xencthlu wrote: »

This is horrible. It looks on the face of it plain bigoted bullying. It might not be relevant, but I've noticed that CS seems to have difficulties with LGBTQ+ issues overall. I reported someone in zone chat for calling a Pacrooti's Hirelings recruiter mentally ill for being gay, and I was told by CS this didn't violate any policies. It gave me pause at the time, but I left it alone. Now, with this, I wonder if there's a larger cultural problem in the CS department.

That's actually very concerning.

exiars10, that's very interesting, thank you.

Could I ask for some more details?

Your guild-leaders would have received a support ticket giving details about why the name was considered inappropriate. What reason was given there?

What, exactly, were the names of the guilds that were changed? I've spent considerable time in the last few months tracking guild trader slots, so I'm sure to know of them.

For the change to be put into effect, a report would have had to have been made. Which means that someone is making these reports.

You're right, I can't know for sure what the motivations are in each case. I've offered the evidence I have available to me and drawn conclusions from that.

Whether those conclusions are correct or not, the fact remains that there is a problem here.

I am, right now, looking at my data exports for sales from my guild for this week. I can't reconcile them due to the forced change. It's incredibly disruptive. It's also lost us members. And there is a general sense of alarm within the guild membership.

The most recent forced name-change is clearly inappropriate, given that just over a day before ZoS had confirmed that our name is completely fine.

I believe we need a new procedure that, with the exception of cases that involve clear harm, offense, or illegality, name-changes are NOT enforced WITHOUT prior consultation with a guild-leader.

Nope, Finendrin must stay in the stocks, because the voice-over in Rawlkha ('this one sentences him to the stocks until he shows proper repentance...') is one of my comfort things in the game and it'd be sad not to hear it again.

whitecrow wrote: »

I'm struggling to see what being "LGBTQ" has to do with any of this. Situation is odd but could have happened to any guild.

People sometimes go out of their way to troll/complain about guilds that advertise as being LGBTQ friendly or focused. I've been in a few, they often get people in zone chat who get upset and sensitive about the idea of an LGBTQ guild and try to start drama or arguments.

I think that's the only connection, so otherwise support should treat it like any report. There has been a restriction for character names that they can't be too like pre-existing primary NPC names, but I'm not sure if that applies to guilds. But that could be why a staffmember would move forward with the report, even if it was a sort of trolling report (which is impossible to prove).

It doesn't sound like support treated the guild unfairly or has to fix anything as far as LGBTQ guilds, just that there might be extra reports for those guilds and people might get savvy about fake reasons to report name changes.

It would be good generally if they gave people a few days to change their guild/character name, unless it was particularly offensive enough to be changed immediately.

I suggest, Its_MySniff, that you try to follow the arguments that are actually made.

I don't believe nor did I argue that our guild was "mass" reported. I assume it is one or two bad actors at work.

You failed to explain in what way any of this constitutes a "witch hunt" -- who, exactly are the "witches" being "hunted"? If that is not toxic political language, what exactly is it?

If you are suggesting that I have said that players have reported our guild and that I have no proof that this has happened, I would suggest you return to the first post and read more carefully: ZoS said during the course of the correspondence via the support-ticket system that they were responding to a report of an "inappropriate guild name".

I've offered the evidence-base for my conclusions. You are free to draw different conclusions, but that requires you to actually look at the evidence.

I can and will do dungeons in groups, but I'd really like the option to play the dungeon quests the way I typically play other quests - taking my time to explore every nook and cranny, read all the notes, click through all the dialogue options etc. and I don't want to hold up a group by doing that. I'm dyslexic so I read slowly, meaning even when I'm in a group with other people who are paying attention to the quest I'm likely to be the last one who is ready to move on at each step and I know that would get annoying for everyone else.

I can solo some dungeons on some characters, but I'd like to be able to play the quests properly on all my characters.

Vraedlich wrote: »

Have these guilds used chat or discord to attempt to mass report players for homophobia or anything? Some kind of homophobic or revenge attack is literally the only way the guild being LGBTQ could have anything to do with this.
Or.... some in-group drama.

Because Pacrooti's Hirelings is definitely a violation, and the Catzputin name contains the word Putin which runs the risk of being mistaken for controversially political/also potentially violating terms.

Let's not jump to wild conclusions of "bigots" being responsible for your name change when you have presumably read the terms and conditions and ought to be aware of the violation. They are strict with names, always have been.

Sometimes it's a couple of days, sometimes it's ten years but player and guild names get changed all the time.

It is ridiculous to ask for protection against your own violation of terms.

Scroll up two comments from yours.

It's unacceptable to leave Redguard in this state for so long.

WTB sub-racing / race mundus / whatever. We've seen enough powerful Redguard Mages and Breton Knights and so on in the stories by now that it doesn't just go against the "play how you want" philosophy, but contradicts the game's own lore. Aren't the Bosmer also known for their talents as druids? Argonians for their prowess as rogues? If passives are supposed to reflect culture, why would my Valenwood Wood Orc have Wrothgar passives? Free our stats!

And: Over 120fps before 25 June; and now? 70sth erratically dropping to 4 (!!) and to 20sth back to 70sth, 15 etc. Nothing my end has changed. What gives?