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Re: Extremely Low Midyear Mayhem Turnout, Why?
I can't wait for this event to be over. PvP people who don't let me mind my own business are the worst and a reason why I ignored any kind of MMOs for my entire like. I'm simply trying to play the Elder Scrolls with an online component, I don't want your pvp and other nonsense. I hate Cyrodiil and IC.
By the way Cyrodiil is very bad even from an artistic point of view. It's a huge, ugly, dull land mass, and it doesn't even feel like Cyrodiil from Oblivion. The buildings and everything is so low quality, outdated and bad. It's the worst zone in the whole game.
By the way Cyrodiil is very bad even from an artistic point of view. It's a huge, ugly, dull land mass, and it doesn't even feel like Cyrodiil from Oblivion. The buildings and everything is so low quality, outdated and bad. It's the worst zone in the whole game.
Versalium
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Re: More on the Microsoft lay offs, it's grim.
well. time passes and everything changes. I hope that if the worst option is implemented, Microsoft will join the "Stop Killing Games" initiative and leave us a working version.
LikiLoki
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Re: DPS makeup of vKA HM runs on ESOlogs, Updates 43-46
I picked Kyne's Aegis because I think (perhaps erroneously) that it is more single-target-dps-friendly than some of the newer trials, and therefore is less likely to skew towards arcanists. The numbers speak for themselves, though. It will be interesting to see if the nerf to Arc Banner changes anything in Update 47. All data from https://esologs.com/zone/statistics/14
Lets be real though, these stats are a bit cherry picked and don't really convey the real story. Look at the top ten dps from update 46 on the logs.
Out of the top 10 half are arcanists, but only 2 used fatecarver in their rotation. Yet, of the top ten, every player had assassination in their rotation. The reason you've seen such a growth in Arcanist as a base class has more to do with their skill lines complementing other skill lines better than any other class, more so than "fatecarver is the only way".
Yes, fatecarver will be greatly helping the mid tier players, but mid tier players will always flock to the easiest rotation possible even if it isn't the best option. Personally I don't see any need to nerf fatecarver and I'd go as far to say that other skills don't even need to be buffed, the one thing that can probably do with a buff which will even everything out is buffing light attacks. A good buff to light attacks will keep the mid tier players in the spot they're in now while allowing non-beam players with the skills (and over inflated egos that so desperately need to be miles above the pack) out pacing any beam build. We also need to be mindful of how the nerf to merciless is going to affect the average beam build, its a sizeable chunk of wp/sp damage they're losing which is probably going to require an added dot to their rotations to match U46 DPS.
As the original poster stated, these stats are from Kynes Aegis because it's the least arcanist favoured newer trial. So yes, these stats are purposefully cherry picked, but not in the direction you think. It's well known that single target focused builds can outperform fatecarver builds in single target damage. Where the problem lies is AoE damage. Fatecarver is far superior to anything else in terms of cleave damage and it's not even close. This makes the vKA logs even more worrying, that a trial which is pretty much entirely single target focused, is still dominated by beam builds. Your suggestion to buff light attacks, even though I'm all for it, wouldn't solve the issue at hand. The merciless nerf is going to do absolutely nothing to beam builds, because it doesn't solve the underlying issue with the class balance, which is the lack of AoE options to compete with the beam.
I picked Kyne's Aegis because I think (perhaps erroneously) that it is more single-target-dps-friendly than some of the newer trials, and therefore is less likely to skew towards arcanists. The numbers speak for themselves, though. It will be interesting to see if the nerf to Arc Banner changes anything in Update 47. All data from https://esologs.com/zone/statistics/14
Lets be real though, these stats are a bit cherry picked and don't really convey the real story. Look at the top ten dps from update 46 on the logs.
Out of the top 10 half are arcanists, but only 2 used fatecarver in their rotation. Yet, of the top ten, every player had assassination in their rotation. The reason you've seen such a growth in Arcanist as a base class has more to do with their skill lines complementing other skill lines better than any other class, more so than "fatecarver is the only way".
Yes, fatecarver will be greatly helping the mid tier players, but mid tier players will always flock to the easiest rotation possible even if it isn't the best option. Personally I don't see any need to nerf fatecarver and I'd go as far to say that other skills don't even need to be buffed, the one thing that can probably do with a buff which will even everything out is buffing light attacks. A good buff to light attacks will keep the mid tier players in the spot they're in now while allowing non-beam players with the skills (and over inflated egos that so desperately need to be miles above the pack) out pacing any beam build. We also need to be mindful of how the nerf to merciless is going to affect the average beam build, its a sizeable chunk of wp/sp damage they're losing which is probably going to require an added dot to their rotations to match U46 DPS.
I hear you, but your talking about the top 10 players. Millions of people play the game so the top 10 sweaty people playing in PC with mods, add ons and all types of glitchy stuff means nothing tbh.
The average every day player (a mid tier player according to you) is using fatecarver due to how its better then every spammable in the game. No spammable in the game can be used at range, do big damage, provide a damage shield, hit multiple targets, easy to sustain and requires no skill, which is what most of you still fail to realize.
When it comes to the assassination skill line, people mainly use it for the passives not for any sort of skill that can be spammed thats broken, so this is okay. You can mix the assassination skill line with any other skill line in the game as a damage dealer and still look different and be using different skills then someone else. Thinking about it now, the assassination skill line is the most diverse dps skill line. Some people may use the ultimate, some may use the execute, some might use that bow skill (the one that everyone was slotting passively) unlike Harold of the Tome where majority of people using it have to use the tentacle arm, fatecarver, inspired scolarship, whatever arena weapon skill, and cloak since almost everyone in PvE used daggers.
Well what's the issue here, is it how much a single skill is being used or how visible it is? Because when you look through the dps logs Killer's blade, Merciless resolve and Soul harvest are on far, far fffaaaaarrrrr more builds than fatecarver. Yet the issue is fatecarver? If you look through the logs and ask the question, which skills are the crutch skills based on how many people have them slotted, then the answer would be the NB skills. But no, fatecarver is the issue? Is it just because as a player you're more prone to noticing fatecarver because its more visible?
The issue is how invasive Herald of the Tome is as a skill line when it comes to subclassing. Both Herald of the Tome and Assassination are by far the strongest skill lines, but if you were to actually compare them and think why people are relatively fine with one (in PvE) and opposed to the other one. If you have a DK and you switch Earthen Heart with Assassination, you still feel like you are playing DK, because most of the Assassination's power comes from the passives and even with skills you can simply opt not to use them, and still gain almost all of the benefits from the skill line. Now compare this to Herald of the Tome, if you want to utilize the skill line, you have to keep creating and consuming crux. This requires you to use either runeblades or flail as spammable, and either fatecarver or tentacular dread to consume them. So even in the best scenario, you will have to switch your whip for runeblades and shove in tentacular dread to boot, not mention a fatecarver build which requires you to pretty much forget about your base class and just beam or create the crux to beam. The tentacular dread build is much less invasive, so people don't tend to complain about it as much, but the passives on Herald of the Tome are still way superior to any of the other skill lines.
This is what actually cherry picked data looks like if you want to make a point against the beam ↓
vOC HM class distribution
Every single arcanist was using beam that I checked through though I'm sure someone was mad enough to try a dread build and I just couldn't find it.
Re: Server Performance for MYM has been really poor
The issue with framedrops is not limited to Cyrodiil, since June 25 maintenance FPS drop everywhere in the game. I figured out, that for some reason ESO randomly started to spike CPUs which in turn results in Framedrops from 100 to 20. Its also unrelated to the type of CPU, doesn't matter if its old or brand new, not even the core number matters, it just happens to everyone.
Maybe something is wrong with the multithreading, but I am not an expert there.
Maybe something is wrong with the multithreading, but I am not an expert there.
L_Nici
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Re: Your Play Experience b/t Update 45 and Update 46 with Subclassing and Scribing In Base Game
As a PvP player, I can say that the subclasses are the worst thing you've ever done. I've been playing for 9 years, and I've never seen anything worse than the subclasses in this game. Don't you understand what you're doing? Maybe you should learn how to play your own game. PvP was already difficult before the introduction of the subclasses, because you improved the Sorcerer class for PvE, and as a result, it became extremely powerful in PvP, and you didn't do anything about it. Then, you introduced the subclasses, which made the situation even worse. Now, if a player doesn't want to play the sorcerer+nightblade+warden, they'll suffer. You've created a new, even stronger meta in both PvP and PvE. And now, with a high probability, you'll start nerfing classes, killing them even more and burying the possibility of playing a pure class. Well done.
SnakeCrasher
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Re: One shotting in PvP and PvP in general
Most of the fights with the high skill sweatlords are not one GCD though. If you watch their stream it’s 3-4 GCD. In fact they laugh if they one shot someone and comment that their Crit resist must have been zero.
It is interesting to compare this to the streams of Vengeance, where the high skill players complained, even when they were winning100 fights in a row. They complained because their own personal skill levels were capped by the limited builds and options.
Often these short TTK builds are due to proc sets. Now Mechanical Acuity would be a good example . They can build with 12% Crit damage because it goes to 100% with the proc set. Really Rallying cry is also a proc set that also makes many builds possible. Null arca and other proc sets add to the combo damage.
Of course the biggest proc set crutches are still RoA and VD. They can build 45k health with all defensive l blue CP and still do insane damage in the group with essentially unkillable healing and shields. I am much more concerned about the vastly OP group meta than about a high skilled player outplaying me in a few GCD. After all they earned that skill level by hard work and study of the game. The high skilled players as mentioned could still dominate in Vengeance. However you may have noticed that ball groups vanished in Vengeance because they had no advantage. They all reappeared,like a plague, immediately after Vengeance ended.
It is interesting to compare this to the streams of Vengeance, where the high skill players complained, even when they were winning100 fights in a row. They complained because their own personal skill levels were capped by the limited builds and options.
Often these short TTK builds are due to proc sets. Now Mechanical Acuity would be a good example . They can build with 12% Crit damage because it goes to 100% with the proc set. Really Rallying cry is also a proc set that also makes many builds possible. Null arca and other proc sets add to the combo damage.
Of course the biggest proc set crutches are still RoA and VD. They can build 45k health with all defensive l blue CP and still do insane damage in the group with essentially unkillable healing and shields. I am much more concerned about the vastly OP group meta than about a high skilled player outplaying me in a few GCD. After all they earned that skill level by hard work and study of the game. The high skilled players as mentioned could still dominate in Vengeance. However you may have noticed that ball groups vanished in Vengeance because they had no advantage. They all reappeared,like a plague, immediately after Vengeance ended.
Re: DPS makeup of vKA HM runs on ESOlogs, Updates 43-46
Charles plays builds like that in content. Many good players do. Not everyone needs training wheels. Except for the last 3 trials, they were all completed before Fatecarver was a thing.
I play full rotation melee range LA builds in content and it just means I have to pay attention.
Most ESO trial players don't like to pay attention. They like to chat and meme the entire raid. It's the kind of end game community you get when 99.99% of the game is super ezmode.
If one thinks Fatecarver is necessary, they are probably part of its target audience.
It is true that my analysis includes all players who did vKA HM, including the "lazy" ones. Let's look at a different metric then, using Taleria HM, a known single-target fight: https://esologs.com/zone/rankings/16?boss=54
Update 45, 55 of the 100 top dps were non-arcanists, mainly templars: that's a majority of non-arcanists!
Update 46, there are nine.
Now, I know that the creme-de-la-creme players don't post public logs for whatever reason, but you can't seriously tell me that all the top dps players in the public logs were using arcanist because it was "ez mode".
There is more to do re: prevalence of fatecarver specifically, but I need to see if esologs has an API that would make it easier to get the data to crunch the numbers.
M1SHAAN
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I beg you, lower the BG's Spawn timer to 30 Seconds or less
Please for the love of God, this needs to be tweaked. People spend way too much time camping in the spawn. Everyone is just stuck in that match for too long with nothing happening. If at any point someone wants to troll they can just wait out the timer by hiding in a corner completely untouchable. This not only wastes the time of the enemy team but also the teammates who are lying dead waiting for the next round to start (in Death Match). If spawn killing isn't allowed (rightfully so) then spawn camping to this degree should also be culled as much as possible. 30 seconds tops is more than enough time before you get kicked back down into the arena.
ViggyBoi
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Re: More on the Microsoft lay offs, it's grim.
The gaming industry sounds so exhausting. As a consumer it's hard to get excited about anything in it these days. So much of the game experience gets contaminated and is pulled away from the actual games by feeling a company is gutting itself and creating sloppy content and bad decisions. When I'm playing a game and am constantly thinking about the damaging internal/external workings of a company while I play it, that's not a good thing... And I feel like that's a common experience with many large-scale game companies nowadays.
Malyore
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Re: DPS makeup of vKA HM runs on ESOlogs, Updates 43-46
The main issue as I see it is not that fatecarver is too easy or too strong, but that we no longer have multiple viable options that would/could have competed with Fatecarver for differing skill levels, allowing other classes to make a niche for themselves as additional "in-between" options of full weaving builds and Heavy Attack builds, just to different levels of complexity.
Plar (pre-U35) had old Jabs (closest to fatecarver in the mix of supreme AoE + offense + defense, but was melee so more risky than fatecarver)
Sorcerer (pre-2020) had Crystal Blast (still required good weaving and casting it every GCD with no bonus defensive utility, but provided strong ranged AoE option)
Necro (pre-U41) had stalking blast bones (in between the other 2, since it's once per 3 seconds but required doing other things in between casts)
All 3 of these abilities have been either completely removed from the game (Blast and Stalking) or reworked to not only be worse than before, but also significantly worse than fatecarver (new jabs).
This creates the issue where the top tier players who could likely clear trifecta content with no gear equipped remained unaffected by the loss of these abilities, the players who never engage with end-game content remain largely unaffected outside of losing something they enjoyed using/liked the theme of, but the middle-tier player (which would be 90% of those who want to get into end-game content which is most prog groups and most "social" groups that also do the harder content) were left with only 1 option. Fatecarver, whereas if ZOS had not removed those other abilities, these mid-tier players would have multiple options to choose from to work their way up to becoming an end-game player/progressing into the more complex weaving builds via steps, not just 1 giant leap. i.e. there would have been a clear progression path for these players, starting with Oaken heavy attack builds (most forgiving playstyle), moving onto non-oaken HA builds, then onto fatecarver, then moving onto jabs (more risk due to melee and healing instead of shield), then moving onto necro (or sorc) (much more weaving and no defense utility on the spammable but strong ranged AoE that compares to fatecarver for cleave heavy content), then onto a full complex min-max top DPS weaving build.
These clear stepping stones, if they weren't removed, would have also allowed these mid-tier players the option of still participating in end-game content while remaining at any of these stages of "difficulty" (in-case they hit a wall, or simply don't enjoy harder/more complex rotations) because all of these options were/would have still been viable for the cleave heavy content that is being designed today to account for fatecarvers existence.
TL//DR:
We used to have multiple mid-tier options between HA/Fatecarver builds and weaving builds, but the abilities these builds were built around got removed/adjusted over the years and as such, the mid-tier players, that such changes in this game over the years has driven away in droves, feel as though there's nothing in the game for them, outside of fatecarver (which many may not like for different reasons, such as became bored of the playstyle, don't enjoy the playstyle at all, don't like the theme, etc.).
ZOS needs to look into bringing back some of these old/removed abilities that enabled these solid stepping stone builds that allowed players to progress through to end-game without needing to surmount this giant chasm that exists between HA/fatecarver builds and the complex weaving builds with nothing in-between.
Plar (pre-U35) had old Jabs (closest to fatecarver in the mix of supreme AoE + offense + defense, but was melee so more risky than fatecarver)
Sorcerer (pre-2020) had Crystal Blast (still required good weaving and casting it every GCD with no bonus defensive utility, but provided strong ranged AoE option)
Necro (pre-U41) had stalking blast bones (in between the other 2, since it's once per 3 seconds but required doing other things in between casts)
All 3 of these abilities have been either completely removed from the game (Blast and Stalking) or reworked to not only be worse than before, but also significantly worse than fatecarver (new jabs).
This creates the issue where the top tier players who could likely clear trifecta content with no gear equipped remained unaffected by the loss of these abilities, the players who never engage with end-game content remain largely unaffected outside of losing something they enjoyed using/liked the theme of, but the middle-tier player (which would be 90% of those who want to get into end-game content which is most prog groups and most "social" groups that also do the harder content) were left with only 1 option. Fatecarver, whereas if ZOS had not removed those other abilities, these mid-tier players would have multiple options to choose from to work their way up to becoming an end-game player/progressing into the more complex weaving builds via steps, not just 1 giant leap. i.e. there would have been a clear progression path for these players, starting with Oaken heavy attack builds (most forgiving playstyle), moving onto non-oaken HA builds, then onto fatecarver, then moving onto jabs (more risk due to melee and healing instead of shield), then moving onto necro (or sorc) (much more weaving and no defense utility on the spammable but strong ranged AoE that compares to fatecarver for cleave heavy content), then onto a full complex min-max top DPS weaving build.
These clear stepping stones, if they weren't removed, would have also allowed these mid-tier players the option of still participating in end-game content while remaining at any of these stages of "difficulty" (in-case they hit a wall, or simply don't enjoy harder/more complex rotations) because all of these options were/would have still been viable for the cleave heavy content that is being designed today to account for fatecarvers existence.
TL//DR:
We used to have multiple mid-tier options between HA/Fatecarver builds and weaving builds, but the abilities these builds were built around got removed/adjusted over the years and as such, the mid-tier players, that such changes in this game over the years has driven away in droves, feel as though there's nothing in the game for them, outside of fatecarver (which many may not like for different reasons, such as became bored of the playstyle, don't enjoy the playstyle at all, don't like the theme, etc.).
ZOS needs to look into bringing back some of these old/removed abilities that enabled these solid stepping stone builds that allowed players to progress through to end-game without needing to surmount this giant chasm that exists between HA/fatecarver builds and the complex weaving builds with nothing in-between.
