Ah yes, gonna be so fun with obnoxious Molag Bal polymorphed people on giant mammoths blocking the view and whatnot.

Fully agree, this is just lame design, especially when ESO is boasting so much about qol changes. Release a feature with huge qol flaws, and talk about taking time to fix qol things... That is really disapointing.

ArchMikem wrote: »

It's of my unprofessional opinion that the Crown Store cosmetics have begun to reach critical levels of immersion breakage.

I ran into a dancing Molag Bal, in the middle of town.

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Idky that bothers you. If I saw a dancing Molag Bol, I'd be cracking up

As much as I personally dont like the dancer/dancing personality(something about it irks me, not sure why), I dont think ESO has done anything truly immersion breaking. Everything in the store is set within the Elder Scrolls universe. We dont get any other non TES licensed things, which is good.

Personally, and I know im in a minority, I love the Symphony of Blades mount. I mean, its based of the Symphony of Blades boss, one of the coolest looking bosses we have in a dungeon.

If you dont like the more flashy things, just pretend they are not there. As I do when I see other players with rediculous character names.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Some players acknowledges the whole playerbase. There's always two sides to any update they give. Some will like it and some will not. Also, even if it was universally disliked on the forums, the forums are a very small fraction of the playerbase.

I actually find the opposite to be true. By stating that "some players" experience issues it downplays the issue and gives the impression of a minor problem ("barely an inconvenience") whereas it usually affects all players or, at the very least, most of them.

Now, I didn't mean my initial post to be taken so much as a criticism or even a sign of disrespect, but as a genuine plea. Problems occur. We understand that. We also understand that the staff at ZOS (usually) isn't at fault and are trying to do what they can with what they have. All the more reason to just state the obvious.

I should perhaps add that I'm talking about the banners at the top of the page. Those will probably be mostly seen by forum members.

Absolutely ridiculous prices. The crown prices are just getting worse and worse. 4k for a mount? 1.8k for just a damn recolour?

Soon the 4k will become the default for all new mounts and recolours of skillstyles will be thousands as well. Which frankly shouldn't be close to 1k for a single one, less so a recolour. Like that should tops be just some hundred.

Sarannah wrote: »

uhhm, shouldn't all mammoth mounts be the same size for everyone? As it is a crown store item.

Mounts all scale to the character's size. A taller character will therefore have a larger mount.

The thing is that some polymorphs (like Molag Bal or the Minotaur) set your height to a specific value regardless of what you put in, so that makes you taller (or shorter in the case of the goblin), and therefore will scale the mount size as well.

Here's a height map I made for my characters that includes the minotaur polymorph. I tried to scale everything to be the exact same by matching their pose and position and scaling to an offscreen picture so I could see them all together, and the Nord at the end is a max height Nord (the tallest a character can possibly get). And the minotaur absolutely dwarfs him.


Another fun consequence of scaling mounts is the two-rider mounts. It will scale the mount to the height of the driver, so the passenger actually gets scaled to fit, making both characters the same height regardless of what was set up for them.

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

The question isn't meant to mean we have lost our way. It is only to signal this: Some have expressed frustration with cosmetic direction and saying years prior have been better and more grounded. It is helpful to have examples to specifically point to the team and say, "some folks are frustrated with some of the flashier cosmetics and would want something like (Insert Example). In future planning, can we have more thought into some less flashy, more grounded content?"

It's the info I need to do my job effectively. The team has a plan and is carrying it forth. Everyone in this thread I think wants player feedback to have an impact in decision making. So getting that info as early as possible is the only way to make that happen.

Many players likely think you have lost your way, because we often have for many years said the same things over and over again, given plenty of examples but it seems to fall on deaf ears so it ends with we us stopping give examples and only vent out our frustration. People get tired of repeating themselves.

It's like the never ending player desire for less hip and crotch flaps or random pieces of metal on clothes, yet those keep coming.

Or the request for different daedra forms for sorcerer pets, such as fire atronachs, banekin, dremora, and all manner of daedra, as well as different animals for wardens, which is now clearly possible with the skillstyles. But what we get are just expensiver crown recolours.

Or some attention to werewolves, to give them different werebeast forms or just even different fur colours.

Or more lore fitting and practical skins, like people have wanted a skin for vampires that only hides their vampirism without badly photoshopped flowers and whatnot. Like don't even need to stop there, could have skins for different strains of vampirism. Which would also be nice for npcs too so all of these vampires who are clearly from different strains don't look to be from the same one. Don't have to stop at vampires either, like we have access to all manner of weird skins, but not a Briarheart skin?

More lore fitting cosmetics in general that are based on lore and the setting's style and theme, instead of making random things and then give them some thrown together description to justify their existence. It's like when you make a character for tabletop or some story. You make them according to the setting and fit into it, not make the setting bend and fit to them.
After all these years it baffles me how much feel and look like random mmo cosmetics while we are missing existing things both from visuals of the game but also lore. Like I can wear what looks like bad photoshop of flowers, butterflies, weird stained glass windows as body markings, but not tattoos and body markings similar to those seen in Morrowind. My nibenese don't have gaudy tattoos and magic runes. In fact, few markings actually look like tattoos. There's too bold, thick and dark lines.
I can make myself look like Molag Bal, which is such a mind boggling polymorph in the setting. It being an illusion doesn't make it better, because who would make themselves look like Bal especially during this time period? It is such awful taste. Guards and npcs should react!
Then we have polymorphs that makes us look like things that are very niche and are barely shown in the game.
But we can't look like hagravens, nereirds, fauns, and other more common creatures. At least minotaur and lich was added after a long time.

Don't get me started on how much I loathe many of the recall and resource harvesting customisations. Many are so loud and flashy they are a big cause of my headaches and eye pain. Here again we see the tacky use of something that feels so bad for setting, such as the Molag Bal polymorph, in the form of the dolmen. Ah yes, lets just teleport away using this tool of a daedric prince that has caused and is still causing so much destruction, death and horrors. Or it's a giant explosion of bright light and noise.
But we can't have a recall that looks like the typical portal we see so many npcs use? Maybe a simple one that is just stepping into and vanishing into shadows.

Then we have mounts... The never ending FX effects, which again why do they need to explode into existence, and bizarre looks that are getting more and more extreme on the same old skeleton. Even a lot of the supposed more grounded mounts are getting strange currenly, like the current crate season nix-ox which someone dipped into a tub of gold paint. The colours have a tendency to be way more saturated than the enviroment.
Something I'd love, would be if ZOS put in the effort and try make a new horse model that looks a bit more like a horse. I want more horses, which is the most used mount in Tamriel, and a new good base would go a long way.
A long time ago a friend once showed me the mounts of Lord of the Rings Online, which despite being quite old, has very nice mounts, especially horses which were the majority of the mounts. What really grabbed my attention, was that most of the mounts are normal looking houses, and the creativity and difference is done through various coats, some slight breed differences, but mainly very varying tack. So much varied and well done tack. Simple ones, armoured ones, ones for specific occupations and themes, ones in between etc. All with different styles that fit a culture, race, faction, some order etc. LOTRO mounts if anyone is curious.

Meanwhile the majority of ESO's mounts that are not apex ones all use the same boring tack in just different colours. Where are guars with tacks themed after each of the dunmer Great Houses and some argonian styles? Breton knights heavily armoured horses with heraldries (Was baffling High Isle didn't have a jousting themed horse) and fancy noble show horses from the finest Cheydinhall stable saved from the war. A redguard trader's camel and the armoured ones their guards would use etc.

One of favourite mounts are the Baandari apex mounts, just because they are normal looking animals with interesting and well done tack. I could be without the constant silly holding of the compass, though.

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