tomofhyrule wrote: »

The problem is that you are thinking about this like a gamer from 2010 who only plays one game.

It’s 2026. The landscape of video gaming has changed significantly.

Gaming is no longer a “for fun” thing, it’s a service. If you have a period where you aren’t offering things to do (and get rewarded to do) then you’re going to lose audience to the other competitors who are.

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Modern gaming in 2026 is all about learning to resist manipulation. And that’s a personal thing. You’re not going to get the big companies to stop, but you will be able to train your brain to resist.

You need to qualify that with "for MMOs." Otherwise I agree with your last paragraph.

However, saying that someone who's complaining is thinking like a gamer from 2010 who only plays one game is ludicrous, and "gaming is no longer a "for fun" thing" is crazy. Again, for MMOs maybe.

I'm torn right now about ESO. There are some things on the horizon that sound like they could be enjoyable, like the sage's vault and favours. I also like story content, but I know the upcoming Sheo and thieves guild content aren't going to take months to do. It'll be hours, maybe a couple of days if we're lucky. I mean, people were able to blow through the chapters in less than a week, and that was a zone, delves, WBs, PDs, etc. I also know that I've been excited before about upcoming content, only to discover that (a) it's a grind, or (b) the rewards are pitiful, or (c) the rewards are there, but you have a 0.00000000000000000000001% chance of them dropping. So something that sounded great turns out to be not so great.

So this is what I'm faced with, and I'm struggling with, and I can see some others are too. We've played the game for a while and with chapters and such, there was a balance of things to do that kept us here. Now, it's going to be 90% doing content we've already been doing for years, and 10% new content. And I'm not sure that's going to be enough. So it's crossed my mind to let ESO go at this point. I'm mainly staying around to see the warden rework and to play the small amount of story content that's coming, but after that, I don't know.

It's not easy to let go of something you've invested in and enjoyed for years. It takes time to let it sink in that what you really enjoyed about the game is over, and from here on out, it'll mainly be grinding and old content. So people are allowed to be upset and disappointed. And it's understandable that people are fighting for what used to be. For me, ESO is more habit than anything, and it can be hard to shake a habit.

In terms of gaming is no longer a fun thing, I have no idea why anyone would spend time playing anything they don't find fun in some way. I seriously don't get it. Having someone say, 'Well, gaming isn't for fun anymore so you just have to suck it up and get on with your chores" boggles my mind. Gaming is supposed to be fun, and there are a ton of games that are absolutely fantastically fun. There is no reason to stay with a game that's not fun. None. Zero. Advising people to just suck it up and do something they don't enjoy is insane. Why would anyone do that, rather than using their time to play or do something enjoyable? It would make more sense to tell them to quit. Maybe that's what you meant, and that's sound advice, because if someone isn't enjoying all the hamster wheels, ESO probably isn't a good fit for them anymore.

Anyone who thinks gaming isn't for fun anymore in 2026 needs to broaden their gaming horizons. I'm having a blast (in other games), and yes, I still have some fun in ESO, but I'm getting bored of the same old areas and the same old activities.

No offense, but anyone coming from WoW and complaining about dungeon speedrunning must not have done many dungeons in WoW. The pace there is tank runs as fast as he can and aggroes everything while everyone else tries to keep up. I run dungeons here every day, and I only run into rampant Speed Racer-types about every third or fourth dungeon. I am sorry that you seem to have it happen more often, but there are tools available to you to avoid it like group finder and guilds. Good luck to you, and welcome to the game. The community here is exponentially better than WoW, so I hope you find your place.

Athory wrote: »

Sugram22 wrote: »

like seriously, why add subclass system if its only useful if u combine grave lord, animal companion and Deadrick summoning (for ultimate pet build)? sins passives work only with pure class with class skills slotted

passives need subclass effects other vise subclassing is useless, currently u loose more with subclassing then gain, its low key scam

Simple.
Subclassing should never have been added to the game, at least not in its current form.

• No one asked for it.
• No one expected it.
• And frankly, it doesn’t make any sense.

Ideally, it should be removed entirely. But since that’s unlikely, I just hope ZOS reworks it to the point where it’s no longer worth using, similar to what happened with Oakensoul. It used to be great; now it’s just.... useless.

Please dont make definitive blanket statements that are inherently false. There are players that requested the ability to take skill lines from other classes. There are even valid arguments that explain why it makes more sense than a class based system.

As for expecting it? Thats up for debate too. Plenty of people were expecting it. For me it wasn't that it was coming that was a surprise, it was the lack of effort to balance the class lines before it went live.

So your three major points are refutes with simple responses.

Also, Oakensoul isnt useless. It still has a use case. Just because its not as OP as before doesn't mean it doesn't have power.

And if thats your definition of useless, well have fun chasing the meta every update.

I was surprised that the Golden Pursuit was only for 7 days and that the list of tasks was so short. In the past, there have been more tasks to choose from so most players could find enough tasks they enjoy (or don't mind so much) to complete it. If the GP duration was longer and there were more tasks to choose from, maybe there wouldn't be so many complaints. Also, the tasks didn't seem suited to the timeframe. You don't need to do the 12 dungeons grouped task, but if you want to because you don't like the other options, you'd need to do 2 dungeons a day. They never had that with endeavors or anything else, and that task is on top of weekly and seasonal challenges.

Anyway, it's interesting that ZOS said they'd heard us and understand that we want ESO to feel less like a list of chores we have to complete, so they're changing that.

Newsflash: Yes, they changed it. It's worse now lol. Tomes, big seasonal challenges, GPs, all at the same time.

Hopefully when season 1 lands with some new story content and other features, the game will feel less like a giant chore list and more like a game.

Yes, it's all optional, but most players like to earn shinies and it can be difficult to ignore this type of stuff in a game short of quitting the game altogether, because you're constantly seeing it in the UI. I mean, if there's something you want on page 10 of a tome, you pretty much have to grind for at least a month, maybe more. What fun!

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Silaf wrote: »

Diden't zos remove golden pursuits and daily endevors to put them in the tome with the intent of removing daily chores and stressing time limits?

I do actually appreciate having tings to do but i also want the freedom to leave the game for 1 week and go to the sea with my family without losing something.

The tome perfectly fit this need since you can open a sachel and recover the missed time but zos reintroduced a daily login objective in the tome and new golden pursuits invalidating the reason why the tome was created in the first place.

I'm on the side of people wanting tings to do but tomes+golden pursuits togheter feel like a strange design choice.

Can't wait to see tome+golden pursuit+event+night market timed zone active at the same time... and why not, let's trow pvp new veterancy mode in the mix too!

No. They removed the daily login rewards and daily endeavors to reduce (not eliminate) FOMO. The tomes allow you to get the same rewards over the course of months on the free track (and for the lifetime of your account on the paid track). So, rather than needing to do everything right away, you can do over the course of a long time period and focus on things you'd enjoy more.

OFC some people are choosing to do it all at once instead. But that's a grind they are creating for themselves and they're actually tackling it in a way that runs counter to the recommended method of completion.

What was a bit funny when they removed daily login but now have a daily tomes reward 🤣

To OP:
Ironically not only is ZOS constantly telling us what to do,
now other players are telling us how to think, do and feel about that as well. 🙄

I agree that one way to handle the situation is to ignore all the stuff you don't want to do, but it's annoying how difficult the game makes it to do that.

I have multiple addons to remove or minimise unwanted notifications and pop-up text and other noise about things I'm not currently doing and even then there's a few steps to go through to clear stuff I don't want to know about so I can focus on actually playing the game. Which is especially frustrating for a game that was originally advertised as having a minimalist UI and "play the way you want" approach.

It also doesn't feel great when the choice offered is "you either do this now, on our schedule, or you don't do it at all". Yes players can make that choice, but it's very different to the system we had up until recently when the majority of things could be played on your own schedule and it was only occasional events which were time-limited.

You can learn to ignore it, you can accept you're going to miss out and that's ok, you can clear out the clutter and shut off the noise and learn to focus on what you're doing, but those are the kind of choices you make for something you have to get done, not something you're choosing (and paying) to do for fun.

decaffeinated wrote: »

Preface: I need to get this off my chest. Please don't tell me how to play,

As if killing 1000 enemies plus 100 bosses wasn't enough to keep up with, now there's a short term Golden Pursuit. No, neither of those things fit in MY normal play schedule.

Can we have some down time? When I can choose what **I** want to do?

Can we just have some time with only 1 thing? Not constant new quests. new zones. etc? (while older zones remain bugged)

I am so burnt out on the game already, please ZOS, just let us PLAY sometimes!

I know it's not exactly what you're saying, but I do agree with the sentiment. Personally I think having only weekly challenges with large numbers that require me to manage chunking them out with no rewards until the end of the process, combined with the fact that the Tomes seem to have even less items available that align with most natural gameplay, make them feel more demanding and time consuming than than the previous daily challenges. I too have most of my play time dedicated to a single type of activity (though it is different than yours) and have found that the old daily challenges of "drink two drinks" or "gather six logs" feel way more accessible on most days of play.

It doesn't matter if it's spread out over three months if the activities still require going more out of your way than the other free rewards systems did. I've been on vacation for a week and the week before I wasn't able to play and I have no idea how much that's going to impact my ability to get enough Tome Points when I don't play a lot as it is.

If the short term golden pursuit has a unique reward that's likely never to return, I find that equally annoying as I can't log in right now.

I much prefer content that does not disappear so I can just work through it when I have time, whether that's weeks or months from now. It's why I have always been a subscriber.

So... I hear you.

I can't actually speak for the OP but I would say, for myself, it's not an issue of others getting rewards when I can't play so much as not being able to go get them later when I can play. I hate time bound stuff. Surprise XP events and quick pursuits that just reward currency are awesome... but one-time time bound content with unique collectibles.... not so much. It's no fun to see people running around with something cool and instead of knowing that you can go for the achievement or grab it when it comes around again, you look up the item and find you may have missed it forever. I'm STILL bitter that I missed claiming the free house during one of the effects because I hadn't realized ZOS switched from mail delivery to Crown Store claiming.

I'm all for fixing problems, but you are going to have a revolt on your hands if they shut the servers down for 1 week (not even going to touch the 2 week offer). And I will lead that revolt.

Forced grouping for activities such as this, optional or otherwise, isn't player friendly when the vast majority of the game is catered to a single player experience.