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Re: The critter massacre in the challenge zones
twisttop138 wrote: »Maybe it would be better if no one judged anyone else for their take on this task. I killed anything that moved, but if that's something you don't like, more power to you. I think @AScarlato is 100% right. If you don't like it, it's totally ok to skip it.
If you consider carefully, I never blamed those who go killing critters in those areas. Everyone is free to play as they see fit. However, I strongly advised ZOS NOT to ENCOURAGE mass killings of innocent critters with events, quests, or challenges like these.
This was the purpose of my post.
Just to clarify.
Re: The critter massacre in the challenge zones
Dogs and cats aren't killable because ESO is based in the United States, where those animals are pets and NOT game or livestock animals. But all the animals you CAN kill? They are actually hunted irl (the ones that exist irl anyway) for food and other things, or are livestock animals that are raised as food or for leather, milk, and so on. Pigs, goats, squirrels, rabbits, elk, deer, etc are all animals that get hunted or raised as livestock.
You say, "Cats and dogs are pets, so it's only right that they're unkillable." But in this game, you can kill people... what's the logic?
Actually, there's no logic.
I'm not shocked by killing people; in fact, I do it often with my nightblade.
It's an action that requires a certain skill, so it makes sense in a game.
I kill mudcrabs because they give me chitin, but these are animals that have a health line on their heads and, even if weak, they defend themselves in a certain way and attack if attacked.
But killing animals with 1 hp, which mostly don't give anything I already have tons of in my infinite bag, just for the fun of watching them moan and blow up... disgusts me. And I'm annoyed that ZOS encourages it.
In fact, ZOS should provide a toggle so that anyone who wants to can avoid inadvertently killing them, as well as a "prevent attacking innocents" feature.
This game has repeatedly demonstrated its consideration for the rights of minorities.
I am part of a minority, of which I am proud.
The minority of those who have total respect for animals and don't even eat them, obviously.
I regret that the sensibilities of this minority are not protected by ZOS like other minorities worthy of equal respect.
Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Thieves Guild Questline
First thing I noticed is that the Lion Guard character you talk to during the first quest (who is a Captain) and well just about every base Lion Guard NPC while they were updated to Ancestral Breton they don't use their own actual Lion Guard style. While this style is called "Lion Guard Captain" it could really be used by every Lion Guard npc and just taking the helmet off important NPCs or officers.
Sorta want to avoid the issue I noticed with the "Nibenese Noble's Shawled Robe" where that costume is never actually used by anyone in Cyrodiil (Blackwood, West Weald and the Gold Coast) and hope that the Lion Guard will actually use their style. Ancestral Breton is fine for other factions it's just the Lion Guard does actually have a style now to use as a uniform.
Sorta want to avoid the issue I noticed with the "Nibenese Noble's Shawled Robe" where that costume is never actually used by anyone in Cyrodiil (Blackwood, West Weald and the Gold Coast) and hope that the Lion Guard will actually use their style. Ancestral Breton is fine for other factions it's just the Lion Guard does actually have a style now to use as a uniform.
Re: The critter massacre in the challenge zones
That whole "people with functioning empathy" line is a hell of a statement, because it implies people who kill non-living things in a game somehow lack it. I'm one of the most empathatic people I know, I cry super easily when others are upset or during sad scenes in games or movies. I abhor real-world violence and it gets me REALLY mad when I hear about things like animals or people being abused or killed. But there is a big difference between getting emotionally attached to characters and getting emotionally attached to Random NPC Animal #5,301.BretonMage wrote: »I'm going to assume this is a joke post/satire or something, but in case it isn't...I hate to say this, but it's a game. If you don't want to kill animals you don't have to, but let's not try to impose real-world morals on a video game or claim that 'killing' pixels on a screen is 'slaughter'. Also you already seem to know that mobs in Delves/Dungeons not counting is a bug, so the whole "is this fair" thing is kind of a moot point anyway.
If we feel our sensibilities stung by senseless slaughter, it's because it's natural for people with functioning empathy to feel for the suffering of others, and often even when we know the others aren't real. I mean, if games are "just games", what's the point of feeling moved by the characters of Baldur's Gate or Expedition 33? Or, for that matter, Romeo and Juliet?
Not saying I'd actually condemn the players who kill innocents in the game, but it's not pleasant to see either.
I'm not going to dictate how you play your game, and honestly, if I want to feel emotions like pity or compassion for those in a fictional fantasy universe created to seem life-like, then I think I have that freedom to do so. That's one of the great things about games, you have a choice to relate to it in the way you want. So just as you can choose to treat these animals as mere pixels, so too can I choose to see Tamriel as a living, breathing world.
Re: The critter massacre in the challenge zones
Rishikesa108 wrote: »1,000 kills for the seasonal challenge in three designated areas. In dungeons/delves, mobs don't count, but in the overland, all you need to do is kill a harmless little animal with a light attack (they have 1 hp) to boost your score.
Does that seem fair to you?
I obviously refrain from this senseless hunt for squirrels, deer, or the cute little Nixads, but I'm outraged by the obscene spectacle of thousands of players mercilessly crushing everything that moves. It disgusts me.
But what was the need for that?
This game often stands out for protecting certain minorities, and I'm pleased. Why not protect the sensibilities of those who oppose the killing of innocent little animals?
What demonstration of skill or strength is firing a light attack at a hare or a heron?
I hope ZOS reconsiders, and along with the promised fix to the zone dungeons/delves, that ZOS does not continue to encourage this needless slaughter.
On the other hand i'm kind of disappointed by the absence of satisfactory blood splatter. I'm enjoying the penguins little squeeks and the fact they run away but the gore element leve a lot to be desired.
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Use the macabre vintage set.
Malyore
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Re: The critter massacre in the challenge zones
"It's just a game" someone says.
Of course.
But... why cats and dogs are unkillable in the game... is it not a game for those kind of animals?
You do not find any child in the game... why???
So please, don't say things that contradict the evidence, please.
Of course.
But... why cats and dogs are unkillable in the game... is it not a game for those kind of animals?
You do not find any child in the game... why???
So please, don't say things that contradict the evidence, please.
Re: The critter massacre in the challenge zones
If you want to say it’s just pixels in game well you’re just a collection of atoms, go figure.
Do we really need to discuss the difference between real, sentient living and breathing beings and fictional non-sentient non-living creatures now?
Also, @Malyore, again a wonderful post of you that I can fully agree with!
Syldras
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Re: I Owe You All an Apology....
twisttop138 wrote: »i still am confused what changes to Oakensoul you are referring to and why you are apologising
It's a callback to a previous discussion we had with the Op about oakensoul and 1 bar builds, their combat effectiveness in veteran and hard mode content and why some like and dislike. The op has realized that what he thought might be a bit untrue and was sending a mea maxima culpa to those he argued with. The conversation got contentious at times and I applaud the op for being able to stand up and say they were mistaken.
He may have been mistaken, but now he's gone so far the other way and is calling an item useless when it has some uses. Just not the ones he thought.
OsUfi
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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Why do you need the markings anyway? why do others need to know what Morph your using? you don't have any indication of what skills lines subclasses players are using.
I wondered this myself. Why is it necessary for PvP to ruin the visual look of the werewolves with big glowing marks, when no other build has dead giveaways like that?
If I'm a werewolf hunting in the woods, it's going to be pretty hard to hunt and stalk my prey if I'm a glowstick. Kind of ruins a lot of RP.
If nothing else, why not just leave the marks enabled when PvP is enabled but turn them off otherwise?
Re: U50 Feedback Thread for New Item Sets
The decision to nerf the most popular Crit Resistance sets without touching Crit Damage is a truly bizarre choice.
The playing field was already tilted wildly in favor of Crit Damage and you have now made the situation even worse. Which is the precise opposite of what most PvP folk have been asking for over the last many patch cycles.
Also, ZOS: where is the Crit Resistance Mundus? Why is Sturdy Horn still unusable and costing a crazily high 250 ult? Can we please un-nerf Impen as a trait? How about Major Enervation as a debuff? Please toss folk a bone to combat the Crit Damage inflation we have experienced over the last several years.
The playing field was already tilted wildly in favor of Crit Damage and you have now made the situation even worse. Which is the precise opposite of what most PvP folk have been asking for over the last many patch cycles.
Also, ZOS: where is the Crit Resistance Mundus? Why is Sturdy Horn still unusable and costing a crazily high 250 ult? Can we please un-nerf Impen as a trait? How about Major Enervation as a debuff? Please toss folk a bone to combat the Crit Damage inflation we have experienced over the last several years.
