LalMirchi wrote: »

In spite of my misgivings I did my civic duty and tested the first iteration of Vengeance for the duration.

I am probably being triggered here, apologies, but serious or not from you, there are people here who actually feel this way.

We are customers, consumers. There is no civic duty, any obligation or expectation to help Zos develop their content. We can choose to help, because we love this game, and many do. Both with tests in the past like the no proc test, or the pts.

If you choose to aid them with Vengeance so be it, that's your right. But I really want people here to understand this. Vengeance wasn't a choice. There was only one test, prior to this one where Greyhost was included with Vengeance, and it was the second week of the tests. Beyond that they've been taking away Greyhost entirely for people to aid, whether you wish to participate or not. At least in the case of the no proc test you still had sets to choose from and it was like the base game we were used to for years.

This Vengeance mode however is so different it may as well be a different game, and not an mmo either. That isn't what I've opted into for over a decade. There is no expectation on me to aid Zos, there is however an expectation on Zos to serve up what the customers have been asking for, and its not Vengeance, its a more playable Greyhost. We've been putting up with the lackluster performance this long, we can wait longer.

I'm aware that the final iteration will be Vengeance and Greyhost but they made it clear the former is going to be receiving their time and attention despite the clear lack of interest from even the pvers and casual players its targeted towards.

If people here are confused as to why the pvp guilds aren't aiding the tests, this is why. It is not the product we want, nor is it the product we've been promised. So of course, we won't touch it. That isn't a boycott, that is choice, which is what the game philosophy was focused on.

And if Vengeance is here to stay, then so be it but Greyhost needs to remain in your focus as well, and primarily* not pushed aside for an audience you want to swell its ranks that can't even populate it for two days.

Maitsukas wrote: »

I assume it's somewhat preparing you to experience teamwork with other players once Night Market starts next week.

Well, the "teamwork" I experienced today was being grouped with a friend - while he wasn't even online the whole time - , just for my character to have "grouped" status, so whatever I was doing alone counted for the golden pursuit.

I thought the Night Market was supposed to be an attempt at having more difficult content, which needs several players present for completion, without needing to group? Basically like the Writhing Fortress last year?

Munkfist wrote: »

Personally, I hope it stays the way it is, but I understand not so many people may enjoy the slow grind and prefer instant gratification.

Please don't. How "slow" does the grind need to not be considered "instant gratification" Gold Road came out almost two years ago. I grinded those dailies like it was my paying job and only got the third music box lead about 4 months ago. I still only have 1/3 leads for any of the Colovian tapestries. I'm glad you find it enjoyable but let's not minimize the frustration of garbage drop rates and nested RNG by saying people want instant gratification.

There are four major pain points associated with Antiquity Furnishings where the leads come from zone Treasure Chest Maps:

1. Leads are locked behind rare maps, which have a low drop rate, effectively double-locking such leads through "RNG nesting."
2. Poor chance of getting desired leads due to low drop rates, artificial throttling of second and third leads, increased rarity for purple and gold leads, and a large pool of potential leads from the same source.
3. Codex hurdle for buying additional Antiquities from the Achievement Vendor (when this hurdle does not exist for recreating Mythic gear)
4. Antiquities that cannot be purchased from an Achievement Vendor, even when the requisite codex is complete.

Subsequently, we suggest the following remedies:

1. Improve the drop-rate for rare maps from Unopened Maps, preferably by making the zone where maps are opened by a player the location for the map received.
2. Increase the drop rate for Antiquity furnishing leads and remove the artificial throttling of leads for the second and third lead to drop.
3. Eliminate the need for Codex completion and allow Antiquity furnishings to be purchased after the first successful acquisition of any Antiquity furnishing.
4. Add the green and blue quality Antiquities to the Achievement vendors for the zones where they can be excavated (i.e. West Weald, Solstice, Telvanni Peninsula and Apocrypha).

Greyhost is intended for end game players, everyone there participating should be "hardcore" by the definition of the rest of the community, same as vet trial pvers, and especially the hardcore mode enjoyers.

No one's telling them they're too sweaty and need to have their content lose focus for everyone else to enjoy their content on easier casual modes for the same rewards, or worse, more rewards than what they're doing despite it being harder.

I really, really loathe this focus on calling greyhost enjoyers who dont want vengeance "tryheard sweats". Lol that has a lot of mileage apparently and is a very, very varied and wide spectrum.

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Pepegrillos wrote: »

Isn't one bar equal to 100 players in vengeance no?

That's probable, and I don't even know if on console servers we have that many PvPers in general XD

I am no PvP guy, so I have no word in this, but I enjoyed first Vengeance test when players actually participated. Never been able to participate again because it feels like there's a boycot from players and it's empty.

Can't speak to other servers but I saw in zone chat a few times people PvPers trying to get others on the servers not to play Vengeance the last time around. No idea if that boycott is still a thing this time around. I haven't seen anyone talking about it in a good or bad way. I legit plain forgot it was happening and didn't even know it had already started.

Personally never seen a call for a boycott and I doubt people would listen to each other and not play, if they actually enjoyed the game mode

I love playing on an equal field with high pop and enormous battles where I don't lag out from ball groups or being desynched by dk hybrids.

I love vengence and am happy about it becoming permanent. If you want to wait hours to get into GH, enjoy. I'd rather be fighting.

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

300 vs 360

My bad, 1 bar Vengeance is ackshually 80% of the entire pop locked GH. That changes everything! If only there was a PvP server that could handle those hundreds in queue without lag.

We should wait until people are relaxing on the weekend to see how population is. People are at work or school with little time to waste on weekdays. This started on Monday, didn't it?