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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
First off, thank you ZOS so much for improving the werewolf experience! I have been petitioning for this since 1 year after launch. I have to pinch myself that its happening haha. So, thank you!
I recently installed the PTS and immediately checked out the new werewolf features! WOW incredible so far. The audio and visuals alone make it 10x better for me. After soloing three hard dungeons and traveling endlessly on all fours all across Tamerial with NO WEREWOLF TIMER (THANK YOU SO MUCH), i have a couple thoughts.
Visuals: Berserker - I love everything about this model besides the red scars on the arms. little too blood makica feeling and not enough berserker werewolf for me. The height is wonderful! fur texture, wonderful! Eyes, wonderful! (I haven't played pack leader so i won't comment)
Animations: Running - i LOVVE the running animation. A few years back i made a ESO forums post called "Werewolf and Vampire travel Forms". The basic idea of that post was to allow us more RP for werewolf and vampires. removing the werewolf timer out of combat and creating a whole new running animation FITS THE BILL for me. I'm thrilled with that. Running on all fours is ESSENTIAL for me. It wouldn't feel like a werewolf if it didn't sprint on all fours. Details matter, thank you for getting that right.
FEW COMBAT ANIMATION BUGS - I noticed with the "feral Pounce" ability that one of the morphs has no audio and looks a bit clunky. Love the cone idea though. The channeled claw attack morph looks like the werewolves' shoulders are dislocated when striking over and over to me. AMAZING combat skill but i think the animation needs a bit of tuning if at all possible.
The bite skill is by far my favorite! the audio, the feeling of tearing out a chunk of flesh is really there with this skill. 10/10.
Werewolf Sprint Speeds - As I mentioned, running on all fours is ESSENTIAL as a werewolf. you have nailed the animation and audio! I think since we are finally able to traverse the world as a werewolf unencumbered by a timer, maybe increase werewolf sprint speeds to match a mount speed OUT OF COMBAT. Maybe The speed of your werewolf is determined by your actual current mount speed. This would sure allow players to fully immerse and feel like were running at true werewolf speeds.
Audio - MY GOSH the audio. Amazing! the feeding audio is the least impressive to me, but it makes up for it after the wolf is done feeding. He shakes his head and lets out a true beastly grunt. SO satisfying.
One of the werewolves kill cams (savage...something? I can't remember the name) is just a big howl at your target that kills them. I think this might need some work. At the least pick a different audio for the howl. Something more savage. great Idea with those kill cams though. I'm LOVING Them.
Combat - I honestly am Very satisfied with the state of the werewolf combat. plenty of sustain, Heals, bleeds and abilities like the channeled claw attack to utilize other armor sets like deadly ECT. This is the one Area I don't have any notes on. YOU GUYS KILLED IT.
conclusion - As you can probably tell I'm very passionate about werewolves but also about ESO. I have been playing since launch. From the bottom of my heart, THANK YOU! all these changes, refreshes, updates! making the necessary changes to modernize and make ESO relevant to VET and New players. I can tell who ever worked on this werewolf refresh, that they are just as passionate as I am about Werewolves in ESO. Thank you for taking the time to ask your community for feedback and ACTUALLY take it into account. What a TIME to be ALIVE as a werewolf fan. THANK YOU!
I recently installed the PTS and immediately checked out the new werewolf features! WOW incredible so far. The audio and visuals alone make it 10x better for me. After soloing three hard dungeons and traveling endlessly on all fours all across Tamerial with NO WEREWOLF TIMER (THANK YOU SO MUCH), i have a couple thoughts.
Visuals: Berserker - I love everything about this model besides the red scars on the arms. little too blood makica feeling and not enough berserker werewolf for me. The height is wonderful! fur texture, wonderful! Eyes, wonderful! (I haven't played pack leader so i won't comment)
Animations: Running - i LOVVE the running animation. A few years back i made a ESO forums post called "Werewolf and Vampire travel Forms". The basic idea of that post was to allow us more RP for werewolf and vampires. removing the werewolf timer out of combat and creating a whole new running animation FITS THE BILL for me. I'm thrilled with that. Running on all fours is ESSENTIAL for me. It wouldn't feel like a werewolf if it didn't sprint on all fours. Details matter, thank you for getting that right.
FEW COMBAT ANIMATION BUGS - I noticed with the "feral Pounce" ability that one of the morphs has no audio and looks a bit clunky. Love the cone idea though. The channeled claw attack morph looks like the werewolves' shoulders are dislocated when striking over and over to me. AMAZING combat skill but i think the animation needs a bit of tuning if at all possible.
The bite skill is by far my favorite! the audio, the feeling of tearing out a chunk of flesh is really there with this skill. 10/10.
Werewolf Sprint Speeds - As I mentioned, running on all fours is ESSENTIAL as a werewolf. you have nailed the animation and audio! I think since we are finally able to traverse the world as a werewolf unencumbered by a timer, maybe increase werewolf sprint speeds to match a mount speed OUT OF COMBAT. Maybe The speed of your werewolf is determined by your actual current mount speed. This would sure allow players to fully immerse and feel like were running at true werewolf speeds.
Audio - MY GOSH the audio. Amazing! the feeding audio is the least impressive to me, but it makes up for it after the wolf is done feeding. He shakes his head and lets out a true beastly grunt. SO satisfying.
One of the werewolves kill cams (savage...something? I can't remember the name) is just a big howl at your target that kills them. I think this might need some work. At the least pick a different audio for the howl. Something more savage. great Idea with those kill cams though. I'm LOVING Them.
Combat - I honestly am Very satisfied with the state of the werewolf combat. plenty of sustain, Heals, bleeds and abilities like the channeled claw attack to utilize other armor sets like deadly ECT. This is the one Area I don't have any notes on. YOU GUYS KILLED IT.
conclusion - As you can probably tell I'm very passionate about werewolves but also about ESO. I have been playing since launch. From the bottom of my heart, THANK YOU! all these changes, refreshes, updates! making the necessary changes to modernize and make ESO relevant to VET and New players. I can tell who ever worked on this werewolf refresh, that they are just as passionate as I am about Werewolves in ESO. Thank you for taking the time to ask your community for feedback and ACTUALLY take it into account. What a TIME to be ALIVE as a werewolf fan. THANK YOU!
Re: April 20th Vengeance Only..
ToddIngram wrote: »Less than 1 in 5 PvP mains will play vengeance. If you take a poll of PvP mains you'll see this is the case.
Correction: "Less than 1 in 5 PvP forum mains will play vengeance. ". If you sample from forum PvPers, you will get the responses of only forum PvPers, which as should be obvious by now, are not even vaguely representative of the actual PvP or PvE populations. This not only doesn't prove what you want it to prove, but also validates the disconnect further.
ToddIngram wrote: »And we all saw the last "test" when people had a choice between GH and vengeance, GH was pop locked while vengeance had one bar or less.
It's truly wondrous that Vengeance was so terrible it managed to break ESO's rendering, upload the new icon to Zenimax servers, and drop to 0 bars! Or perhaps it was -1 bars?
ToddIngram wrote: »the fact is when people have a choice, vengeance is deserted while GH is pop locked
You would have had a point here if ZOS hadn't spent the last years silently collapsing the population limit as the PvP population dwindled. A third of a jug still holds more water than a full shot glass. Besides, who has the "choice"? Casual gamers have a practically infinite range of activities to do, and Vengeance is only one of them. They can't be faulted for not living in the new game mode simply for it having the virtue of not being an insufferable AP grinder of ballgroups and bombers.
ToddIngram wrote: »this is why ZOS is removing GH as an option this time around in an effort to artificially inflate participation numbers
And yet if PvPers server-wide dislike Vengeance as much as you claim, then they would not go to Vengeance anyway, as you don't, and retire for a week. And if the PvErs dislike or at best tolerate Vengeance, why would deleting GH (which they hate even more) suddenly encourage them to go Vengeance? Those are independent events from a PvEr's perspective. So by your logic, it should be deserted. Then can you explain to me why I was sitting in population queues in the hundreds the last time I queued?
Or of course, if the conclusion is wrong, perhaps we need to look at the assumptions behind it.
ToddIngram wrote: »No amount of hyping by the vocal minority will change that.
Pot, meet kettle.
Re: Lack of communication regarding Eidetic Memory Books bugs
Hey all! We are actively looking at the places where these issues have been reported, and are hitting the fixes as time allows. You'll see the first round in our U50 PTS patch notes.
We are also considering a systemic solve to make it easier for players to access these post-quest, but that tool hasn't been built yet. I would strongly, strongly recommend that when you encounter these issues in-game that you use /bug. This gives us better info on how to track them down/resolve.
First off, thank you for this reply and the work you've done already for this. I greatly appreciate it. I have a thing to point out and a followup question if that's alright.
For the question, will we see more fixes in u50's later weeks or will future fixes be in u51? While a lot of books got fixed for a lot of people, none of my missing books were in this first round unfortunately.
For the heads up for you and your team: there are a few books that have never had a proper sourcing at all. Letter from Aradros and Letter from the Stirk Fellowship have never been found by any of us in game despite years of looking for the former and people looking for the latter since Solstice dropped. Worm Cult Correspondence similarly was only available for people who did not buy the Season of the Worm Cult Pass during their version of the Writhing Wall side quest and anyone who owned the pass had no chance of obtaining it. These three books have been an annoying edge case because they have all been bugged since their release into the game with little to no hope of collecting them.
Thanks again to you and your team for this. We've waited a very long time for this and it makes me very hopeful I can see my 100% lorebook complete for the first time in years.
Emeratis
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Re: Update on the Snowbear Mount Currently on the Crown Store
calitrumanb14_ESO wrote: »I know it's not the first time this sort of this has happened, but I paid 4K Crowns for the Kagouti, and now it's available for a pittance in gold. Not cool.
Things change.
It's no different than pple spending crowns or real money to buy DLC only to have it given away for free later. It's never cool but it happens.
Re: April 20th Vengeance Only..
Imagine the uproar from the PvE community if the ability to create writs was disabled for a week or guild traders were suspended. There are people who play this game solely for GH and they can’t play the game.
I’m not a fan of Vengeance, I find the gameplay stale and boring but I’ve already accepted that it’s coming to the game. Play whichever mode you want. I couldn’t care less.
But constantly closing down a gamemode purposely to shoehorn people into testing a new gamemode isn’t fair. I refuse to beta test something that’s 11 years old.
I’m not a fan of Vengeance, I find the gameplay stale and boring but I’ve already accepted that it’s coming to the game. Play whichever mode you want. I couldn’t care less.
But constantly closing down a gamemode purposely to shoehorn people into testing a new gamemode isn’t fair. I refuse to beta test something that’s 11 years old.
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Re: Duo-Dynamo Dungeon Delver Spider
Under gameplay in the settings menu. You can switch on or off any of the 3 in any combo.
Re: April 20th Vengeance Only..
Is this the last test before we can move from Greyhost permanently? I sure hope so.
Re: April 20th Vengeance Only..
ToddIngram wrote: »Maximus_Mordred wrote: »Hi ZOS,
Stop doing this, the majority of your PvP base does not want this washed game mode. We don’t want to contribute anything to your “testing” because we are against it. Frankly, it’s a waste of time. With all the good that’s being done recently in the studio this is the remaining outlier of a team clinging to one last bad decision. It feels like we’re just being reminded to stay skeptical of the PvP dev team’s vacuum decision making philosophy.
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Can we test PvE Vengeance on April 20th too?
Speak for yourself, after the endless years of nonstop ballgroups and bombers destroying PvP for all but the biggest sweatlords I am so looking forward to this.
Seeing the angry little forum bubble throwing a tantrum when they can't get carried by their sets to crush PvErs and clueless zergs to give themselves a fragile sense of power and superiority over others is never not music to my ears. The fact is that they have never, at any point represented the majority of PvPers. If ZOS did literally the exact polar opposite of what the chronically online "PvP" population here demanded then Cyrodiil today would be a much better place.
Not many times I support ZOS' stance on PvP but got to say, this is one of them.
As one of those PvP players who "throws a tantrum when I can't get carried by my sets to crush PvErs and clueless zergs to give myself a fragile sense of power and superiority over others" I will be taking vengeance week off. You see, I'm not a fan of the toxic PvE community that continuously make statements like the one from you I've quoted.
I've put in the time to be good at live Cyrodiil PvP. I'm not going to help ZOS throw all my years of time and effort into the trash bin.
LOL, I've been pvping in cyro since 2015 and am grand overlord. But nice try at reading the situation anyway. Enjoy your time off.
Re: April 20th Vengeance Only..
BardokRedSnow wrote: »l
They offered double ap for vengeance only alongside greyhost and people still flocked to greyhost... No amount of meaningless titles or the like would get people to move over, and offering rewards like cosmetics and developing the campaign people right now dont wanna play would only ostracize and push more returning players out yet again.
Trying to force customers to like something vs improving upon what they already like is the worst business strategy possible.
What forum goers don't understand overall, because these players don't typically go to the forums, is that most pvpers come from other games like WoW where the actual gameplay and combat is more important to them than anything else. The game mode that gives them the most build diversity and complexity will always win out over what is simple and available to everyone to access out the jump.
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And a bigger point on that is, if the social aspect was the most important thing, more pvpers would be doing PVE, as PvE is a far bigger social pool than PVP ever could be.
1. So according to you, AP and rewards are not the main motivator for the majority of pvp players. I agree. People who hate pvp will never be enticed no matter how much cosmetics and dyes and AP are offered.
2. ZOS is not forcing customers into Vengeance. They offer incentives to play vengeance. When they're tired of supporting a service, they can disconnect it. Just like how no one forces you to use any kind of software if a dev gets tired of maintaining it. As a customer, you can play or not play. Pretty simple.
3. "Most PvPers come from other games like WoW where actual gameplay and combat is more important than anything else"? Very bold statement. I highly doubt this is the case, but okay. Gameplay and combat mechanics are different from build diversity/gear complexity.
4. "If the social aspect was the most important thing, more PvPers would be doing PvE." These don't logically connect.
Let's just take a look at the minute-to-minute gameplay of Greyhost:
"This. Logged in last night during prime time, 60+ queue, 3 bars across all alliances and the map was so *** dead. No one doing a single thing. Maybe a resource flagged here and there but it felt like people would log in and just go afk on purpose. I stuck around for a hour and dipped, lol"
"When I logged on to PCNA in grayhost on AD, I’d just sit there and talk to people in zone chat. No reason to actually try anything when a Zerg attempts to take a keep and you and 3 other people show up to try to defend."
https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/s/Tl5LHIkd1h
Greyhost is failing to provide meaningful combat for the average player. So why do people still queue in? Socializing and afking is what the majority of players do in Greyhost. This is not a bad thing. Human beings are social creatures, you can't force them to unsocialize in a multiplayer game, and realistically speaking, people need breaks and cannot be battling 24/7. It makes more sense for ZOS to lean into the socialization aspect and make grouping and coordination easier and more meaningful, and implement underdog bonuses to address population imbalances and entice participation. They cannot reach a critical population in Greyhost anymore, so they have to switch to Vengeance.
This dissertation would have set you back to Freshman year.
The entire point of Vengeance was supposedly performance driven, and yes on April 20th we are forced into Vengeance. Many of us only play ESO for the PvP.
The basis of Vengeance doesn’t even offer the current state of ESO, you can gripe about ballgroups or certain sets all you want, whatever, but to pretend Vengeance is a healthy option for ESO PvP is a lie. You can’t play any new system put out in Vengeance, WW mains be damned. It’s like a demo of the game but worse. It’s not a fair or realistic replacement for a system that has been enjoyed for a decade despite a dev team doing anything and everything to make it worse and not better.
It's like going to a nice steak house to order a kids menu.
Re: April 20th Vengeance Only..
Will there ever be a point in time when the vengeance crowd doesn’t scream about toxicity while spreading toxicity?
The request is simple, stop closing GH for Vengeance “tests”. There are many many people who do not wish to be a lab rat anymore.
The request is simple, stop closing GH for Vengeance “tests”. There are many many people who do not wish to be a lab rat anymore.
SneaK
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