Asking random folks to do hm Bal Sunnar, a dungeon I really like was already a stretch. I've tanked it a few times and dps'd it so I won't pretend to know what a healer goes through but damn. I'm an officer in a guild and I'll repeat my recommendation I've given countless times. Never go random if you wanna do hard content. Set up a guild run. That's what we're here for. Refusing to go forward without hm to randoms is also a little wild. No wonder you got kicked. But as they say play stupid games win stupid prizes.

Just noticed that when in Imperial City Sewers, to buy the Fragment of the Vampire from the merchant, you need to own the Season of the Worm Cult to purchase this. WHY? If it was for a new style fragment that normally has to be collected from Solstice I could understand this, but this lead drops from Kyne's Aegis trial in Western Skyrim. An area I have access to. I am generally a solo player, (so no real chance of trials), so this should be my chance to have got this lead. But it seems if you haven't upgraded you are out of luck.

As an aside, how about the screen reminding you to "Enter code" or "upgrade" to the SotWC, that I have to skip past each time I play, be removed? Its already mentioned on the character select screen, the wayshrine on Solstice is greyed out and mentions upgrading if you hover over it, as well as it being on the first log in screen (along with crowns that appear to have on sale for a while now. I wonder why that is!). I know I can upgrade, but for the 1st time since I purchased ESO, I don't want to upgrade, and I am seriously considering stopping my eso+ subscription. So please stop reminding me to do so (and now trying to force for items you shouldn't need it for).

Buff pure class or remove subclass.

Cooperharley wrote: »

Can we please, as a community, for the love of God, stop asking to remove subclassing. It. Is. Not. Going. To. Happen. Very frustrating to see these posts because there is no world where they ever do this. Give constructive criticism and directed feedback on how to make newly implemented systems better... so unhelpful.

People did that. They didn't listen. So while you feel it is "unhelpful", others clearly do not agree.

KekwLord3000 wrote: »

ragnarok6644b14_ESO wrote: »

People act like nerfs will make content unclearable or something, damn. A build isn't gutted if it's dps is cut by 5%, or even 10%. Or even 20%, if it's going from 200k to 160k.

Tell me you don't play pve without telling me you don't play pve.
With the ult gen cut, the damage cut from previous patch we gonna get back to 130-140k in group comps.
Will it make content unclearable? no Will it make groups that progged stuff set back months in their progs? 100% all the ults will be out of order ult gen on supports in the toilet, support sets in the toilets, dd's doing less in general.
But yeah dd's will do 160 instead of 200k lol what? also 160 out of 200 is a a 20% nerf wtf? 5-10% nerf is fine 20% nerf is wild (even tho the numbers you stated are unrealistic, I'm just using your example to show how extreme the nerfs are)

I can't remember the last time I was excited for patch notes.

I have learned that the the very best possible outcome is 'neutral', and the most common one 'well it wasn't as bad as it could have been'.

I don't really know who the changes are made for, but I can confidently say 'not for me or anyone I play with'.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

The CP tree does not fundamentally alter gameplay in the manner that subclassing does. Subclassing isn't like different sets or CP becoming meta. Those are passive bonuses. It isn't even like the jabs change, which I also didn't like, because that was a single skill that had significant but ultimately minor adjustments in the grand scheme of things. The rhythm is different but ultimately you're still taking a spear and jabbing enemies multiple times for AOE damage (and possibly healing). This change drastically alters the core gameplay loop for every class that engages in it. I don't think there's any change to the game as drastic as this one, personally.

I think the devs should balance for and expect that some people would want to keep the core gameplay loops that they have enjoyed for the past 10 years.

Interesting point you bring up about CP. Remember how it was redone so high level players wouldn’t be so much more powerful than low level ones? Horizontal progression instead of vertical progression? The only way you can argue subclassing is not more impactful is to assume that everyone will want to subclass, and purposely pick the right skills to subclass.

If what I have been reading here on the forums is correct, the dps increase from subclassing is significantly more than anything that has been quickly nerfed before in terms of individual skills in certain classes.

That actually was the devs assumption, iirc. Didn't some streamer point out that ZOS thought everyone would to use it? Or was that just a rumor?

I know I was talking to some of my StreamTeam friends who tested an early build, and even then their feedback was "it's fun, but it feels like pure class builds are severely underpowered" and they said the devs didn't seem to consider that people would want to stick with pure classes when they were given the ability to subclass. I don't have anything for that beyond anecdotes, but it definitely feels that way.

But in terms of the DPS increase, that always was going to be "your DPS goes up astronomically as long as you pick these specific lines." If you were going to pick lines because of what matched your RP, then there was no guarantee that your DPS would go up (and in fact it was more likely that it'd go down because of individual line nerfs without getting a second line to make up for the loss). I do remember a lot of people who are really pro-Subclassing before U46 dropped were assuming that they'd get a lot more DPS just by existing, and then they found after the patch that that wasn't the case.

I also think that everyone has different people they hang with, so everyone's version of "well I talked to all of my friends and they all agree with me" are all different. From what I see, there are a few different schools of thought on Subclassing in general:

• What are your feelings on the ability of players to Subclass (i.e. do you think it's a good thing for players to pick and choose skills, or is Class Identity important)?
• Do you choose to Subclass your characters (i.e. do you prefer to play a new build or like what you have)?
• Do you feel you're forced to Subclass (i.e. do you feel social or other pressure to build in a way you don't want to because of Subclassing)?
• What are your feelings regarding the balance of Subclassed lines (i.e. is it appropriate that 3x DPS lines do more damage than a pureclass line, or do combinations of Class lines have the proper cost/benefit)?
• Is the power creep provided by Subclassing appropriate (i.e. is it a good thing that the damage ceiling has gone up, or are nerfs called for at the top or are buffs called for at the bottom)?

Most people stick with their friend groups, so we can all say that everyone agrees with our position, but that doesn't mean that it's "the most popular" position at all.

I also know that it changes based on the content people do. In my experience, many endgamers who do high-level trials are all in favor of stacking power via Subclassing and the thought that goes into building for them is mostly "what gives me the best results?" I also have a lot of friends who are at the 'standard Vet' level, but they play more with the "I like the way my character is and I don't feel the need to Subclass them" - the problem there is that they're the ones eating nerf after nerf since they're not Subclassing to counter those nerfs. Then of course you have the people at the lower end who Subclass because they like to pick their themed build with no consideration of high-level content whatsoever.

And of course, there are people who don't fit neatly into any of those categories. I'm one of them - I hate Subclassing with a passion. I built all of my characters around their respective Class, and I don't want to have to change who my character is because someone forces me to. However, I do also do high-level content, so I'm in a state where I have to Subclass to keep up with the group. It really removed a lot of the fun from the game since I can't play what I want anymore. I got every 4-man trifecta and the first 5 trial trifectas on my main before Subclassing was a thing, and I hate that now it's like "wait, you're not taking these exact three lines? You can't play with us!" and the only place I can play the way I want is doing normals or maybe vets with friends... assuming they can handle the DPS loss they also picked up due to the individual line nerfs.
My choices are "don't play the way you want" or "don't play the content you want" now, and it sucks.

It would be nice if this was balanced in such a way where people who chose to Subclass and those who didn't weren't miles apart from each other. It would also be great if people had to make choices for their build - you shouldn't be able to stack 3x DPS lines without ending up as a super glass cannon with negative resistances, while building as a well rounded character should be well rounded all over.

Katahdin wrote: »

I hate the limitations put on it by only allowing 4 things to be active per category rather than how it used to be with more of it being additive as you level up. I get why they changed it and why it had to change but wish we could have had more slots per category allowed

Yea, to go along with that, absolutely nothing in the green tree should be required to be slotted. Those should all be passives and bonuses to leveling.

I hate the limitations put on it by only allowing 4 things to be active per category rather than how it used to be with more of it being additive as you level up. I get why they changed it and why it had to change but wish we could have had more slots per category allowed

Sorry if this wasnt what you were specifically thinking when you made the post but it is the most annoying thing about the system as is for me