DrMedBorn wrote: »

Despite of pretty much all people hating it(the loud ones) the campaign is full of people and it's very very fun

Yeah, because we have no choice. There is no other Cyrodiil aside Vengeance. The one time they did test Vengeance parallel to Grey Host, Vengeance was a ghost town.
And with Update 50 Vengeance will also be just the waiting room for the massive Queues on Grey Host, because they deleted 3 campaigns. So it will have huge population, but not because they want to play there, only because they wait for the actual PvP Queue.

Muizer wrote: »

I mean a link to show the original intent for Vengeance was to discover and fix some elusive issue in existing Cyrodiil.

It's pretty obvious right from the start that the intent was to rebuild Cyrodiil PvP in a way that would allow large populations.

We might have hoped they'd gotten a lot closer to what is live right now before performance started to degrade, but evidently that's not the case.

If they conclude that Vengeance is now about as complicated as they can make the game, that just means over the past 10 years what they added to the game vastly exceeded capacity of the infrastructure.

If anyone wants to be angry with ZOS over something, that would be it. Not that they're finally stop promising what they cannot deliver.

My main issue here is that there are a great many things ZOS has been asked to do to make PvP in Cyrodiil a better experience and they did not make a single change.

This is what many people are angry about because the lack of effort makes it seem like ZOS had planned Vengeance from the start and used the excuse of performance monitoring to justify ramming in through.

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

To the OP, one option is to obtain a few more accounts at base game. Especially during sales, they can be pretty cheap. Get up to at least 10. Then start a guild with a bank. To me its worth the investment and takes the bite from not having plus.

So, inventory is hard to manage and the suggestion is to get 10 accounts to manage?

On March 7th in the real world, my wife of 40+ years, soul mate, and best friend, known to Tamriel as @EACo2, passed away. A few of my fellow guild members know, but I've largely kept this to myself. If you should see @EACo2 in the game, know that it is me because I can't let go of the toons she loved to play.

She wasn't a stellar player, and sometimes people in the community played gate keeper on her. Fortunately that was not the general case, but the incidents that did happen made it so she wouldn't participate in many things, particularly dungeons. So, much of her time was just spent doing crafting and occasionally I could get her to join me in content that I could solo, such as City of Ash I.

To the guilds that took her along on trials. Thank you very much. I wish she could have gotten to know you as I have and that you could have gotten to know her better.

To those the helped her along the way, thank you. We started playing ESO when it became available on Stadia. Then COVID came along and confined us to our home. Tamriel became our escape from the confines of the four walls, as I'm sure it was for many of you. Her failing health due to chronic conditions kept her confined at home and Tamriel was her escape.

While she hated doing PVP content, there was one Mayhem where we got riding roughshod with a group across Cyrodiil and she actually had a good time.

To the staff of Bethesda/ZOS, thank you for creating a game where we could once again play roles beyond our daily lives. We met playing D&D, so you can see how your game came to be so big a part of our lives for the last several years.

Best regard,
@Q'warx

shadoza wrote: »

I want to talk about how the Challenge system is impacting standard game play. I do not want to discuss who has a right to play or who plays the right way. I am sure there will be those replies that say: ‘I don’t see it.’ Good for you. For the rest of the players, I would like to hear how the challenge system impacts your game play. I am looking for honest comments not contentious or militant responses.

Can there be a way for the challenges to be enjoyed or completed without impacting standard game play?
What are some of your POLITE suggestions for players who feel that playing feels is more like competing with other players than enjoying a MMORPG style game?
Do you feel like grouping is the only answer to getting something done in the game?
Do you feel like the game is pushing group-play more than allowing a player to play their own way?

To be frank, the "competing with other players" thing doesn't bother me. The challenges are so tedious and dull that the competition on Week 2 was far less than Week 1. Eventually, I imagine that ZOS will have broken most of the playerbase and competition will not be an issue WHATSOEVER.

What bothers me is, well, how tedtious and dull this system is. It's god-awful. It feels straight out of Matt Firor's "we're working on more things to keep players BUSY" playbook. Because that's what these challenges are. They're busywork.

They're not "play however you want and still make progress." They're a list of chores that refresh every week. Kill 100 bosses. Harvest 90 runes (third time I've gotten that one). Harvest 90 lumber (third time again). Do 3 public dungeon event bosses in Wrothgar (third time). Do two arenas (second time). So on and so forth.

I didn't sign up for this game to do chores every week. I signed up to experience more Elder Scrolls, and Elder Scrolls is wandering and adventuring. It's doing quests. It's seeing freaky deaky things and laughing at them. It's basking in oodles of fantasy racism. Engaging in the over 500 HOURS of Elder Scrolls content that ZOS has built over 12 years of development.

... but if I do those things, I make no chore progress. None of my chores revolve around having FUN. None of my chores are tied to doing quests or exploring. If I want to get my chores done, the Elder Scrolls experience has to go by the wayside so that I can do oddly specific tasks designed by Peryite. That's abysmal game design. Shockingly abysmal. I'm almost speechless looking at it. The live service genre is increasingly divorced from any concept of bringing players actual joy.

Chores and an upcoming FOMO public dungeon event with, as far as I know, no group finder functionality. Oi vei.

I'm not going to unsubscribe yet, but I am not recommending this game to anyone in its present state. This is the HANDSHAKE phase of the battlepass system. It's only going to get more mean-spirited and tedious from here. We're still in the onboarding honeymoon phase. Let that sink in.

As for constructive criticism? Eh, no one would listen even if I offered it. These tasks are dull and tedious BY DESIGN. To keep players busy via chores that they literally PAID to do. To keep players so busy that they don't even think of wandering off to another game or service.

Except... players will. Dumping oodles of chores on your husband every week isn't going to stop him from noticing that winking secretary. He'll notice eventually, and then his sentiment towards you will be so beleagured and tortured that you'll have no hope of retaining him. It's a losing strategy. If someone stuck a gun to my head and told me to choose either Elder Scrolls Online or Marvel Rivals, I'd choose Marvel Rivals (after asking if I could substitute in Crimson Desert).

Oh well.

Edit addition: Also, yeah... ZOS oscillates depending on whoever has snagged the leadership baton for the year. Some years they acknowledge that game audiences have gotten older, take into account our more hectic schedules and limited free time, and push for a strong solo experience with optional grouping.

In other years, they doggedly insist that this is an MMO and we should EXPECT to be made to group. "Here's Bastion Nymic. No way to solo it. Better find a group or no progress for you!" "Hey, we're going back to the Craglorn adventure zone concept from 2015 that absolutely DID NOT WORK. If you want to make progress in excursion zones, you'll have to group or it'll be miserable. What's a matter? Don't you have FRIENDS to do stuff with? Better join a guild and make some, scrub! After all, this attitude did wonders for us a decade ago."

Inevitably, they'll lose more people pushing that kind of experience than they'll gain, and the next crab to scamper up to the top of the corporate barrel will shift things back to solo focus until the cycle begins again. It's just the way it goes.

Hoping that they eventually reconsider this decision. The excuse that ZOS used of them being ''unique characters'' or whatever doesn't really work in a multiplayer game where you can see multiple other players with the same Companion with the exact same face, basically a clone.

Allowing Companions to show equipped Helmet Style or Hats would be way less immersion breaking and would end up making them far more ''unique'' than what they currently are.

twisttop138 wrote: »

I guess if you're putting on a timer to farm WBs, it would seem like work. Or feel like you have to get it done as fast as possible. Idk why you'd do that to yourself but not everyone plays the same as I do.

For me challenges is like a chore list at home or at work. I usually want to get it done asap so I can move on and do the stuff I like.

This week I tried a different approach that is more tolerable. Since I work at home I tried to reroll challenges so I have all arena and bosses and duplicates. I put a 5 minute timer on my phone and do my work on my laptop in the meantime. That way I get stuff done within 30 minutes for the whole week and can play the game the way I like in the evening. Still, I hope they change it to be more like "kill 20 bosses/Do 8 dungeons/etc'.

I am not the only doing this because when my timer reaches the 4:50 mark everyone starts spamming AOE attacks to get a hitpoint on the boss.

Faltasë wrote: »

Ruhlf wrote: »

Oof. The glows are not my favorite. They look confusing and kinda make no sense for a werewolf.

“I’m a big scary thing that can pounce out of the shadows and get you - but hold up - let me just glow like goon from the 1990s Batman and Robin.”

This was a surprise I think no one asked for ):

If we can get rid of the glow tattoos - and shrink the gremlin ears - I’d be happier. Those ears… yeesh.

Yeah these glowing effects automatically make using the werewolf a no go for me. These are so ugly.

Indeed. Didn’t ask for them. Don't want them. And don’t care for them.

The effects are basically telling me “don’t use the new features the Devs have added.” And that’s a crazy thing to do for the Dev’s rollout of their new werewolf revamps.

It makes me not want to explore the morphs at all.

Why make yet another cosmetic change that is going to (again) affect how players view their character’s appearance? Especially after so many players were (and still are) unhappy with the new werewolf model?

Edit:
Imagine the upset if this was built into other player character models? You want a certain morph, then your elf gets green tattoos all over their face.

I really hate how the latest werewolf model looks to be honest. It doesn't look like a werewolf to me. It instead looks like Andre the Giant wearing a wolf pelt and sporting a mullet. It doesn't look mean or imposing to me at all. The model looks like it's stretched vertically and It's just really uncanny.

The current model on the live server looks goofy, and this new one looks ugly. It isn't an upgrade imo, it's a side-grade at most. A pointless waste of a designer's time that doesn't actually make werewolf form any cooler or more appealing visually.

For contrast, here's what a Werewolf from a game called Altered Beast on the PS2 looks like:


Look how much cooler and more menacing it looks. Why is it that a werewolf from a 20 year old, D-tier PS2 game that no one knows about and that was made on a shoestring budget looks better than that one we'll be getting. It's really not a good look for the design team at ZOS.

ViggyBoi wrote: »

Honestly? I don't really get the hate, I was ok with the first model though I do admit more fur was and is welcome. The second pass here? I think its really cool. I'm seeing lots of complaints regarding the "mohawk" but I kind of always assumed that those were meant to be canine hackles and I thought they were cool highlighting the whole aggression peaking aspect of the werewolf. The bigger size is too a welcome change. I feel like maybe the images themselves don't really do the best job at selling the new model and I feel like maybe if we see it in game opinions might change. Not saying things are perfect nor ideal but I think this is far from "the wrong direction."

I kinda always assumed the partial fur thing was an intentional and consistent design choice when it came to Elder Scrolls werewolves. Its a visual sell to the fact that you are not in fact a full wolf but a man who spontaneously grew tons of hair across your body. Whether you like that design aspect or not, it does appear in other TES games and even the current live werewolf model, its just more noticeable with this one because of how much more detailed it is.

Real question shouldn't be why the new werewolf model has less fur but why the werewolf behemoths are fully covered if anything.

The fur isn't the only problem, and I'd argue to say it's a pretty low problem. The issue is that it has a friendly, derpy face with short spindly arms, and YES the shoulders are sagging really bad, you can see the difference between it and the old model, who's shoulders are more square.

It also has weird spindy legs with raptor toes and looks like a bird in the leg department, like a chicken.

And the ears are this weird half and half, not wolflike, but not on the side of the head, just giving it a funky bat look instead.

People deserve to be passionate about the model being as best as it can be, because after update 50, we're never getting changes to it again. I know people hold optimism that we're going to have all these different skillstyles and models for everyone's tastes, but let's be realistic: That's not happening. I'd be surprised if we even get more recolors after the primary 3.