Wuuffyy wrote: »

hoangdz wrote: »

This is possibly one of the rare cases where not all opinions are valid. If you know you know

I absolutely agree on the matter! That and more can once again be discussed in the thread mentioned over and over and over (info below however). You can also read what is quoted under the spoiler if you need it before you head over (inside is the tag to ~the discussion~)

Wuuffyy wrote: »

Overbowed wrote: »

Please post the CMX's, videos, and math you are using to come to this conclusion.

I have- check here

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/691083/u50-feedback-thread-for-combat-refresh-werewolf

and here

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/691541/ww-is-too-op-debate-from-ww-feedback-thread.

I’m constantly and consistently providing proof throughout those posts. I actually went back to check through my own posts and I my requests indeed remain the same through and through (and have yet to be met). I even made an attempt at providing genuine feedback for class mastery in relation to werewolf (going on good faith and assuming there is/was any validity in the ‘nerf werewolf’ claim) after seeing sorc-with-masteries parsing a whopping ~220k on the atro dummy.

Someone said it best in that the 1 video supplied shows nothing but a hodgepodge of Riften duels with players of various skill levels (some literally die after 10 seconds using 2 skills or less) providing no info on opponent gear or even the challenger’s gear/abilities (skills lines,etc.). Add to this the CMXs were parsing with Relequen, Huntsman (super damage 1 v 1 mythic), and the ilk (once again CMX being incapable of relaying opponent info or ‘challenger’ gear/abilities).

I use parses (which show possible maximums and are replica-table) to ‘prove’ my numbers and reasoning in discussion. I also draw from tooltips and provide evidence of gear, etc. when I post my own personal info.

Overbowed wrote: »

Wuuffy it's pretty clear you aren't acting in good faith, but I will engage once, and only once.

(how dare thee misspell my name, jk)

I actually do believe it’s incredibly disingenuous to ‘enter’ a conversation by name dropping, accusing someone of acting in bad faith, while providing no substantive evidence of any kind from ‘your side’. This in and of itself is about as disingenuous as saying ‘nerf x’ because ‘I ran Relequen and Hunstman in a 1v1’ and ‘here’s what I pulled’… all while providing literally no information or proof of your opponent gear/ abilities for protection values, etc.

But HEY, that’s just a fil—- I meant if you wish to discuss more please enter the second thread listed above and I’d be happy to go at the roundabout should you choose (I request substantive proof, you provide none as described very clearly in threads+above, rinse-repeat).

Buddy, I can't tell if you're a master ragebaiter or you are genuinely serious in your conviction. Regardless, I cannot be bothered going through another 5+ pages of arguing in circles with the WW community, so I'll just state these 3 facts (yes, they are facts, not opinions):

1) WW is currently overperforming on PTS, with or without class masteries. This has been repeatedly demonstrated multiple times by good players utilizing a PROPER build against good opponents. If, for whatever reason, you doubt the competency of those opponents, I STRONGLY suggest you prove it by taking their place instead.

2) WW is currently performing best with proc sets. Nobody here can claim that slapping them on WW falsifies data when it has already happened on the live server (i.e Pyrebrand/Relequen/Vateshran DK, Relequen Bowsorc, Null Arca builds, Gorethief builds, etc.). All of these iterations exist on the live server and are still popular in all facets of PvP. People aren't wearing those sets to "win duels and skew data". They're wearing them because their specs have the best synergy with those sets.

3) Whether you like it or not, 1v1 is one of the best methods to gauge PvP balance. It's not 100% accurate, but it's currently the best way to provide balance feedback because it’s easy to pull off (no need to simulate BG/Cyrodiil conditions) and everything is controlled (no Cyro lag, random healing from teammates, random damage taken from other opponents). Not only that, but it’s been historically proven that what is broken in a 1v1 tends to also apply to other PvP environments. Meta subclassed builds like Animal/Assassination/Storm or Restoring Light, triple proc set builds, Jeralls, etc. are all pretty potent and overperforming in duels. Guess what? They are also used by groups lol. There are only a few exceptions where that isn’t the case, such as Vicious Death being a bomb set only, but that line too has faded in U49 when you consider reworked DKs wearing Vicious Death and STILL having the potential to nuke a good player in a 1v1.