Orbital78 wrote: »

The first night was some of the best Cyrodiil play time in a long time. I took a break yesterday to do some trials and golden persuits. I do wish it were faction locked. I saw a lot of DC playing EP.

It did seem like the cheats were still at it in there. Somehow using werewolf abilities. At least it was less common without the set carries.

It definitely needs more work, I'd like cp enabled maybe. That was the biggest drawback. It was pretty impressive seeing hundreds of players at keeps and not having ping, major desyncs, or skill lag.

This is the average take and I agree with it.. the first night is always super fun.. huge fights..tons of siege battles...no lag...etc...

But do this for 4 nights straight... get zerged down endlessly... feel like you have zero impact in anything... it becomes stale by the end of night two IMO.

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

I popped in rq to see how the Vengeance was Coming along:




And here's how the last Greyhost campaign went:



Despite all the chest pounding and boasting in this thread from the Vengeance fans, it is on day two already a dead campaign. Everyone is seemingly just logging in on their ep toons to take everything, so much that while ep is over 4K points already, everyone else is under 1k. Thats pretty telling. And yes I know it resets early, even with the math incorporating this, this is really really bad, and in fact if it wasnt regularly resetting, the difference would be even greater.

This campaign is actually deader than Ravenwatch and Blackreach, impressive. And Zos decided to halt our very competitive, very active Greyhost pvp, for this. Pvers claim they want Vengeance yet not enough of them are saying this to make the campaign function, much less make it competitive.

Give it a rest Zos, and focus again on Greyhost. This is ridiculous.

Yeah, being on DC is rough. It's just a wall of EP. There are a lot of new names on DC that I haven't ever seen (been DC since Day 1) so I'm assuming they are PvErs coming in.

I've said it alot and will say it again - veng is a great camp as an entry to cyro where trying to put together a build is hard but aside from that it's not what the end game PvP should be.

I truly hope ZoS hops in and reads the zone chat and gets an honest, in real time, look at the feedback... it's not going over positively to say the least.

While I do love the performance aspect of it... thats about the only thing positive I have to say. I wish there could be some middle ground between adding in cp/sets/morphs while reducing pop. I think long time PvPers could compromise with trimmed down sets (pick the top 25 sets or something), reduced complex skills (but have morphs), reduced cps (the perks is a good start), and then lower the pop from 300 to say... 200 per faction or something.

I believed Zos when they announced vengeance during the first live stream and every person on that stream said there is no way this will be the end result, not even close, etc etc etc... and the final version of vengeance appears to be fairly similar to the initial test.... just disappointing.

If it comes down to the Nightmarket effectively not being playable solo, I will not be participating. I have plenty of houses I never use already. There is plenty of content in other games I can play instead. I am sure that is what ZOS wants me to do, go play other games instead of theirs. Their choice, I will be entertained either way.

CalamityCat wrote: »

The DK refresh does make me concerned about warden, given that DKs are now focused on fire and the poison was removed. I have never liked the frost side of warden, so if that becomes the main aesthetic, it's going to break the whole way I play the class. I think there are different options in all classes, and I value all of them. Even the ones I don't use or like. If they all start merging into one it's going to annoy a lot of players.

Remember though, DK never had a skill line called “Heart of Venom.” They didn’t even have poison at release, it was specifically added in U10 to give a Stamina-alternative to flame, but that became unnecessary with Hybridization.

Warden is not likely to lose frost as a damage type since it is literally the name of one of its skill lines. But the other lines also reference plants and animals.

I do expect some unification of damage though. Warden has a lot of bleed in the animal line (but then some inexplicable Magic and Poison), and no damage in the Green Balance line. I expect they’ll try to make all of the animal and plant damage be either Bleed or Poison, possibly with some Frost morphs because Winter’s will be all Frost.

imPDA wrote: »

Mistake of youth. This relatively new game is constantly looking for a new mechanics nobody asked for.

P.S. Hope subclassing can be just wiped off in next updates; it would be the best outcome.

Totally agreed.

The original devs of the game had it right. You could play any role on any class, but specific classes did better for specific jobs, (DK tanks, Templar healers, etc.) Not all classes had access to all buffs from their native toolkits, which meant that they were all needed for trials, to compliment each other.

They understood that limitations are what gave meaning to player choice. Today's devs added hybridization, scribing and subclassing, thinking that by removing all limitations, they would give players more choices. But this had the opposite effect, and now we all play the same 2 or 3 builds, to even be able to keep up with the meta.

I also wish they would reverse these changes, even though I know it's impossible, because it would involve the devs admitting that they have taken their game in the wrong direction for years. And they simply can't do that.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

well, the OP will be glad to know < sarcasm > that the Night Market just went Live

I did not know what all that was going to entail. Suffice it to say - ESO has disappeared. It's an entirely separate game from what it was.

Three Factions, choose one, seems like based on Philosophy and not race this time. Main quests, side quests, boss fights, Competition (PvP ?) etc etc etc

I don't think there really is anything that actually is left that defines ESO anymore, IMHO

I really don't understand the anger that the group content quarter has group content? This time of year was always dungeons. I can understand the people that expected more dungeons and are disappointed it's Night Market instead. I don't understand the people that wanted solo content or questing. This quarter hasn't been solo content for like a decade.

I'm mostly not too happy that it's temporary "experimental" content that puts me on a clock to enjoy it. I hope narratively it doesn't tie into any future stories due to this as well.

The other piece of experimental "temporary" content, the Writhing Wall event, resulted in their being a narrative gap in Solstice's MSQ of all things. Having done Solstice last week, rather than during Writhing Wall, the narrative is now disjointed. The characters immediately reference Writhing Wall, which for newer questers simply did not happen for them and they may have no idea what the characters are talking about. I was really disappointed in this.

Dungeons I just felt were superior; their quests remained permanent as they tied into the story of the year.

I don't really know if Night Market has any narrative meaning or not at all. I'm slowly not understanding what kind of game ESO is at the moment. Before it felt cohesive and now it's chasing random tasks for no apparent reason nonstop. I have no idea if there are any reasons our characters are going to Night Market, whether that is group content or otherwise.

Dungeons, Trials, etc. all had permanent narratives even as group content.