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Re: Extremely Low Midyear Mayhem Turnout, Why?
IMO on PC NA only one campaign has fun fights. Once queue becomes more than an hour for it, it is time to do something else.
ZOS as someone who actually likes PvP, do not let the low turn out make you think that vengeance is the solution. Vengeance can exist as its own thing, but it is not a proper replacement of the exhilaration of Cyrodiil when it works.
Turnout this bad points to mass dissatisfaction though. Almost no one likes Cyrodiil in it's current state and it shows. You might find a few people that say that this patch is great, but they will soon find themselves among the few people left in Cyrodiil.
I don't think Vengeance as we last saw it is the solution, but I think that a Cyrodiil with pure stat based sets only (that are balanced with each other), higher population caps, lowered barriers to entry, and skills more in line with early ESO (like frags stunning or merciless resolve requiring more management) would be far more successful than the mess we have now.
ESO's 1.0 and 2.0 eras had huge PvP populations for a reason, even with some of the performance issues that existed back then. The current developers should take notes on why that is.
Stamicka
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Re: Rush of Agony
Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »Nope, because you have a very clear (and cool, I might add) visual indicator for the area... You can actually see if you're in the radius where you get pulled or not.
How it works on Live is that someone can gap close someone away from you, sprint towards you and pull you because it considers pullling player's position rather than a static one.
This is very prone to positional desyncs because the servers have a hard time figuring out actual player locations, hence why dawnbreakers and other AoEs can miss point blank, why you often can't land abilities on someone running around a pillar even if they're in your range etc.
Think of the new one as Dark Convergence, just different proc timer/visual.
Except that Dark Con applies CC immunity and was nerfed from 7s to 25s because ZOS considered it too strong.
Rush of Agony is now essentially a 7s 'targeted' Dark Con AND you can combo it with Warden charm so people get pulled in and almost instantly charmed whilst you're free to use a damage skill
The only drawback is that you might get some less perfect pulls because someone might not be standing in the spot you would ideally like to pull.
I mean, even with the current Rush of Agony that has a very problematic pull there's a lot of builds that are better off running Dark Convergence instead.
What you proc something off of is very important, and very often running a gap closer does mean you sacrifice something more valuable in the build.
Rush is generally used in 2 scenarios
1) Group pvp
2) Bombing (both solo and smallscale bombing)
In both cases you can afford to easily slot a gap closer if required. Dark Con vs just pugs has always been kind of better the only factor was that Rush you can pull on every proxy countdown. Where as for solo bombing you often need to wait for ulti anyway so the longer cooldown of DC is fine.
The issue which I think people complain about generally with Rush is that it was difficult to see when someone nearby you is jumped to - and this then causes you to get pulled in because you don't block in time.
The problem isn't that you get pulled in in that situation. The problem is that you can get follow up stunned AFTER the pull. This situation isn't going away with this patch so it will still be a problem.
There should be a CC cooldown if you are affected by a CC like a pull. No Exceptions.
Additionally if you are solo the warning addons didn't work unless it was you that got jumped to and some still work just AgonyWarning doesn't
Re: ZOS, Massive Spike in Ping/LAG in Recent Days - What Gives?
Given ZOS's inability to have good performance across consecutive weeks, this thread is never going to die! 
Re: Shalks needs an Indicator
I spent +6 hours in IC and Cyro during the current Whitestrake event.
Literally 90% of people are playing: assassination (merciless/surprise), animal companions (deep), storm calling (streak/overload). Previously, each class had one, maybe two, three, builds, which most considered endgame. Now, all classes use the same one, and consider one skill line an extra, unless they're in one of the above. Today, in IC, out of 25 fights I fought, only one didn't use streak
No one can convince me otherwise. Anyone who participates in the event can see what's happening. It looks more like the game has been reduced to a single class.
Don't get me wrong, I've been anticipating this since the meetings with the developers when this sub update was announced – questions about balance ended with "we'll keep an eye on it," which is why it looks the way it does (besides the rapidly declining player count, there are a lot of new negative reviews on steam).
I really like this game, but good luck finding the golden mean now - it's definitely not crossplay, because at the end of this road everyone will come to the same conclusions. I wish for myself and you that the situation will improve, although I am starting to doubt it
Literally 90% of people are playing: assassination (merciless/surprise), animal companions (deep), storm calling (streak/overload). Previously, each class had one, maybe two, three, builds, which most considered endgame. Now, all classes use the same one, and consider one skill line an extra, unless they're in one of the above. Today, in IC, out of 25 fights I fought, only one didn't use streak
No one can convince me otherwise. Anyone who participates in the event can see what's happening. It looks more like the game has been reduced to a single class.
Don't get me wrong, I've been anticipating this since the meetings with the developers when this sub update was announced – questions about balance ended with "we'll keep an eye on it," which is why it looks the way it does (besides the rapidly declining player count, there are a lot of new negative reviews on steam).
I really like this game, but good luck finding the golden mean now - it's definitely not crossplay, because at the end of this road everyone will come to the same conclusions. I wish for myself and you that the situation will improve, although I am starting to doubt it
P0m3k
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Re: Extremely Low Midyear Mayhem Turnout, Why?
I don't think Vengeance as we last saw it is the solution, but I think that a Cyrodiil with pure stat based sets only (that are balanced with each other), higher population caps, lowered barriers to entry, and skills more in line with early ESO (like frags stunning or merciless resolve requiring more management) would be far more successful than the mess we have now.
This is the way it should be 100%. Stop making the gap between hardcore pvp'ers and everyone else so huge. My last time I entered IC, my entire group decked out very good PvE gear went up against a single DK. We never even moved his health bar or broke his shield. I was on a toon that was parsing about 80k in PvE.
I know that no one will miss me in Cyro, but I won't be going back as the emphasis on perfect gear just ruins it for me.
Kwik1
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Re: Extremely Low Midyear Mayhem Turnout, Why?
Felt like every other 'summer Mayhem' to me.
PvD players like myself stick to the 7-day campaigns for AP, chasing that sweet low pop/low score. Emperors are crowned and dethroned and the choo-choo train goes on, only briefly slowed down by the occasional bomber.
Business as usual.
The only thing I have noticed is that 'farming parties' that used to be a staple of the first weekend were notably absent; I encountered a couple on Friday evening but none after. The fact that hardly anyone bites anymore might have been a contributing factor.
The majority of players I have grouped with have finally wisened up to the fact that doing the 'merry chase' around the resource towers/keep walls only nets some AP (and entertainment) to those aforementiones parties, for the rest is a waste of time and potential AP. It has only taken a decade. We're slow learners.
The campaigns where PvP happens however seemed pop capped (PC/EU), well except Ravenwatch, which used to be a place where people like myself could dip their toes on actual PvP without being ROFLStomped in 2 GCDs flat - thus learning nothing in the process - until it was reverted to a ruleset that apparently pleases no one. Winning.
PvD players like myself stick to the 7-day campaigns for AP, chasing that sweet low pop/low score. Emperors are crowned and dethroned and the choo-choo train goes on, only briefly slowed down by the occasional bomber.
Business as usual.
The only thing I have noticed is that 'farming parties' that used to be a staple of the first weekend were notably absent; I encountered a couple on Friday evening but none after. The fact that hardly anyone bites anymore might have been a contributing factor.
The majority of players I have grouped with have finally wisened up to the fact that doing the 'merry chase' around the resource towers/keep walls only nets some AP (and entertainment) to those aforementiones parties, for the rest is a waste of time and potential AP. It has only taken a decade. We're slow learners.
The campaigns where PvP happens however seemed pop capped (PC/EU), well except Ravenwatch, which used to be a place where people like myself could dip their toes on actual PvP without being ROFLStomped in 2 GCDs flat - thus learning nothing in the process - until it was reverted to a ruleset that apparently pleases no one. Winning.
ApoAlaia
6
Re: Vengance be like...
Real pvp players generally have thick skin and couldn't care less about insults anyway.
For the first couple of years in the alliance war forums, ZOS understood that trash talk was part of competitive environments and let so much go. There's probably an old faq from 2014 somewhere that says as much.
Honestly, pvp games can be savage. We call pve players carebears for a reason. You should see zone chat in Rust. Contemporary eso players would call 911 if they saw it.
For the first couple of years in the alliance war forums, ZOS understood that trash talk was part of competitive environments and let so much go. There's probably an old faq from 2014 somewhere that says as much.
Honestly, pvp games can be savage. We call pve players carebears for a reason. You should see zone chat in Rust. Contemporary eso players would call 911 if they saw it.
Desiato
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Re: Should Vengeance add Subclassing?
The major reason I prefer Vengeance to Live is balance. Adding the single biggest unbalancing update ZOS has ever made to this mode would invalidate it.
Re: Change Sorcerer's Storm Calling passives
In what world does sorc need any form of nerf let alone to its only good passives? Energized's values should be doubled as is.
Re: More on the Microsoft lay offs, it's grim.
If they thought Blackbird would be successful, of course they would not have shot themselves in the foot by cancelling it.
Personally, my guess would be that someone on the business side came to realize they'd just be competing with themselves. Of course, devs will see a new game project as a new challenge and new way to create and express but business people see it as a second dip into a completely saturated market where they already have a reasonably large grip.
Sluggy
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