xylena wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

The focus going towards only Vengeance

1 test every 3mo for a full year, 0 combat balance problems addressed (or even commented on), that sure does not seem like much focus on Vengeance. I would wager their focus is on the class reworks and the supposed new PvP keep siege battlegrounds mode.

Its more concern than they're seemingly showing for Greyhost, the only new thing we've seen is their making Chal, Ash and Alessia bigger.

Though yea, I forgot about whatever this smaller cyrodiil map is supposed to be. Again they wouldn't be getting so much heat if they just let Greyhost be open alongside Vengeance like the last test we got, on the second half of it anyway.

LadyGP wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Its clear that while the other teams on Zos involved with the class refresh and the rest of the game are making a very solid attempt to understand what we want and make changes accordingly, the PvP side of the team even without Rich Lambert are still very out of touch with reality in relation to who is playing PvP, who WILL play PvP and what we want from it. They themselves decided that instead of finding out what they want, lets make PvP for us and what we wanted it to be. Rather than what the community has crafted out of it in spite of Zos' failings.

I honestly think they are just looking at bad data. The survey questions were very skewed with alot of questions having the majority of responses being marked as "favorable".

I also think they are just looking at flat playercount/time logged into vengence and saying "look people love it we have record number of players logged in and record play time for pvp."

Their surveys do seem skewed yes, and the only good thing about them is that they let you add comments to clarify the choices you picked. This is why I half jokingly said I'd take a job from them just to address the issues in pvp, they seriously need a team of people that actually play in some capacity, even if its ballgrouping since at least then Zos would understand how ridiculous and how much of an issue those are. They gotta pvp in cyrodiil some way, somehow before they can actually understand the data they're looking at. Rather than being laymen in their own game and trying to understand community comments and data with no real point of reference.

For instance they're looking at the lag spikes in cyrodiil and calling it a problem related to sets and all the different skills from new skill lines they've added to the game. Seasoned Cyrodiil players know what this actually is.

The only two moments in Cyrodiil currently where the game truly feels unplayable are when Volendrung spawns, and Ballgroups, especially multiple Ballgroups appear. And usually, Volendrung brings lag because it attracts the latter. Big zergs have some lag sure, but more times than not what players are experiencing from zergs isn't lag its their PC performance suffering.

In the case of Ballgroups, its often both. In summary, if Zos played their own game more they'd know how out of hand Ballgroups have really gotten, and the only thing they really need to focus on for greyhost from a technical level anyway is, how to power down ballgroups. They've finally started taking a real look at this with the most recent heal stacking nerf but it isn't enough. They need to roll back that statement of "we can't fix greyhost" and do what we've been begging them to for years, rather than switching focus to other game modes frankly that no one asked for.

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Its clear that while the other teams on Zos involved with the class refresh and the rest of the game are making a very solid attempt to understand what we want and make changes accordingly, the PvP side of the team even without Rich Lambert are still very out of touch with reality in relation to who is playing PvP, who WILL play PvP and what we want from it. They themselves decided that instead of finding out what they want, lets make PvP for us and what we wanted it to be. Rather than what the community has crafted out of it in spite of Zos' failings.

I honestly think they are just looking at bad data. The survey questions were very skewed with alot of questions having the majority of responses being marked as "favorable".

I also think they are just looking at flat playercount/time logged into vengence and saying "look people love it we have record number of players logged in and record play time for pvp."

What they need to be doing, and hopefully are, is looking comparing the "core" pvp players and their time spent. Sure, it's nice to have new people come into cyrodiil but if you're casual pver just comes around once in a blue moon to get rewards and dip.... are you really making an improvement?

I dont know.. just talking off the cuff here.... I just wish the PvP community felt like they had a voice. The new direction zos is going is so damn good... like communication is the best I think it's ever been.. but as it relates to us PvPers I feel like we are just stuck in the silo of being ignored year after year. (not to be named) individual and their stream comments didn't help the perception... but yeah.

I don't know maybe @ZOS_Kevin can work with the team and figure something out to where we don't feel so ignored - voice/feedback wise anyways.

I saw the house section for Glittering Goad......... and it is SO SHINY. I don't see any real reason to pick one over the other, other than the wing of the house you'll unlock. Glittering Goad gives you shiny golden floors of magnificence. The other two are dingy/cave and basic.... gimme dat GOLD.

Syldras wrote: »

AScarlato wrote: »

I'm just curious, what about the markings are "offensive"?
I understand if someone doesn't want to collect a cosmetic and want it added to their account. I already have too many pets I never use so may skip this one so I don't have more "never going to use this" cosmetics to scroll through.
But I am genuinely curious about the actual offense as it is going over my head.

I can remember a thread years ago that was about absolutely not wanting daedric items in one's collection because they represent the veneration of demons/evil and therefore a cultural taboo for that person. If I needed to guess I'd think this is probably a similar case.

In any way, I think people can reject what ever they wish to reject, no need for explanations.

Unfortunately, there's no way to do that with golden pursuit rewards yet (and if tome rewards really have an auto-claim function, that will probably also have people end up with items they don't want).

The conversation going:

"I'm offended by the rewards" (Which are basic Rogue markings)
"Why?"
"Stop trolling"

To be quite unpleasant and unnecessary. If they don't want to reply to people, they can just ignore the question rather than accusing them of trolling or harassing them. I think if you make a request of the devs to spend time on something, having a reason for asking them to make changes can be helpful, and more so if the reason seems like many other players would have the same thought process.

Anyway, the forums have tools to remove myself from situations like this so I used them.

FurryCandyHearts wrote: »

Bguk wrote: »

I agree with the option to hide the golden pursuits notification would be nice.

As a temporary solution, couldn't you just take the rewards and never see the popup again once completed? You know this won't be fixed any time soon, and from the words you're typing this is causing great distress.

NO> I DO NOT WANT THEM!

Your third post on this thread prompted a temporary solution to take items you don't want which you can leave to rot in your collections as the notification will remain. Well, you either get the notification or you get the reward currently.

As a side note, make downvotes an option please ZOS.

I don't know why anyone is arguing with the OP. All they are doing is giving their honest feedback. Tomes is a new system and ZOS needs to hear everyone's feedback, not just those that enjoy it. And the truth of the matter is a that there are many others that feel the same way the OP does.

Tomes and Golden Pursuits are task lists, not content. And there are too many all at once and some of us would like to do other things with our game time but feel pressured into this.

Others may have different feedback which is fine, and they are free to share that here. But their feedback does not negate the OP's.

ZOS said the wanted to get rid of FOMO, but yet they have actually added more things to miss out on, and the tasks take much longer to obtain.
I used to have zero problem doing the daily endeavors on 4 accounts on both NA and EU, that's not the case anymore with tomes. We had one weekly, now we have 5 new weekly challenges every week that are much more time consuming to complete than the weekly endeavors used to be.
They talked about all the different currencies in game and made a statement about reducing that, then they came out with even more currencies to use.
The real problem is that ZOS is saying one thing, then doing the exact opposite of what they said they were going to do.
Now they are spending time making all these class changes while we still have bugs in the game that have been here for years (stuck in battle bug that they asked us to NOT list on the forum about "bugs wish list to fix")
We have had a very large player base leave the game because known bugs haven't been addressed at all...those bugs that have been in the game should be finally fixed.
Currently on the PTS they're testing the overland difficulty thing, and on the first day of PTS there were threads on the forums about some player spending all this time to kill a boss on high difficulty, then some other player coming up and "one shotting" the boss because they're playing it on normal difficulty...who didn't see THAT coming? As I've said many times in the threads about this, if you want the overland experience to be more difficult, then don't use the meta build sets, get rid of your CP, and play the game in "murder hobo gear"...stuff you just pick up along the way in the zone. Start out naked and do the content. The feedback I got was "I spent time to collect this end game gear, I should be able to hit 180k all the time.", which goes against them wanting things to be harder.
I have played the game since Beta, I have 4 accounts. I remember when hitting 20k was difficult in the game. I remember when zones were level specific. It's not the "game" difficulty so much as it is the damage creep that has been introduced to the game to make things so much easier.
I agree that we do have "too many things to do" in the game. The GPs this week to "warm people up" for the Night Market didn't need to happen, especially if they're going to have the GPs during the Night Market. We just had 2 back to back events, now Vengeance, and we're going to have another "event" happening at the end of the GPs, with even more GPs to do, besides the Tomes. Endeavors were replaced with Tomes that require a lot more time to complete than the daily endeavors. ZOS said something about people having FOMO for daily login rewards, and what did they do? They had daily login rewards for Tomes.
No, we don't "have" to do this stuff, but when they talk about doing stuff to stop the FOMO in game, then literally keep it and add more tasks to obtain things, they have actually made FOMO worse!
@ZOS_Kevin and @ZOS_GinaBruno please take this to heart that we've actually had the FOMO increased and not decreased.
Thank you for what ZOS does with the game, but please take this all to heart from someone that loves the game, and has loved the game for 13+ years.