead of just another event-of-the-month minimal effort that is evidenced.
Instead of one pet's pieces in loot, have multiple pets and/or mounts that are all just reskins of existing pets, where each has some number of pieces to retrieve to complete them.
Instead of just a few new furnishing plans, how about many plans of all racial and regional styles that are just reskins of existing plans with some Stirk-related or Wormy-related art/badge included in the texture?
Instead of fewer resources than are required to actually perform the quest, how about substantially more resources - 100 of each! - along with style and rare trait mats?
Why not have every existing loot table in the game opened up for possible rewards in the boxes? Wouldn't it be an exciting treat to not know what one is going to get, but to actually be excited for it? Instead of now, where the loots "are like a box of ..... cheap, nasty, fruit-centered, year-old chocolates - you never know what your gonna get, and you don't care either".
Why so stingy? Why not 1 of each of mats, collectibles, plans, some gear, etc. in every box? -talks over all the pearl-clutching-
This is supposed to be a once-in-a-lifetime event, never to be duplicated (by definition). So why was this not truly blown out?
But the loots? The rewards? Khajiit is embarrassed, terribly, terribly embarrassed, about these - 1 piece of overland gear for killing dozens of Molag-Bal's top lieutenants and foiling Manny's plans is insulting frankly insulting. Is like kindergarten art at Louvre museum.
Khajiit feels very strongly about this. If this is supposed to be such an important event, such a world-changing, once-in-a-lifetime experience, then why are we not being blown away by the loots? Remember the nested Matroyshka doll-loot rewards we had for Blackwood event that had gold companion ring in it? That was just for a run-of-the-mill chapter release, and those loots were extravagantly more sleek than anything we get now.
Is just lazy on their part. Seriously lazy. They could have made things really fun and exciting to collect - put real effort into the "once-in-a-lifetime" event, instead of just another event-of-the-month minimal effort that is evidenced.
Instead of one pet's pieces in loot, have multiple pets and/or mounts that are all just reskins of existing pets, where each has some number of pieces to retrieve to complete them.
Instead of just a few new furnishing plans, how about many plans of all racial and regional styles that are just reskins of existing plans with some Stirk-related or Wormy-related art/badge included in the texture?
Instead of fewer resources than are required to actually perform the quest, how about substantially more resources - 100 of each! - along with style and rare trait mats?
Why not have every existing loot table in the game opened up for possible rewards in the boxes? Wouldn't it be an exciting treat to not know what one is going to get, but to actually be excited for it? Instead of now, where the loots "are like a box of ..... cheap, nasty, fruit-centered, year-old chocolates - you never know what your gonna get, and you don't care either".
Why so stingy? Why not 1 of each of mats, collectibles, plans, some gear, etc. in every box? -talks over all the pearl-clutching-
This is supposed to be a once-in-a-lifetime event, never to be duplicated (by definition). So why was this not truly blown out?
