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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
MaverickWerewolf wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Why do you need the markings anyway? why do others need to know what Morph your using? you don't have any indication of what skills lines subclasses players are using.
I wondered this myself. Why is it necessary for PvP to ruin the visual look of the werewolves with big glowing marks, when no other build has dead giveaways like that?
If I'm a werewolf hunting in the woods, it's going to be pretty hard to hunt and stalk my prey if I'm a glowstick. Kind of ruins a lot of RP.
If nothing else, why not just leave the marks enabled when PvP is enabled but turn them off otherwise?
I agree wholeheartedly. And every other class/build, well you'll find out after you engage, and the same can be said for werewolves. Do they have the 2 direwolf companions, or not?
Legit no reason to have these neon markings at all, it's just cartoony looking. And even if you must have them in, Battlespirit exists as a 'is PVP enabled?' coding and PvE could be free of this at least.
coop500
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Re: April 20th Vengeance Only..
BardokRedSnow wrote: »l
They offered double ap for vengeance only alongside greyhost and people still flocked to greyhost... No amount of meaningless titles or the like would get people to move over, and offering rewards like cosmetics and developing the campaign people right now dont wanna play would only ostracize and push more returning players out yet again.
Trying to force customers to like something vs improving upon what they already like is the worst business strategy possible.
What forum goers don't understand overall, because these players don't typically go to the forums, is that most pvpers come from other games like WoW where the actual gameplay and combat is more important to them than anything else. The game mode that gives them the most build diversity and complexity will always win out over what is simple and available to everyone to access out the jump.
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And a bigger point on that is, if the social aspect was the most important thing, more pvpers would be doing PVE, as PvE is a far bigger social pool than PVP ever could be.
1. So according to you, AP and rewards are not the main motivator for the majority of pvp players. I agree. People who hate pvp will never be enticed no matter how much cosmetics and dyes and AP are offered.
2. ZOS is not forcing customers into Vengeance. They offer incentives to play vengeance. When they're tired of supporting a service, they can disconnect it. Just like how no one forces you to use any kind of software if a dev gets tired of maintaining it. As a customer, you can play or not play. Pretty simple.
3. "Most PvPers come from other games like WoW where actual gameplay and combat is more important than anything else"? Very bold statement. I highly doubt this is the case, but okay. Gameplay and combat mechanics are different from build diversity/gear complexity.
4. "If the social aspect was the most important thing, more PvPers would be doing PvE." These don't logically connect.
Let's just take a look at the minute-to-minute gameplay of Greyhost:
"This. Logged in last night during prime time, 60+ queue, 3 bars across all alliances and the map was so *** dead. No one doing a single thing. Maybe a resource flagged here and there but it felt like people would log in and just go afk on purpose. I stuck around for a hour and dipped, lol"
"When I logged on to PCNA in grayhost on AD, I’d just sit there and talk to people in zone chat. No reason to actually try anything when a Zerg attempts to take a keep and you and 3 other people show up to try to defend."
https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/s/Tl5LHIkd1h
Greyhost is failing to provide meaningful combat for the average player. So why do people still queue in? Socializing and afking is what the majority of players do in Greyhost. This is not a bad thing. Human beings are social creatures, you can't force them to unsocialize in a multiplayer game, and realistically speaking, people need breaks and cannot be battling 24/7. It makes more sense for ZOS to lean into the socialization aspect and make grouping and coordination easier and more meaningful, and implement underdog bonuses to address population imbalances and entice participation. They cannot reach a critical population in Greyhost anymore, so they have to switch to Vengeance.
This dissertation would have set you back to Freshman year.
The entire point of Vengeance was supposedly performance driven, and yes on April 20th we are forced into Vengeance. Many of us only play ESO for the PvP.
The basis of Vengeance doesn’t even offer the current state of ESO, you can gripe about ballgroups or certain sets all you want, whatever, but to pretend Vengeance is a healthy option for ESO PvP is a lie. You can’t play any new system put out in Vengeance, WW mains be damned. It’s like a demo of the game but worse. It’s not a fair or realistic replacement for a system that has been enjoyed for a decade despite a dev team doing anything and everything to make it worse and not better.
SneaK
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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
As a strictly PvE player who might one day try PvP, I sincerely hope werewolf is not nerfed into the ground again. As long as ultimate in werewolf form is much more sustainable, I will be very excited to run this in Infinite Archive, random dungeons, and less sweaty trials. Werewolf in PvE right now looks acceptable in my opinion (Assuming in form ult gen is sustainable)
Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Thieves Guild Questline
I do have a concern with offerring a "Do the new Thieves Guild Line" seasonal Challenge.
Obviously the point is to get people to do the new questline. But there are a lot of players who like to delay doing storylines specifically so they can experience it, and not have every quest objective drowned out in a sea of flashiness.
I personally usually waited to do the old main Chapter stories until August despite them releasing in June because I wanted the crowds to die down so I would actually be able to see the NPCs and the things I needed to do, instead of just following everybody and their brother through a series of spamming [E]. After all, look how the world is any time we have an event quest start up - that's how this questline is going to look.
Unless 100% of the quest is privately instanced, the quest objectives will be mobbed and it will be a miserable experience for players who are here for the story... which is ostensibly the most important thing you're pushing and you even called it out in the reveal. Pushing the players into doing the stories the second they release means nobody will be able to experience it without fifty flashbangs in your face at once, and you'll end up turning off a lot of your players who are here for stories.
Obviously the point is to get people to do the new questline. But there are a lot of players who like to delay doing storylines specifically so they can experience it, and not have every quest objective drowned out in a sea of flashiness.
I personally usually waited to do the old main Chapter stories until August despite them releasing in June because I wanted the crowds to die down so I would actually be able to see the NPCs and the things I needed to do, instead of just following everybody and their brother through a series of spamming [E]. After all, look how the world is any time we have an event quest start up - that's how this questline is going to look.
Unless 100% of the quest is privately instanced, the quest objectives will be mobbed and it will be a miserable experience for players who are here for the story... which is ostensibly the most important thing you're pushing and you even called it out in the reveal. Pushing the players into doing the stories the second they release means nobody will be able to experience it without fifty flashbangs in your face at once, and you'll end up turning off a lot of your players who are here for stories.
Re: The game needs things to do.
I agree that the event schedule feels rather full and often occupies a lot of my game time that I'd rather use for something else in game, like replaying older chapter questlines.
But I think adding more activities to the world - without any obligation in participating in them - wouldn't be bad.
One suggestion I've seen coming up several times was actually making playable versions of those game table furnishings that are already in game. For example these two:
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Hlaalu_Gaming_Table,_Foxes_&_Felines
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Elsweyr_Game,_Swan_Stones
Apart from making the craftable furnishings interactible, adding a few of them to taverns for public use could be a good idea. No high priority, of course, but if enough people are interested in it, why not?!
Generally, I think that player housing could need more things to do there, apart from just decorating and crafting. Perhaps harvestable plants for alchemy and cooking.
But I think adding more activities to the world - without any obligation in participating in them - wouldn't be bad.
One suggestion I've seen coming up several times was actually making playable versions of those game table furnishings that are already in game. For example these two:
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Hlaalu_Gaming_Table,_Foxes_&_Felines
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Elsweyr_Game,_Swan_Stones
Apart from making the craftable furnishings interactible, adding a few of them to taverns for public use could be a good idea. No high priority, of course, but if enough people are interested in it, why not?!
Generally, I think that player housing could need more things to do there, apart from just decorating and crafting. Perhaps harvestable plants for alchemy and cooking.
Syldras
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Re: Namira's Hunger Weapon effects...oh boy
FieryPhoenix wrote: »While I agree whole heartedly with you, I’m afraid this trend will only continue as this seems to be happening in all facets of the game. Everything is getting too flashy, too loud, too over the top. The visual effects toggle can’t come soon enough for me.
Note to the devs: Less is in fact more.
Not only is the crown store trend lore / immersion breaking and ugly, at this level imo it becomes a health risk for people with light sensitivity or are prone to seizures...
Re: Three-Sided Deathmatch
I don't understand why some people cling to the lie that 3-sided Battlegrounds were just as unbalanced as 2-sided. Does anyone know?Two-sided Battlegrounds are too difficult to balance
Haki_7
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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Dragonknight (U50 Adjustments)
The buff to Heart of Flame(now restoring 15% of max health) makes it even better the the sorc Blood Magic passives while retaining being better than the new Conservation pure Sorc passive...Why?
I am seriously sad Wings projectile damage reduction of 50% has not been adjusted. Even at 20% reduction this would remain a powerfull mitigation. As of yet you can just laugh at any ranged ability.
I am seriously sad Wings projectile damage reduction of 50% has not been adjusted. Even at 20% reduction this would remain a powerfull mitigation. As of yet you can just laugh at any ranged ability.
Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
YandereGirlfriend wrote: »Devs, please please please make any nerfs you do for PvP actually only PvP. As you can see in the parses above, werewolf is just finally competitive, good and acceptable in PvE, do not gut this, do not ruin class uniqueness, do not ruin fun.
Definitely. I don't think that anyone wants to see WW get nerfed into the ground in PvE.
Fortunately, this iteration of the Combat Team seems to have a much lighter touch when it comes to that and is more open to making PvP-specific alterations to mechanics.
One or two magic number tweaks while "against players" likely solves any problems.
Whatever changes happen should not make Werewolves irrelevant or undesirable to play in PvP. We belong there, too.
How many Werewolf players do you see in PvP outside of guild events? Hardly any, from my experience. I hope Update 50 makes Werewolf viable again so that we see more people using it.
It feels like nearly everyone switched over to Dragonknight (or Subclassed some Dragonknight lines) in Update 49, so I want to see people using Werewolf in Update 50. Unlike Vampire or Dragonknight, Werewolf requires you to go all in to get any of its benefits — nerf it too much and it'll be in the same spot as it was before.
Werewolf must be overtuned to convince anyone to abandon the human form builds in practice; what Werewolf lacks in flexibility, it makes up for in raw power. This isn't merely a one bar build, because one bar builds have access to so many more abilities, passives, and core combat mechanics than werewolves do.
Re: The game needs things to do.
First, thanks for the feedback. A bit of follow up before asking a question. We are adding some new things for folks to do. Dynamic Encounters (Currently on PTS), Favors (Currently on PTS), Rumors (Coming later this year), Sages Vault (coming later this year) and our events are aimed to give more things to do. We are trying to find a right balance for events, since we have heard feedback around having too many.
It sounds like you are looking for more things for players to do based on their agency, rather than activities we have set up in-game. But please correct me if I am wrong. Just trying to make sure the request is understood.
Is there something you are looking for in particular? Like some examples from other games you have played would be helpful. Just so we can send things to the right places.
It sounds like you are looking for more things for players to do based on their agency, rather than activities we have set up in-game. But please correct me if I am wrong. Just trying to make sure the request is understood.
Is there something you are looking for in particular? Like some examples from other games you have played would be helpful. Just so we can send things to the right places.
ZOS_Kevin
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