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Re: April 20th Vengeance Only..
Whoa 3 digits worth of players, up there with Fortnite and CoD /sQueue last night was 130.
You are a very small minority of PvP players that like vengeance
You haven't logged into Cyrodiil on live for more than a year.
Is the pop cap even 3 digits? Of course Vengeance enjoyers would be a minority of active PvPers, because the target audience for Vengeance is the thousands who quit or who were never able to access PvP to begin with. They're leaving GH up for the 130 that still want it.
I don't log in because forum complaints mean little if you keep playing anyway. When play numbers keep dropping, the devs take notice, like they have in making drastic PvP changes.
I don't think the changes to Cyrodiil were necessarily due to dropping player numbers. The fact that they've done so little for long term players over the years is why we're in this mess to begin with. I think the devs looked at games like CoD and Fortnite and wondered if they could do their own version in ESO and pull in the thinnest slice of that crowd.
I'm just curious though: would you prefer Vengeance or a cleaned up version of Gray Host where a lot of the problems you describe actually get addressed (not necessarily gone but much much less of an issue)?
Re: April 20th Vengeance Only..
Hi ZOS,
Stop doing this, the majority of your PvP base does not want this washed game mode. We don’t want to contribute anything to your “testing” because we are against it. Frankly, it’s a waste of time. With all the good that’s being done recently in the studio this is the remaining outlier of a team clinging to one last bad decision. It feels like we’re just being reminded to stay skeptical of the PvP dev team’s vacuum decision making philosophy.
*edit*
Can we test PvE Vengeance on April 20th too?
Basically, your best option is to participate as early as it goes live, and spam dmg aoes en masse.
If all PvPers and their grannies show up and help testing whether the cap of 6 will or will not melt down the servers, we might be done with that test in a couple of days.
Boycotts are pointless now, Vengeance will go live, so if you want to have GH back faster then help test this change.
Not to mention that this test is perhaps the most important - in a megazerg environment such as Vengeance we need bombing more than ever, and a cap of 3 on dmg aoe is ridiculous beyond belief.
It's not a boycott. I just hate vengeance so I will never again play it. Only a very tiny minority of the PvP player base will ever touch vengeance again now that we know ZOS lied about their intentions with vengeance from the very beginning.
Re: April 20th Vengeance Only..
CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »The current state of PvP is due to constant nerfs, ruining sets, ruining/nerfing our characters, Subclassing and placing what's left of what was once a fun and vibrant PvP comunity above the rest of the entire Eso population. We all talk about how it used to be. Most of the people who do have quit PvP. Some of the new players look at us like we are telling a fairytale when we speak of it. It’s been going on for ten years. We need change. Vengeance is a part of this and there are many looking forward to it.
lol
SneaK
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Re: April 20th Vengeance Only..
Will there ever be a point in time when the vengeance crowd doesn’t scream about toxicity while spreading toxicity?
The request is simple, stop closing GH for Vengeance “tests”. There are many many people who do not wish to be a lab rat anymore.
It's not a test if they have to shut down their main campaign to get enough people to play their new one.
How is Vault still so Non-Functional?
Regarding the Scribing skill "Vault". I've just tried it again for the first time since Gold Road was originally on PTS. How is this skill still so non-functional after so much time has passed?
If the ground is at a slight incline, or if there's a tiny object behind you, the ability barely nudges your character backwards any distance at all.
Which is confusing, as Streak doesn't seem to encounter this problem on similar upward inclines.
I feel like whatever calculation is being done to move the character model backwards needs to increase the the Y axis value of the character model before attempting to shift it backwards on the X or Z axis.
If the ground is at a slight incline, or if there's a tiny object behind you, the ability barely nudges your character backwards any distance at all.
Which is confusing, as Streak doesn't seem to encounter this problem on similar upward inclines.
I feel like whatever calculation is being done to move the character model backwards needs to increase the the Y axis value of the character model before attempting to shift it backwards on the X or Z axis.
Mashille
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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Challenge Difficulty
So, to answer some questions on Challenge Difficulty and instancing combat. This is going to be a little bit technical to hopefully explain the limitations from that perspective.
Everything in the game has a "weight" to it. This includes monsters (very weight heavy), interactable objects (these very but can be weight heavy), etc. Weight is determined by how much information is stored in a given object. I mention this because we have formulas for how much "weight" we can attribute to a given zone or instance of a zone and that is based on the intended player cap. So, for instance, Overland zones generally have no weight restrictions because we expect a lot of players in those zones so the weight attributed to the zone is justified and won't adversely affect the server. It gets much more tricky in situations where we expect reduced players in a given zone. The most restrictive are solo instances or fight spaces. We have a lot of development tools we use to make sure we do not exceed weight capacities in these spaces so it should feel seamless to players.
Each zone is controlled on the backend by something that determines which of our servers will spin up which zones when new copies are needed. In Greymoor, we saw the effects of the zones being spun up were not correctly attributing weight. Trials would spin up on weight heavy controllers which would result in adverse conditions in any zone connected to that controller. Our engineers took great pains to reorganize the code in these controllers to make sure the zones were even and weight was correctly distributed.
I bring this up to highlight the technical aspects of how the game operates from a monster and zone perspective to further illustrate that spinning up new zones based on difficulty without weight concerns and attribution would be extremely detrimental to the entire game. Needing to essentially double all of the available zones in the game without regard to population and weight would mean the entire server would have some pretty major issues regardless of where you would be playing. Even in Delves and Public Dungeons, locations that were not created with these concerns in mind, would potentially be breaking for the server.
We want Challenge Difficulty to be a fun experience for players and, while most of the feedback is regarding the desire for us not to split players from a design standpoint, the technical concerns are most likely bigger than that. This is not said to dismiss feedback but more provide context.
Please DO keep providing feedback. We have some fixes in the works coming for CD. Mainly around the calculations we are making on the backend so that player damage is more in line with expectations but that is not exhaustive and we continue to monitor things. We are taking a look at the Master difficulty in particular as thats where I think most folks will find their groove and we want to make that as smooth as possible.
Everything in the game has a "weight" to it. This includes monsters (very weight heavy), interactable objects (these very but can be weight heavy), etc. Weight is determined by how much information is stored in a given object. I mention this because we have formulas for how much "weight" we can attribute to a given zone or instance of a zone and that is based on the intended player cap. So, for instance, Overland zones generally have no weight restrictions because we expect a lot of players in those zones so the weight attributed to the zone is justified and won't adversely affect the server. It gets much more tricky in situations where we expect reduced players in a given zone. The most restrictive are solo instances or fight spaces. We have a lot of development tools we use to make sure we do not exceed weight capacities in these spaces so it should feel seamless to players.
Each zone is controlled on the backend by something that determines which of our servers will spin up which zones when new copies are needed. In Greymoor, we saw the effects of the zones being spun up were not correctly attributing weight. Trials would spin up on weight heavy controllers which would result in adverse conditions in any zone connected to that controller. Our engineers took great pains to reorganize the code in these controllers to make sure the zones were even and weight was correctly distributed.
I bring this up to highlight the technical aspects of how the game operates from a monster and zone perspective to further illustrate that spinning up new zones based on difficulty without weight concerns and attribution would be extremely detrimental to the entire game. Needing to essentially double all of the available zones in the game without regard to population and weight would mean the entire server would have some pretty major issues regardless of where you would be playing. Even in Delves and Public Dungeons, locations that were not created with these concerns in mind, would potentially be breaking for the server.
We want Challenge Difficulty to be a fun experience for players and, while most of the feedback is regarding the desire for us not to split players from a design standpoint, the technical concerns are most likely bigger than that. This is not said to dismiss feedback but more provide context.
Please DO keep providing feedback. We have some fixes in the works coming for CD. Mainly around the calculations we are making on the backend so that player damage is more in line with expectations but that is not exhaustive and we continue to monitor things. We are taking a look at the Master difficulty in particular as thats where I think most folks will find their groove and we want to make that as smooth as possible.
ZOS_Finn
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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
First off, thank you ZOS so much for improving the werewolf experience! I have been petitioning for this since 1 year after launch. I have to pinch myself that its happening haha. So, thank you!
I recently installed the PTS and immediately checked out the new werewolf features! WOW incredible so far. The audio and visuals alone make it 10x better for me. After soloing three hard dungeons and traveling endlessly on all fours all across Tamerial with NO WEREWOLF TIMER (THANK YOU SO MUCH), i have a couple thoughts.
Visuals: Berserker - I love everything about this model besides the red scars on the arms. little too blood makica feeling and not enough berserker werewolf for me. The height is wonderful! fur texture, wonderful! Eyes, wonderful! (I haven't played pack leader so i won't comment)
Animations: Running - i LOVVE the running animation. A few years back i made a ESO forums post called "Werewolf and Vampire travel Forms". The basic idea of that post was to allow us more RP for werewolf and vampires. removing the werewolf timer out of combat and creating a whole new running animation FITS THE BILL for me. I'm thrilled with that. Running on all fours is ESSENTIAL for me. It wouldn't feel like a werewolf if it didn't sprint on all fours. Details matter, thank you for getting that right.
FEW COMBAT ANIMATION BUGS - I noticed with the "feral Pounce" ability that one of the morphs has no audio and looks a bit clunky. Love the cone idea though. The channeled claw attack morph looks like the werewolves' shoulders are dislocated when striking over and over to me. AMAZING combat skill but i think the animation needs a bit of tuning if at all possible.
The bite skill is by far my favorite! the audio, the feeling of tearing out a chunk of flesh is really there with this skill. 10/10.
Werewolf Sprint Speeds - As I mentioned, running on all fours is ESSENTIAL as a werewolf. you have nailed the animation and audio! I think since we are finally able to traverse the world as a werewolf unencumbered by a timer, maybe increase werewolf sprint speeds to match a mount speed OUT OF COMBAT. Maybe The speed of your werewolf is determined by your actual current mount speed. This would sure allow players to fully immerse and feel like were running at true werewolf speeds.
Audio - MY GOSH the audio. Amazing! the feeding audio is the least impressive to me, but it makes up for it after the wolf is done feeding. He shakes his head and lets out a true beastly grunt. SO satisfying.
One of the werewolves kill cams (savage...something? I can't remember the name) is just a big howl at your target that kills them. I think this might need some work. At the least pick a different audio for the howl. Something more savage. great Idea with those kill cams though. I'm LOVING Them.
Combat - I honestly am Very satisfied with the state of the werewolf combat. plenty of sustain, Heals, bleeds and abilities like the channeled claw attack to utilize other armor sets like deadly ECT. This is the one Area I don't have any notes on. YOU GUYS KILLED IT.
conclusion - As you can probably tell I'm very passionate about werewolves but also about ESO. I have been playing since launch. From the bottom of my heart, THANK YOU! all these changes, refreshes, updates! making the necessary changes to modernize and make ESO relevant to VET and New players. I can tell who ever worked on this werewolf refresh, that they are just as passionate as I am about Werewolves in ESO. Thank you for taking the time to ask your community for feedback and ACTUALLY take it into account. What a TIME to be ALIVE as a werewolf fan. THANK YOU!
I recently installed the PTS and immediately checked out the new werewolf features! WOW incredible so far. The audio and visuals alone make it 10x better for me. After soloing three hard dungeons and traveling endlessly on all fours all across Tamerial with NO WEREWOLF TIMER (THANK YOU SO MUCH), i have a couple thoughts.
Visuals: Berserker - I love everything about this model besides the red scars on the arms. little too blood makica feeling and not enough berserker werewolf for me. The height is wonderful! fur texture, wonderful! Eyes, wonderful! (I haven't played pack leader so i won't comment)
Animations: Running - i LOVVE the running animation. A few years back i made a ESO forums post called "Werewolf and Vampire travel Forms". The basic idea of that post was to allow us more RP for werewolf and vampires. removing the werewolf timer out of combat and creating a whole new running animation FITS THE BILL for me. I'm thrilled with that. Running on all fours is ESSENTIAL for me. It wouldn't feel like a werewolf if it didn't sprint on all fours. Details matter, thank you for getting that right.
FEW COMBAT ANIMATION BUGS - I noticed with the "feral Pounce" ability that one of the morphs has no audio and looks a bit clunky. Love the cone idea though. The channeled claw attack morph looks like the werewolves' shoulders are dislocated when striking over and over to me. AMAZING combat skill but i think the animation needs a bit of tuning if at all possible.
The bite skill is by far my favorite! the audio, the feeling of tearing out a chunk of flesh is really there with this skill. 10/10.
Werewolf Sprint Speeds - As I mentioned, running on all fours is ESSENTIAL as a werewolf. you have nailed the animation and audio! I think since we are finally able to traverse the world as a werewolf unencumbered by a timer, maybe increase werewolf sprint speeds to match a mount speed OUT OF COMBAT. Maybe The speed of your werewolf is determined by your actual current mount speed. This would sure allow players to fully immerse and feel like were running at true werewolf speeds.
Audio - MY GOSH the audio. Amazing! the feeding audio is the least impressive to me, but it makes up for it after the wolf is done feeding. He shakes his head and lets out a true beastly grunt. SO satisfying.
One of the werewolves kill cams (savage...something? I can't remember the name) is just a big howl at your target that kills them. I think this might need some work. At the least pick a different audio for the howl. Something more savage. great Idea with those kill cams though. I'm LOVING Them.
Combat - I honestly am Very satisfied with the state of the werewolf combat. plenty of sustain, Heals, bleeds and abilities like the channeled claw attack to utilize other armor sets like deadly ECT. This is the one Area I don't have any notes on. YOU GUYS KILLED IT.
conclusion - As you can probably tell I'm very passionate about werewolves but also about ESO. I have been playing since launch. From the bottom of my heart, THANK YOU! all these changes, refreshes, updates! making the necessary changes to modernize and make ESO relevant to VET and New players. I can tell who ever worked on this werewolf refresh, that they are just as passionate as I am about Werewolves in ESO. Thank you for taking the time to ask your community for feedback and ACTUALLY take it into account. What a TIME to be ALIVE as a werewolf fan. THANK YOU!
Re: April 20th Vengeance Only..
ToddIngram wrote: »Less than 1 in 5 PvP mains will play vengeance. If you take a poll of PvP mains you'll see this is the case.
Correction: "Less than 1 in 5 PvP forum mains will play vengeance. ". If you sample from forum PvPers, you will get the responses of only forum PvPers, which as should be obvious by now, are not even vaguely representative of the actual PvP or PvE populations. This not only doesn't prove what you want it to prove, but also validates the disconnect further.
ToddIngram wrote: »And we all saw the last "test" when people had a choice between GH and vengeance, GH was pop locked while vengeance had one bar or less.
It's truly wondrous that Vengeance was so terrible it managed to break ESO's rendering, upload the new icon to Zenimax servers, and drop to 0 bars! Or perhaps it was -1 bars?
ToddIngram wrote: »the fact is when people have a choice, vengeance is deserted while GH is pop locked
You would have had a point here if ZOS hadn't spent the last years silently collapsing the population limit as the PvP population dwindled. A third of a jug still holds more water than a full shot glass. Besides, who has the "choice"? Casual gamers have a practically infinite range of activities to do, and Vengeance is only one of them. They can't be faulted for not living in the new game mode simply for it having the virtue of not being an insufferable AP grinder of ballgroups and bombers.
ToddIngram wrote: »this is why ZOS is removing GH as an option this time around in an effort to artificially inflate participation numbers
And yet if PvPers server-wide dislike Vengeance as much as you claim, then they would not go to Vengeance anyway, as you don't, and retire for a week. And if the PvErs dislike or at best tolerate Vengeance, why would deleting GH (which they hate even more) suddenly encourage them to go Vengeance? Those are independent events from a PvEr's perspective. So by your logic, it should be deserted. Then can you explain to me why I was sitting in population queues in the hundreds the last time I queued?
Or of course, if the conclusion is wrong, perhaps we need to look at the assumptions behind it.
ToddIngram wrote: »No amount of hyping by the vocal minority will change that.
Pot, meet kettle.
Re: Lack of communication regarding Eidetic Memory Books bugs
Hey all! We are actively looking at the places where these issues have been reported, and are hitting the fixes as time allows. You'll see the first round in our U50 PTS patch notes.
We are also considering a systemic solve to make it easier for players to access these post-quest, but that tool hasn't been built yet. I would strongly, strongly recommend that when you encounter these issues in-game that you use /bug. This gives us better info on how to track them down/resolve.
First off, thank you for this reply and the work you've done already for this. I greatly appreciate it. I have a thing to point out and a followup question if that's alright.
For the question, will we see more fixes in u50's later weeks or will future fixes be in u51? While a lot of books got fixed for a lot of people, none of my missing books were in this first round unfortunately.
For the heads up for you and your team: there are a few books that have never had a proper sourcing at all. Letter from Aradros and Letter from the Stirk Fellowship have never been found by any of us in game despite years of looking for the former and people looking for the latter since Solstice dropped. Worm Cult Correspondence similarly was only available for people who did not buy the Season of the Worm Cult Pass during their version of the Writhing Wall side quest and anyone who owned the pass had no chance of obtaining it. These three books have been an annoying edge case because they have all been bugged since their release into the game with little to no hope of collecting them.
Thanks again to you and your team for this. We've waited a very long time for this and it makes me very hopeful I can see my 100% lorebook complete for the first time in years.
Emeratis
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Re: Update on the Snowbear Mount Currently on the Crown Store
calitrumanb14_ESO wrote: »I know it's not the first time this sort of this has happened, but I paid 4K Crowns for the Kagouti, and now it's available for a pittance in gold. Not cool.
Things change.
It's no different than pple spending crowns or real money to buy DLC only to have it given away for free later. It's never cool but it happens.