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Re: April 20th Vengeance Only..
Ive pvped since 2014 and I think Vengeance is better pvpmode then the "normal" pvp you see in cyrodiil these days, its 99.9% about what sets you use and what class you are, very little about skill. Vengeance is mostly about skill.
Skill to zerg people? You hardly can find 1v1, hardly can avoid zerging. I used to take recourse solo and then kite, survive and kill as much as I can, but in Vengeance you just can't do it effectively. 3 people with 90% chance will kill you if you try to attack, so all you can is run and wait until there is only one enemy.
imPDA
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Re: April 20th Vengeance Only..
If they would stop doing these tests (as the very vocal anti-Vengeance players demand it), what should ZOS be doing instead? If the answer is nothing, then you've pretty much doomed Cyrodiil for everyone.
Idk, maybe test it themselves instead of using unpaid player base to test a concept that most are against.
Perhaps forcing their own employees to test it, instead of us, will give them some actual insight into PVP and they'll learn something? Wishful thinking...
Re: The Silence On Antiquity Leads Is Defeaning!
Coming from someone who spent upwards of 18 hours straight picking flowers in Shadowfen to get the Tide-Glass Beads for the Harpooner's Wading Kilt I personally think the drop rate on leads is fine. Most of them you get rather quickly (some would argue, too quickly). Don't take this the wrong way OP, but I don't see why a change to the drop chance is necessary because someone is having an issue getting their 3rd one to drop... If anything, overworld could use even more extremely rare items, rather via leads or not, to give people a reason to hang out in various zones more. Outside of a few very rare furniture items in just a couple zones, there really isn't anything to put a bunch of long-term farming into.
That sounds like "As a masochist I think pain is fine"
ankeor
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Re: Lack of sanitary items
It's funny, in many MMOs with housing, the bathroom isn't thought about. My ships and houses in swtor many years ago, no bathroom. ESO has no bathroom. In fallout 76, they started releasing bathroom items and I was awe struck. Such a simple thing, a shower, a toilet and a sink to place as you please. Yes it's a more modern setting, meaning it's very obvious when your build is missing it, and the world has tons of bathrooms but these poor citizens of Tamriel. Maybe this explains all the cults and trouble. The 3 banners war, because the white gold tower has a bathroom.
twisttop138
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Re: Lack of sanitary items
Explains why everyone is so itchy. Sit your toon down, they start itching pretty quick.
Umbracat449
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Re: April 20th Vengeance Only..
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if greyhost is the pot, ironically vengeance is a very small kettle. A minority, of a minority trying to attract a majority (PvE) that despises competitive play in the first place.
Whoever thought it a good idea to attempt to make pvp more competitive and balanced by stripping everything the game's been known for, to appease people who hate everything about competitive play... really needs to be studied. Especially since all they actually did was make it a numbers game zerg fest even more than Greyhost ever was.
The only people who will stay in vengeance long term are the same ones who occupy the now dead ravenwatch, BR and below 50 campaigns. Jaded bitter pvpers that just wanna zerg, and pvers that just want their tier 3 rewards.
Maximus_Mordred wrote: »ToddIngram wrote: »No amount of hyping by the vocal minority will change that.
Pot, meet kettle.
if greyhost is the pot, ironically vengeance is a very small kettle. A minority, of a minority trying to attract a majority (PvE) that despises competitive play in the first place.
Whoever thought it a good idea to attempt to make pvp more competitive and balanced by stripping everything the game's been known for, to appease people who hate everything about competitive play... really needs to be studied. Especially since all they actually did was make it a numbers game zerg fest even more than Greyhost ever was.
The only people who will stay in vengeance long term are the same ones who occupy the now dead ravenwatch, BR and below 50 campaigns. Jaded bitter pvpers that just wanna zerg, and pvers that just want their tier 3 rewards.
Re: April 20th Vengeance Only..
ToddIngram wrote: »Maximus_Mordred wrote: »Hi ZOS,
Stop doing this, the majority of your PvP base does not want this washed game mode. We don’t want to contribute anything to your “testing” because we are against it. Frankly, it’s a waste of time. With all the good that’s being done recently in the studio this is the remaining outlier of a team clinging to one last bad decision. It feels like we’re just being reminded to stay skeptical of the PvP dev team’s vacuum decision making philosophy.
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Can we test PvE Vengeance on April 20th too?
Speak for yourself, after the endless years of nonstop ballgroups and bombers destroying PvP for all but the biggest sweatlords I am so looking forward to this.
Seeing the angry little forum bubble throwing a tantrum when they can't get carried by their sets to crush PvErs and clueless zergs to give themselves a fragile sense of power and superiority over others is never not music to my ears. The fact is that they have never, at any point represented the majority of PvPers. If ZOS did literally the exact polar opposite of what the chronically online "PvP" population here demanded then Cyrodiil today would be a much better place.
Not many times I support ZOS' stance on PvP but got to say, this is one of them.
As one of those PvP players who "throws a tantrum when I can't get carried by my sets to crush PvErs and clueless zergs to give myself a fragile sense of power and superiority over others" I will be taking vengeance week off. You see, I'm not a fan of the toxic PvE community that continuously make statements like the one from you I've quoted.
I've put in the time to be good at live Cyrodiil PvP. I'm not going to help ZOS throw all my years of time and effort into the trash bin.
Sorry, but if you truly think that it's only PvE players that are waiting for Vengeance then you're sorely mistaken. I've been playing in Cyro for years, been through all of the best and worst metas, nerfs and buffs and GH is in a terrible state at the moment. I'm not going to sit here and say Vengeance should be the only campaign, it should be separate from GH in my opinion, but let's not sit here and pretend it's JUST the PvE community play testing this server.
Less than 1 in 5 PvP mains will play vengeance. If you take a poll of PvP mains you'll see this is the case. And we all saw the last "test" when people had a choice between GH and vengeance, GH was pop locked while vengeance had one bar or less. We all know that the one bar vengeance does not equal one bar GH, but the fact is when people have a choice, vengeance is deserted while GH is pop locked. If people are being honest, this is why ZOS is removing GH as an option this time around in an effort to artificially inflate participation numbers just like they did for the first "test".
Vengeance is a fail by every measure. No amount of hyping by the vocal minority will change that.
Re: Update 50 PTS – Week 1 Summary
Colindestiny2 wrote: »
Maybe instead of lowering the cellings and making power creep controlled How about we just raise the floor for some of the other classes so that way we have some classes who do good in one part but another class does good in another part Its okay to have sorc be super good in single target because you can count the amount of single target fights on your hand where as the aoe fights I don't think you have enough fingers!
- I do not understand why people are so resistant to nerfs on the test server. It would make sense if I were proposing to take away the power you already have on live. But that's a test server, where balance could (and should) change between the patches, until we reach appropriate numbers.
- I do not understand the obsession with "raising the floor". You already have enough damage, even on semi-RP builds, to get any trifecta. The problem would be to find a group that will let you prog SbS on your petomancer/elementalist/whatever. And, last time I checked, we were playing in Elder Scrolls Online, not in World of Warcraft, so increasing power for everyone every patch should not be expected.
- If we're raising the floor for classes, we also should raise the floor for multiclasses, too, since they are worse now. Regardless of everyone's opinion on that "system", it is a part of a game now, so we should respect its existence and balance things while keeping it in mind. Therefore, raising the floor will lead to buffing literally every class skill. That looks like a much worse solution than balancing pure class by adjusting numbers in class sets and class masteries.
- I agree that it's fine if some class is better than another in one part, but worse in another. This is not what's happening on PTS. If we take both Sorc and DK in their parse set-ups for content:
Sorc won't be using Monolith, since it's extremely impractical in most of the fight, Overload (and therefore Signet), since your group expects you to bring Atro. But you will be receiving a buff from Heat Shock.
DK would keep the same set-up. And receive Banner/Status Knife buffs from Sorc.
In this case, DK will probably out-DPS Sorc in ST-DPS. And DK has cleave, that Sorc's lacking.
Sorc is not a ST-specialist in content; it's worse than DK, even if dummy parses may deceive you. - Obvious ways to fix it:
- Rework Monolith, so it won't be Null Arca+Coral on dummy, and borderline unusable in content, so Sorc's damage won't have such a big difference between dummy and content setups.
- Rework Pyrebrand. It's over-performing in both PvE and PvP (from what I've seen on the forum), and has a bad design, since it's tied to one specific class mastery. Maybe tone down Wildfire Embers a bit, too.
- I can live with Warden overperforming on the dummy with Signet and bad sustain.
- I'm not too happy with Plar's ST being too high, considering its cleave from jabs, but Aetheric Lancer is not too practical, since it forces you to stand in its AoE, which can spawn in awkward places, so in content you'll either use another set (=DPS loss), or play riskily. Also, you have an ultigen mastery, so you may become support DD in WM or Crypt, and run Bastion of Light instead of Judgment’s Brand, since your group wants 300 WPD from you. Overall, that's fine.
- For the rest of the classes, I'm asking for buffs.
- Rework Monolith, so it won't be Null Arca+Coral on dummy, and borderline unusable in content, so Sorc's damage won't have such a big difference between dummy and content setups.
IDK why people are trying to present me as some evil Grinch who wants to steal all the fun from everybody, while I'm just asking to bring outliers back in line, instead of buffing literally everything to the level of outliers.
Re: "WW is too OP" debate from WW Feedback Thread
Saying that WW has "solid" healing is an uderstatement. I heal around 10k from a smammable that is basically free to use.
In the current form WW is absolutely too strong on any class, sorc is just the strongest. You can still do well above 6k dps on any class and its just an ult, not even a separate class.
Atm WW can kill anything with the right build, but no class can kill WW if they have even one working braincell. Burst heal heals above 20 crits, 100% uptime on armor pots and overall making every ability cost nothing means the WW has unlimited recources.
WW is just extremely unhealthy in the current state and even returning old WW sustain would make it a lot more balanced and healthy for pvp.
In the current form WW is absolutely too strong on any class, sorc is just the strongest. You can still do well above 6k dps on any class and its just an ult, not even a separate class.
Atm WW can kill anything with the right build, but no class can kill WW if they have even one working braincell. Burst heal heals above 20 crits, 100% uptime on armor pots and overall making every ability cost nothing means the WW has unlimited recources.
WW is just extremely unhealthy in the current state and even returning old WW sustain would make it a lot more balanced and healthy for pvp.
Wup_sa
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