Will there ever be a point in time when the vengeance crowd doesn’t scream about toxicity while spreading toxicity?

The request is simple, stop closing GH for Vengeance “tests”. There are many many people who do not wish to be a lab rat anymore.

Wereswan wrote: »

Nobody is queuing their non-DD alts in the DD queue for the thrill of sitting in the queue forever. [...] "Bad" and "fake" are not the same; a fake role is someone queuing as the wrong role who has no intention of performing that role. Bad DPS players are still trying to DPS, even if they're failing miserably in the process.

Fake support skip the queue to get in the dungeon faster.
Fake DD skip the learning process to get in the dungeon faster.

Is someone puting 90% of his points in defence trying to be a damage dealer ?
Is someone with 90% of his points in defence a damage dealer ?
Is someone with 90% of his points in nothing and 10% in damage a damage dealer ?
If i unslot the taunt from my tank and queue as DD, am i a real DD ?

You just assume everyone is a DD by default and then changes in to heal or tank but you start as nothing or solo role and then need to build for groupplay heal, tank or DD. You'r not allready a DD when you come out of the tutorial.

And the problem with fake DD's is not that there bad but trying, it's that there NOT trying. It's an MMO! Join a guild or ask in zone chat "I want to be a DD and do [Dungeon X] (Veteran), is [Gear A] and [Gear B] good for that?". It's not hard and if you cant do that, DD = Dumb Dumb.

I have attempted to teached many players new to PVE and most just dont want to improve even a bit. When they see getting good dps requiers more than spamming the same DOT they are gone. When i tell them they need to take off there golded out missmatched overland gear without even e single 2piece bonus and put on some purple gear i crafted... they call me crazy and put me on ignore.

Same with mechanics. Someone cant play mechanics and group wants to kick him ? They allways say "How am i suposed to learn when i allways get a kick?". So i inv them as firend and tell them we can do the dungeon later with my guildmates they can learn everything on there own pace. And they call me a hero "Finaly someone who is not just an elitist and teches new players! Your so awsome! Thanks so much!!!". 30min later... i inv them to group... its me (healer) + Tank from guild and new DD...
DD: "Where is second DD ? I cant kill the boss alone XD"
Me: "We are here to learn mechanics, remember ? cant do that if boss is dead. We can kill him when you can play the mechanics 7/10 times."
System: DD left the group !
System: DD added you to ignorelist !

Or

DD: "Im actually a PVP player XD. I just need the helmet XD"
Me: "Yea i get that! . Here is a deal: If you beat my out of date PVP char that i made but never realy played 2/3 times in a 1v1, i carry you for any dungeon or raid you want all evening!"
System: DD left the group !
System: DD added you to ignorelist !

Same with Raids:
DD: "How am i suposed to learn when i allways get a kick?"
Me: "I can inv you to beginner guild where you can learn."
DD: "Im allready in 5 guilds and dont want to leave :-("
Me: "Np! I talk with raid lead he will inv you without joining the guild"
DD: "Oh i dont have time on Friday what a shame!!!"
Me: "Np! I talk with all the raid leaders i know and you can join any raid any day! "
DD: "Well thing is, i dont know when i can play so i might get late or have to leave early"
Me: "Thats no problem at all ! People do this all the time and there are allways free slots filled up by exp. playsers! Just log in and if a raid is going /w raid lead and a fill in exp. Player will make space for you. If you need to go he will fill in again or they just play 1 player short its all fine! "
System: DD left the group !
System: DD added you to ignorelist !

Here is what bad DD's look like:
- Port to guildhouse to craft gear, mundus etc. everything is there.
- spent 15-30 min learning to stand in front of healer, blockcasting, simple rotation 1-2-3-4-4-4-4-4-4.
- do vet DLC dungeon in ~60 min for helmet. ( No carry!)

But yea... why spend 30 min learning the game when you can wipe 30 min at the first boss just to get a kick and waste everyones time in the process.
Its just ridiculous and unnecessary and has nothing to do with justifying fake support or picking on bad/ new players.
Its all about players having limited amount of free time and other players deliberately wasting that time.

Yeah, there are also a lot of PvP players that would choose Vengeance over GH. I am going to probably just switch to Vengeance, as well. GH's neverending meta chase will not be any better. I am so bored everyone instantly playing the most absurd builds every patch and everyone same build more or less. And that builds can do everything, never sacrificing a single thing. I am looking forward to some sane PvP again in ESO.

Well, I've been trying to get my second Infinite Tome for over 2 years.. So yeah, I agree that the system is an utter travesty.

As it turns out @spantifical has compiled such list:

https://www.spantifical.com/lootable-lorebooks

She also has publicly accessible houses with the entire collection of lorebooks to make player's live easier .

If you visit her 'library' and read the books there you will obtain the required eidetic memory that enables you to 'loot' them yourself from their various sources.

It's not overtuned. It's just not conducive to the "me first" player mentality that somehow became acceptable behavior in pug groups. Speedrunning and multiple-individuals playstyles simpy aren't as effective.

I kinda like it.

I’d like to see celebration events for newer DLCs come back to at least make those zones a bit more populated for a while. Trying to get leads from world bosses or things like Bastion Nymics, or even getting achievements such as doing 30 Bastion Nymic quests can take forever if you did not do the content right after release because not a lot of players still do them. While Nymics can be solo’d on the right build they can take 3-5 business days to complete.

As far as I can find, these are the last times that zones after Summerset had an event (outside of the pan-Tamriel event in 2025)

Elsweyr - 2023
Greymoor - 2022 (perhaps a rerun when Greymoor becomes base game?)
Blackwood - 2023
High Isle - 2024
Necrom - 2023 (release year)
West Weald - 2024 (release year)

Warning: Unmarked spoilers!

Yesterday I concluded Tanlorin's questline, and the experience was ambivalent. On the other hand, I really liked the characters who were distinct and well characterized. On the other, however, the plot was only half explained, if that. It hinges on Wisteria's betrayal, but her motivation was not explained sufficiently. As the text stands, she seemed to just randomly decide that going over to the Ceythalmor would enable her to be romantically together with Tanlorin - as if they couldn't do that as it was. But also, judging form her lines she seemed to think the planned coup was important in itself, even more than Tanlorin's life. But why? The writer never tells us.

This bugged me greatly, so I concocted the following headcanon: Either Wisteria was a double agent for the Ceythalmor from the beginning, or they managed to turn her at an early stage to their side. As the faction's goals and thinking are left very ambiguous, there's room for speculation what was the exact hook they lured Wisteria with. I'm going with an idea they are a sort of fascist fringe faction within the Thalmor: Intending to transform the Altmer society into an authoritarian, populist state ruled by an ostensibly meritocratic elite (while paying some lip service to traditional forms). So, rather like the Falange in the 1930's Spain in our world.

Wisteria might have been attracted to an idea of equality among the Altmer and the breaking of the power of the wealthy elite and the social shackles of the family structures (which the Ceythalmor also might say is their goal, as does the Garland Ring), but not so much to the Ayrenn-style acceptance of outsiders which seems to be a part of the ideology of the Garland Ring. Part of the Ceythalmor populist drive could be a promise to remove the stigma of the oustered Altmer. As Tanlorin is oustered from their family, an open relationship between them and Wisteria would be socially unacceptable in the current conditions, and she doesn't want to risk becoming an outcast herself. Still, having their romance remaining a secret can't truly satisfy her in the long run either. Wisteria also seems to be frustrated with Garland Ring because they can't transform the society quickly enough for her taste. So, she thinks the coup the Ceythalmor is attempting would at one stroke solve the societal problems she chafes with and enable her to openly have a romantic relationship with Tanlorin. Both goals are very important to her, but the societal one is in the end more weighty for her - which is why she is able to threaten even Tanlorin with death if they stand in her way, even though she is internally torn. Judging by her lines she seems to harbour a grandiose fantasy of being able to control the Ceythalmor after the coup so there's a hefty dose of ambition involved too. Also judging by what she says she might have come to see behind the rhetoric of the Ceythalmor and realize they are just all about power, but the fantasy of getting them under her control is too strong for her to resist.

The player character becomes a convenient scapegoat for Wisteria's dilemma, as she might say to herself that the PC has ruined things by "seducing" Tanlorin away from her. Thus, her anger and contempt for the "thorn in her side". She also seems to be a jealous person who might well think that if she can't get Tanlorin, no one will. So she stakes her every hope to the success of the coup. If it succeeds, she thinks she has a chance to win Tanlorin over to her way of thinking when they see how "well" things will turn out. If not, and Tanlorin has to be sacrificed, at least she can say to herself that she has made that great sacrifice so that the Altmer society is saved and made perfect (to use a word from her line in the final battle). Either way, she will remain a hero in her own mind and need not have a guilty conscience.

Basically, to me this seems to be the only psychologically and logically satisfying way to make sense of her actions. Otherwise, she just seems insane and/or self-sabotaging for no reason whatsoever. What do you think? Are there any other ways to make the plot make sense?

Always been like this, and nothing will change it.
Is it insane? Yes