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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
You aren't making sense. If you want to appeal to authority in a given field you appeal to the best in that field, not the jack of all trades, which is... idk like half the players ITT are "good" at both dueling and open world, including me and you.
Why would I appeal to a duelist when my main focus is balance in both Cyro and dueling? Duelists run the most cancerous builds possible that only work in duels. Openworld players run too much defense and don't provide accurate values either. Pelican, React, and Alchemist are some of the best in that "jack of all trades" field, where you build just enough survivability to 1vX but still have enough damage to compete with most builds in a 1v1 setting. If I wanted the best dueling build I would go to Shoyru. When I want opinion on 1vX builds that can still 1v1, I go to the players mentioned above.My turn. I name drop @Decimus. He's right over there, why you still talking to me?
Decimus proclaims himself as "the best theorycrafter in the game". Do you know how absurd that statement is lol? Credibility is given through people's perception of you, not your own self-proclamation. I've often been called "Best Stamsorc PC NA" by many people but I still haven't taken that title myself either because I know a few stamsorcs who are either just as experienced or even better. When you call yourself the best you open yourself up to being memed at.
I've never said that? If that's what other people say it's not something I can control - sorry if it bothers you and your friends.
I will claim things like dueling tournament wins, win rate/KDR records etc that are verifiable though, because I take great pride in my accomplishments and wish the game had more competition in that sense and more things to compete over, like ranked leaderboards/arenas etc. I don't think I'm alone in that sentiment.
I hope you also understand the irony of you making this statement after all the elitism on this thread - in the end it's just what you/your friends think of each other, not something backed up by anything competitive.
Decimus
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Re: Wisteria's motivation? (Tanlorin's questline, text includes spoilers)
I don't hate Tanlorin, actually, but the character's infantile writing does grate me at times. I think it's implied that Tanlorin isn't actually at the level of a five-year-old, but only ironically pretends to be like some Gen Z or millennial of our days who fears nothing more than to appear "boring", that is, adult and serious. The character is a symptom of the postmodern fear of seriousness. Even their voice and acting is otherwise good, but for some reason the accent has to be the lazy, annoyingly loose drawl of a modern-day US hipster. Tanlorin is a wasted opportunity.
I'm a millenial. When I was a teen, most of my classmates rather tried to appear more adult than they actually were, because they wanted to be taken seriously and seen as responsible, capable and intelligent by adults (which meant, simply, people trusting you more, and therefore more freedom). No one would have infantilized themselves by choice. It would have been perceived as very, very embarrassing. And as young adults? They were living their lives, studying, some started a business, many were in a relationship. Put short: They succeeded on their path into life. Babbling like a preschooler would have brought them nowhere, neither in academics, job matters nor in personal relationships. It's really a mystery to me how that weird baby talk would appeal to anyone. I don't live in North America, though, so maybe in my culture, things are different. I often wonder if something feels "weird" to me in ESO's writing, that specific plot, or reasoning, or the values depicted there, might just not really work for cultures outside the US (or North America, or the West, or whatever it might be).
Toddler talk aside, parts of Tanlorin's design also come across as annoyingly pseudo-rebellious to me. We also had them here back then: Kids trying very hard to be "special" (while not actually being special). Most often teen girls, and most often those who were horrendousbly boring and had no real talents they could impress anyone with. So, while others got their peer recognition by being able to play guitar, or paint, or being good at sports, or having some interesting hobbies or impressing knowledge, they went all "Look at me! I'm so special! I'm a rebel! I'm not like the others!" They didn't notice no one found that cool. But of course, in Tanlorin's case, everyone applauds and Tanlorin is super capable of everything, and lives that "fulfilled" life with lots of alcohol, parties and sex (which would also be seen as very immature life goals in my culture, by the way), and of course, is also a cool spy and fighting for the correct things which are currently frequent media topics, because it's a silly Mary Sue stereotype/fantasy. Makes me wonder if this writing was an attempt to appeal to a certain young audience, basically providing them with a power fantasy character of what they'd rather be than a boring kid, not understanding that many don't find that cool, but cringe (unless boring pseudo-rebels themselves, probably, but I'm not sure if many of them actually play ESO).
In fact, I'd like to see a High Elf companion like Wisteria much rather than what we got. Someone competent, intelligent, driven and disciplined. In sum, a character that would embody more traditional Altmer virtues even if his/her story would test and question the value of those virtues. I'd enjoy that. Of course, it would be a bonus if the said companion also would be a pretty lady like W...
My preference would be a male Altmer scholar, but, yes, Wisteria would also have been more interesting than Tanlorin. It's truly a pity that it often feels like companions were designed exactly to not be a typical member of their culture. TES has such a rich lore background for all its fictional cultures, so many interesting characters and stories could be written about exactly that, telling us more about cultural values and differences in upbringing in different regions of Tamriel, through showing us people who grew up in these cultures, and how that might have influenced them.
Syldras
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Re: The Silence On Antiquity Leads Is Defeaning!
I agree. The antiquities RNG is the one thing that sometimes makes me want to just quit the game and do something more enjoyable and satisfying with my gaming time, i.e. play something else.
During the anniversary event, and because of the 1000 kill challenge, I tried to get a lead from a Hew's Bane WB. I killed that boss over and over and over and over and over and over and over... and no lead. And it's not one I can kill solo, so I've probably lost my opportunity to get it for a while.
There are times a lead will drop for me on the first try or quickly, for sure. But too often, especially with activities that are more difficult, there are leads that just won't drop for me. Yeah, we can buy them, but do you want me to spend time in game, or not? And how long do I have to wait for that lead to appear in the pathetic two vendors we have that only accept PvP and IA currency?
Anyway, we're probably shouting into the wind here.
During the anniversary event, and because of the 1000 kill challenge, I tried to get a lead from a Hew's Bane WB. I killed that boss over and over and over and over and over and over and over... and no lead. And it's not one I can kill solo, so I've probably lost my opportunity to get it for a while.
There are times a lead will drop for me on the first try or quickly, for sure. But too often, especially with activities that are more difficult, there are leads that just won't drop for me. Yeah, we can buy them, but do you want me to spend time in game, or not? And how long do I have to wait for that lead to appear in the pathetic two vendors we have that only accept PvP and IA currency?
Anyway, we're probably shouting into the wind here.
AzuraFan
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Vampirism (NPCs and appearance)
I have both werewolf and vamp toons in games, and I've seen the amazing changes for Werewolf, so just hoping to see some of that love for vamps.
I would love to offer some suggestions for the 'rework' (not using that other word, nope) of the Vampirism skills.
A lot of these are probably already on the list, but it doesn't hurt to put them all in one spot 'just in case'.
Appearance:
Can we PLEASE address the issue of having a skin or 'skill style' to hide vampirism? It's just silly that this is not something we can do in an era where we have multiple skill styles for even the silliest of skills. Let us design our toons the way we want. Not everyone wants to hide behind a polymorph, heavy armor, or a very limited number of skins.
I nearly cried when my new fancy crown crate hairstyle was ash gray and not the pitch black hair that was pictured.
NPCs:
Also, please address the issue with NPC merchants not talking to stage 4 vamps.
NPC merchants can somehow tell we are a vamp, when the guards we stroll by can't?
NPC merchants who are so afraid of us, choose to anger us, instead of serving us so we can leave them alone?
Please either disable this 'feature', or give us a setting to turn this option off. Not everyone has the time to slot a mesmerize skill on their bar just to use a merchant.
Honestly, It's hard enough keeping track of armory builds (which still have a per toon cost and are not global), without having to worry about which skill I removed to slot mesmerize, so I could fix my gear.
Bleed:
Please add bleed damage to the vampire skill lines. So many of the skills reference blood in their name, but we can't make an actual bleed based build because none actually do bleed damage.
Honestly, I can't wait to see what you all pull off. Just hoping some of the above issues are addressed in the process.
I would love to offer some suggestions for the 'rework' (not using that other word, nope) of the Vampirism skills.
A lot of these are probably already on the list, but it doesn't hurt to put them all in one spot 'just in case'.
Appearance:
Can we PLEASE address the issue of having a skin or 'skill style' to hide vampirism? It's just silly that this is not something we can do in an era where we have multiple skill styles for even the silliest of skills. Let us design our toons the way we want. Not everyone wants to hide behind a polymorph, heavy armor, or a very limited number of skins.
I nearly cried when my new fancy crown crate hairstyle was ash gray and not the pitch black hair that was pictured.
NPCs:
Also, please address the issue with NPC merchants not talking to stage 4 vamps.
NPC merchants can somehow tell we are a vamp, when the guards we stroll by can't?
NPC merchants who are so afraid of us, choose to anger us, instead of serving us so we can leave them alone?
Please either disable this 'feature', or give us a setting to turn this option off. Not everyone has the time to slot a mesmerize skill on their bar just to use a merchant.
Honestly, It's hard enough keeping track of armory builds (which still have a per toon cost and are not global), without having to worry about which skill I removed to slot mesmerize, so I could fix my gear.
Bleed:
Please add bleed damage to the vampire skill lines. So many of the skills reference blood in their name, but we can't make an actual bleed based build because none actually do bleed damage.
Honestly, I can't wait to see what you all pull off. Just hoping some of the above issues are addressed in the process.
onyxorb
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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
I've never said that? If that's what other people say it's not something I can control - sorry if it bothers you and your friends.
But this is what you said in another thread:
Did you mean "top theorycrafter" as in one of the best or "the best"? Because I understood it as you claiming yourself to be the best theorycrafter.
Shame you didn't screenshot the context to this deleted forum exchange, because I believe it was a tongue in cheek response to a similarily ridiculous statement, just with the "by results" added in since none of you can ever type that.
I hope you also understand the irony of you making this statement after all the elitism on this thread - in the end it's just what you/your friends think of each other, not something backed up by anything competitive.
React, Alchemist, and Pelican have all participated in dueling tournaments on PC NA in the past and individually won a few tourneys. I have also won a 40 million gold tournament in 2021 on my stamsorc vs a stacked pool of competitors when I still did tourneys.
I'm not going to address people not part of this conversation, but you're telling me you've won one tournament... 5 years ago. On NA. Ok, congrats.
Also, what elitism? I've never called anyone bad in the thread lol. I've simply stated 2 things that are objectively valid:
1) Most people are not good enough to play WW to its fullest potential.
Are you? Have you actually played werewolf? Or the people you keep referencing? I played one half the PvP event in January/February, it's actually one of the most difficult playstyles to pull off on Live.
2) Are people qualified enough to provide an unbiased opinion on combat balance?
Are you? You've won one tournament in 2021 and other than that it's just a bunch of friends calling you "the best stamina sorcerer" or whatever.
When it comes to combat balance, you can't just take an opinion of a seasoned PvPer with deep understanding of the game and weigh it the same as someone who barely does PvP or doesn't have that kind of knowledge or mechanics. None of these are elitist by nature, they're just common sense. I don't comment on PvE threads because I'm not a good PvEr. If some guy says Sorc should be nerfed in PvE because it's doing 200k+ DPS and has the evidence to prove it, I'm not going to disagree with him just because I can't personally do 200k DPS.
The problem is that most of the "seasoned PvPers" only play whatever is the strongest build at that moment and have a strong interest in maintaining status quo or seeing other builds and playstyles weakened/unbuffed. Having limited experience playing other builds also means you lack critical insight on how those other playstyles and builds function, where their strengths and weaknesses lie and so on.
People who won a tournament half a decade ago farming squishies in Cyrodiil and telling each other they're the best players ever and everyone else is bad or clueless is precisely the elitism I'm referring to.
Decimus
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Re: What class is the most in need of attention, bug fixes, and buffs right now?
1) See if the community agrees.tomofhyrule wrote: »What is the point of this poll?
2) Please provide sources where devs talk specifically to necromancer mains about the order of the reworks, because I have not seen or heard it. The last time we were talked to directly was a year ago, after they pushed class breaking bugs to live despite us repeatedly telling them not to for EVERY WEEK of the PTS, and then they said they would continue to communicate, but again, its been radio silence for a year (source: surprise surprise blastbones and animate blastbones ulti are unusable in pvp now.
3) Draw attention to the lastest PTS where we were advertised this:
but we are getting this:
4) 2 years is a long time to wait for anything of quality to be given to the only class I play. Just because of poor management of resources and Microslop's pursuit of AI garbage, I'm expected to just sit on the sidelines and wait for another 2 years (mind you we've received near nothing except nerf after nerf, bug after bug, since Necromancer's release in 2019, SEVEN YEARS AGO).
So that's the purpose of the poll, to make a very obvious point, SO AT THE VERY LEAST WE, SPECIFICALLY THE NECROMANCERS, GET SOME KIND OF COMMUNICATION FROM THE DEVS THAT THEY HAVE A PLAN AND THERE'S A GOOD REASON TO FORCING US TO WAIT A TOTAL 9 YEARS TO GET QUALITY CHANGES TO THE NECROMANCER. :-)
Re: What class is the most in need of attention, bug fixes, and buffs right now?
Lol seems pretty clear result
Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
I've never said that? If that's what other people say it's not something I can control - sorry if it bothers you and your friends.
But this is what you said in another thread:
Did you mean "top theorycrafter" as in one of the best or "the best"? Because I understood it as you claiming yourself to be the best theorycrafter.I will claim things like dueling tournament wins, win rate/KDR records etc that are verifiable though, because I take great pride in my accomplishments and wish the game had more competition in that sense and more things to compete over, like ranked leaderboards/arenas etc. I don't think I'm alone in that sentiment.
AgreedI hope you also understand the irony of you making this statement after all the elitism on this thread - in the end it's just what you/your friends think of each other, not something backed up by anything competitive.
React, Alchemist, and Pelican have all participated in dueling tournaments on PC NA in the past and individually won a few tourneys. I have also won a 40 million gold tournament in 2021 on my stamsorc vs a stacked pool of competitors when I still did tourneys.
Also, what elitism? I've never called anyone bad in the thread lol. I've simply stated 2 things that are objectively valid:
1) Most people are not good enough to play WW to its fullest potential
2) Are people qualified enough to provide an unbiased opinion on combat balance?
None of these are elitist by nature. I don't comment on PvE threads because I'm not a good PvEr. If some guy says Sorc should be nerfed in PvE because it's doing 200k+ DPS and has the evidence to prove it, I'm not going to disagree with him just because I can't personally do 200k DPS.
All you have is testimony though
. This is the problem anyone that disagrees with you has. You are not able to provide anything meaningful- if I wanted to ‘prove my point’ I can go to PTS with my buddy, tell him to wear the squishiest gear possible on a 70k health build (or some shnap), and sit there while I have Relequen, etc. and pull a parse in a 1v1.You are not qualified because we neither voted you in to represent us nor did you win in anything ZOS-related (ZOS tourney, etc.). Your opinion is as valid as anyone elses- especially those that provide testimony or omit information while passing a parse off as evidence.
Wuuffyy
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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
Alright this is getting silly. Why are y’all summoning people like it’s a yugioh battle?
I’m just going to wait for official responses/changes at this point. It’s hard to take this argument seriously!
Another piece of feedback while I’m here; move the extra speed from rampage into the passive (while also increasing the speed cap for werebeasts), then replace it with a snare immunity. Werewolves being terrible against bad terrain doesn’t make much sense to me, you see.
I’m just going to wait for official responses/changes at this point. It’s hard to take this argument seriously!
Another piece of feedback while I’m here; move the extra speed from rampage into the passive (while also increasing the speed cap for werebeasts), then replace it with a snare immunity. Werewolves being terrible against bad terrain doesn’t make much sense to me, you see.
Ataskir
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Re: Werewolf ultimate use
I guess, at a foundational level... what problem is the ultimate cost mechanic trying to solve?
It seems like a solution in search of a problem, TBH.
It obviously is intended for WWs to be able to sustain the form indefinitely. So why don't we just allow them to... do that... without having to jump through all of these artificial hoops?
It seems like a solution in search of a problem, TBH.
It obviously is intended for WWs to be able to sustain the form indefinitely. So why don't we just allow them to... do that... without having to jump through all of these artificial hoops?
