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This actually uncooked my game, thanks ZOS!
As thanks, I will not badmouth your combat balance team for roughly 3 weeks
Dovahmiim
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Re: Overland Content Feedback Thread
You can punch your way through overland content no CP, no items. The only thing you wont kill is world boss.
This is me 10 minutes ago:
https://youtu.be/JZ5sTWo_lbE?si=TwpfUQziVrbGkXU-
I don't know how you can loose any of these encouters. Also I've noticed that on new maps there are barely any human foes. Those ususally use skills etc. This is also a factor why open world content is so easy. Maps are generally empty. I went to Blackwood record and only found Bears and Wolves, and in West Weald I had to run to the very eadge of the map to find human foes. But still, I punched my way through. Gonna start the series, fr, fr.
Completely unrelated. But watching this made me wish there were martial art skill lines. As a Muay Thai fighter, I would love to just use every square inch of my body as a weapon. Hell, maybe each skill line could draw inspiration from a specific, real life art. One for Muay Thai, another for Wushu, and the last for Kyokushin. So many possibilities here.
Just imagine arming your fists, knees, elbows, and legs with various armaments for damage. And having abilities such as a flying knee, which could have similar purposes to stampede.🥋🥊
But I know the chances of any martial arts classes appearing is less than 0.1%.
Re: Overland Content Feedback Thread
spartaxoxo wrote: »colossalvoids wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »Honestly, I am disgusted over disability claims that often make appearance on forums or reddit etc. Using someone's state to prove some kind of point is ridiculous and it happens so, so, so often.
This is wildly ableist.
The actual fact is that difficulty is subjective. And that people who struggle with disabilities and their loved ones are not wrong or "disgusting" for raising awareness of their experiences with the game. Many of the various accessibility options that video games utilize come from people discussing those experiences.
The only "ableist" thing there is claiming disability dictates your ability to perform, which is not always the case. I've played enough with quite a few people with different conditions and saw enough claims on forums that the game is impossible with those, which isn't the case and depends on other factors rather than their disability alone being the crucial factor. The person stated pretty clearly they're against using other's conditions as form of proof, not disabled people's experiences, so there's no need for an attack.
No. It is not "ableist" to claim disability impacts one's own ability to perform. Everyone experiences disability different. There are different levels of impairment. There are different experiences with the same impairment. This idea that because you met one disabled person that had no problem means another is lying when they say they do is actually ableism.
A disabled person's feedback is not "disgusting" because it goes against the popular opinion that something is easy for able bodied people.
Twisting my words to prove.... not existing point. Just like manufacturing game experience to gaslit people to believe that game is hard. Please read once again my statement without prejudice. Also it is nice to see you relfect on calling some "abelist" - as your original comment was edited.
My post touched upon accessibity options, making game for wide range of community etc. I feel like one side of this conversation cannot come up with actual well thought answers. Just one post form me and I ended up being gastlit, called disrespectful and abelist. Is this how conversation should go?
Lysorris
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Re: Overland Content Feedback Thread
I 100% agree with everything in this post and I appreciate you taking the time to register on a forum for a game you quit to express your grievance here. I see it often outside these forums whenever TESO is discussed. A lot of people here need to understand that the forums itself are a barrier to entry, and also have quite a bad reputation, so you're not getting the full picture if you're only engaging with it here.This whole thread is essentially anecdotes against anecdotes, but I would love to see the official stats, because I have a feeling most people quit during the first 10 levels, or shortly after engaging a bit with the dungeon finder.
Saying this game is easy is a massive understatement, I have played games for a long time and never have I played a game where the lack of difficulty was such an obvious issue. I would be willing to bet my life savings that this game has lost at the least tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of potential players, because the game insists that you don't have to engage with it's mechanics in any way. Expecting the average player to have to slog through 100 hours of content before being presented with a challenge or having to engage with CORE mechanics is NOT reasonable, and I think many here vastly underrate the skill level of the average gamer if they think this is a good introduction to the game.
There are entire solar systems between the difficulty of this game and Dark Souls, so fearing that the game will suddenly become too hardcore I find disingenuous. Even other TES games like Skyrim or Oblivion are 10 times harder than this game. The fear that it will simply take longer to get rewards, I also find odd. You don't judge the quality of video game by the frequency and ease of which a player receives rewards, it's not a slot machine, it's a video game and video games are supposed to be engaging.
The point made by the opposers I sympathise the most with is the accessibility issue, I really do understand that if you already find the game difficult because of age or disabilities that a difficulty increase is concerning, but unfortunately I also think that if a game has skills, blocks, dodges ect. it is reasonable that the game is balanced around utilizing these, I know it sounds harsh, but at the end of the day it is an ARPG. Luckily it seems vet overland is going to be opt in as to not make things more difficult for these players.
I would love to get back into this game, and buy it for my friends so we could play it together, but as it stands this game is so mind numbingly easy making core mechanics of the game irrelevant, and making progression feel unrewarding as you basically steamroll everything by level 1, so you never feel any need to get stronger. All of it becomes meaningless, it essentially makes all the core content of the game wasted content, because many of the bosses ect have abilities that never end up mattering which makes one wonder why they were implemented in the first place. I would love for ZoS to make a vet server, with difficulty more appropriate for the average gamer, because I can say confidently that the way this game is balanced currently is not for us.
I've been posting in this thread for approaching 4 years... And this whole time the naysayers of increased overland difficulty have claimed 'the data' doesn't support the demand for overland difficulty. Meanwhile I've asserted that there's a silent majority of lapsed players who quit the game without expressing their frustrations. One of the primary complaints being a lack of overland difficulty.
The solution? Let's see the data. Until that happens, it is infuriating to see it cited in the opposing argument because none of you know any better than we do and only one side of this debate is advocating for any transparency on the matter.
How awfully convenient that we have to argue against the unknowable.
This has been the most aggravating discussion I’ve ever been part of in over 25 years of online gaming. I completely understand why players silently quit rather than engaging in the discourse here. I honestly wish I didn't care as much as I do.
spartaxoxo wrote: »This is wildly ableist.
The actual fact is that difficulty is subjective. And that people who struggle with disabilities and their loved ones are not wrong or "disgusting" for raising awareness of their experiences with the game. Many of the various accessibility options that video games utilize come from people discussing those experiences.
I think you're misunderstanding the point being made. I would agree that a lot of people here are using 'accessibility' in a completely disingenuous way to get what they want and maintain the status quo of (nonexistent) overland difficulty. I would also say it is quite ableist in itself to speak on the behalf of those with disabilities defending that same status quo, as if they all need a game where it takes a minute and a half for a bear to kill you on a completely naked, statless low level character straight out of the tutorial.
Re: Overland Content Feedback Thread
I really don't say this to be condescending, but I am shook to my very core that anyone could see the difficulty in this game as anything else than a major flaw in game design, let alone describe it as challenging.
I started a new character and played it up to lvl 6 in Stros M'Kai, and I could simply walk past/through huge groups of enemies with no consenquence, walk through all traps and simpy light attack the few enemies I had to kill to complete the quests. I never equipped gear either. Again, what is the point of having enemies, traps ect if they have no possible chance of ever killing you? It's as if enemies and traps in this game are just scenery.
I play a lot of Nintendo games, which are games known for being very accessible even to a much more casual audience. If Nintendo had designed a game this easy it would be a major failure on their part. It's absolutely ridiculous thinking that the current balance does anything to good for newer players, all it does is push them away.
I started a new character and played it up to lvl 6 in Stros M'Kai, and I could simply walk past/through huge groups of enemies with no consenquence, walk through all traps and simpy light attack the few enemies I had to kill to complete the quests. I never equipped gear either. Again, what is the point of having enemies, traps ect if they have no possible chance of ever killing you? It's as if enemies and traps in this game are just scenery.
I play a lot of Nintendo games, which are games known for being very accessible even to a much more casual audience. If Nintendo had designed a game this easy it would be a major failure on their part. It's absolutely ridiculous thinking that the current balance does anything to good for newer players, all it does is push them away.
Re: Overland Content Feedback Thread
Crazy that there's all this talk about 'engineering the experience' to make the game easier when there's literally a video in my signature that shows a naked, statless, CP-less lvl 3 character standing in front of a bear attacking him for a minute and a half before it manages to kill him.
That's the default, intended experience of TESO's overland I guess.
https://youtu.be/CLYwxXFqEZk
That's the default, intended experience of TESO's overland I guess.
https://youtu.be/CLYwxXFqEZk
Re: Request: Turning Off Visual Effects (An Accessibility Issue)
i agree and i recently made a list post for this stuff.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/681702/accessibility-request-a-list-of-strobing-flashing-effects-occurrences/p1?new=1
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/681702/accessibility-request-a-list-of-strobing-flashing-effects-occurrences/p1?new=1
Re: Overland Content Feedback Thread
I am sorry if I come across negative negative in this post, but I wouldn't make a forum account just to comment on this very issue if I didn't think the game didn't had many strong points as well, however the point of difficulty is the number 1 issue as far as I, and many others are concerned. I've read through about 30-40 pages of this discussion, and there are many good points but also many disingenuous arguments. I am what could be characterized as a "new player", I've owned the game since 2017 and have tried many times to get into it, but the farthest I've come is lvl 48. I have introduced several friends to the game as well a long time ago, and they also bounced off the game once unlocking the dungeon finder and realizing that there is simply no challenge to be had. This whole thread is essentially anecdotes against anecdotes, but I would love to see the official stats, because I have a feeling most people quit during the first 10 levels, or shortly after engaging a bit with the dungeon finder.
Saying this game is easy is a massive understatement, I have played games for a long time and never have I played a game where the lack of difficulty was such an obvious issue. I would be willing to bet my life savings that this game has lost at the least tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of potential players, because the game insists that you don't have to engage with it's mechanics in any way. Expecting the average player to have to slog through 100 hours of content before being presented with a challenge or having to engage with CORE mechanics is NOT reasonable, and I think many here vastly underrate the skill level of the average gamer if they think this is a good introduction to the game.
There are entire solar systems between the difficulty of this game and Dark Souls, so fearing that the game will suddenly become too hardcore I find disingenuous. Even other TES games like Skyrim or Oblivion are 10 times harder than this game. The fear that it will simply take longer to get rewards, I also find odd. You don't judge the quality of video game by the frequency and ease of which a player receives rewards, it's not a slot machine, it's a video game and video games are supposed to be engaging.
The point made by the opposers I sympathise the most with is the accessibility issue, I really do understand that if you already find the game difficult because of age or disabilities that a difficulty increase is concerning, but unfortunately I also think that if a game has skills, blocks, dodges ect. it is reasonable that the game is balanced around utilizing these, I know it sounds harsh, but at the end of the day it is an ARPG. Luckily it seems vet overland is going to be opt in as to not make things more difficult for these players.
I would love to get back into this game, and buy it for my friends so we could play it together, but as it stands this game is so mind numbingly easy making core mechanics of the game irrelevant, and making progression feel unrewarding as you basically steamroll everything by level 1, so you never feel any need to get stronger. All of it becomes meaningless, it essentially makes all the core content of the game wasted content, because many of the bosses ect have abilities that never end up mattering which makes one wonder why they were implemented in the first place. I would love for ZoS to make a vet server, with difficulty more appropriate for the average gamer, because I can say confidently that the way this game is balanced currently is not for us.
Agreed. I too, have invited friends to play this game, only to quit because they find it too easy. They don’t have any CP, they’re not wearing any full 5 piece set, and they sure as hell don’t even use up the meta or even all of their bar spaces. They don’t even know what spammables or LA weaving is.
They’re playing the game like Skyrim with the most inadequate “build” and still mowing through story bosses without even having to use the abilities they purchased.
Re: Overland Content Feedback Thread
I do not think the game is too easy for the average player.
I started a new character. I did not apply CP to boost his power or combat abilities. I did not create the 'perfect' gear for him with my master crafter. I did not speed level him with guild mates or paid services. When you really play as if a new player, then the game is, indeed, challenging. I would put forth a challenge to those who are saying the game is too easy to try this as well; however, I think they will not do it.
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I am playing characters with no CP and no optimized gear or build and the game is laughably easy. I don't want to come across bad faith, but I actually don't believe you. The game is so easy that it leads me to believe that you've engineered your post such as to support not increasing the difficulty. I actually struggle to imagine anyone finding the game challenging bar disabled or people of old age. If non of these apply to you, I wonder what standard of "challenging" you are applying and what other games you play if I may ask.
Re: Overland Content Feedback Thread
I am sorry if I come across negative negative in this post, but I wouldn't make a forum account just to comment on this very issue if I didn't think the game didn't had many strong points as well, however the point of difficulty is the number 1 issue as far as I, and many others are concerned. I've read through about 30-40 pages of this discussion, and there are many good points but also many disingenuous arguments. I am what could be characterized as a "new player", I've owned the game since 2017 and have tried many times to get into it, but the farthest I've come is lvl 48. I have introduced several friends to the game as well a long time ago, and they also bounced off the game once unlocking the dungeon finder and realizing that there is simply no challenge to be had. This whole thread is essentially anecdotes against anecdotes, but I would love to see the official stats, because I have a feeling most people quit during the first 10 levels, or shortly after engaging a bit with the dungeon finder.
Saying this game is easy is a massive understatement, I have played games for a long time and never have I played a game where the lack of difficulty was such an obvious issue. I would be willing to bet my life savings that this game has lost at the least tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of potential players, because the game insists that you don't have to engage with it's mechanics in any way. Expecting the average player to have to slog through 100 hours of content before being presented with a challenge or having to engage with CORE mechanics is NOT reasonable, and I think many here vastly underrate the skill level of the average gamer if they think this is a good introduction to the game.
There are entire solar systems between the difficulty of this game and Dark Souls, so fearing that the game will suddenly become too hardcore I find disingenuous. Even other TES games like Skyrim or Oblivion are 10 times harder than this game. The fear that it will simply take longer to get rewards, I also find odd. You don't judge the quality of video game by the frequency and ease of which a player receives rewards, it's not a slot machine, it's a video game and video games are supposed to be engaging.
The point made by the opposers I sympathise the most with is the accessibility issue, I really do understand that if you already find the game difficult because of age or disabilities that a difficulty increase is concerning, but unfortunately I also think that if a game has skills, blocks, dodges ect. it is reasonable that the game is balanced around utilizing these, I know it sounds harsh, but at the end of the day it is an ARPG. Luckily it seems vet overland is going to be opt in as to not make things more difficult for these players.
I would love to get back into this game, and buy it for my friends so we could play it together, but as it stands this game is so mind numbingly easy making core mechanics of the game irrelevant, and making progression feel unrewarding as you basically steamroll everything by level 1, so you never feel any need to get stronger. All of it becomes meaningless, it essentially makes all the core content of the game wasted content, because many of the bosses ect have abilities that never end up mattering which makes one wonder why they were implemented in the first place. I would love for ZoS to make a vet server, with difficulty more appropriate for the average gamer, because I can say confidently that the way this game is balanced currently is not for us.
Saying this game is easy is a massive understatement, I have played games for a long time and never have I played a game where the lack of difficulty was such an obvious issue. I would be willing to bet my life savings that this game has lost at the least tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of potential players, because the game insists that you don't have to engage with it's mechanics in any way. Expecting the average player to have to slog through 100 hours of content before being presented with a challenge or having to engage with CORE mechanics is NOT reasonable, and I think many here vastly underrate the skill level of the average gamer if they think this is a good introduction to the game.
There are entire solar systems between the difficulty of this game and Dark Souls, so fearing that the game will suddenly become too hardcore I find disingenuous. Even other TES games like Skyrim or Oblivion are 10 times harder than this game. The fear that it will simply take longer to get rewards, I also find odd. You don't judge the quality of video game by the frequency and ease of which a player receives rewards, it's not a slot machine, it's a video game and video games are supposed to be engaging.
The point made by the opposers I sympathise the most with is the accessibility issue, I really do understand that if you already find the game difficult because of age or disabilities that a difficulty increase is concerning, but unfortunately I also think that if a game has skills, blocks, dodges ect. it is reasonable that the game is balanced around utilizing these, I know it sounds harsh, but at the end of the day it is an ARPG. Luckily it seems vet overland is going to be opt in as to not make things more difficult for these players.
I would love to get back into this game, and buy it for my friends so we could play it together, but as it stands this game is so mind numbingly easy making core mechanics of the game irrelevant, and making progression feel unrewarding as you basically steamroll everything by level 1, so you never feel any need to get stronger. All of it becomes meaningless, it essentially makes all the core content of the game wasted content, because many of the bosses ect have abilities that never end up mattering which makes one wonder why they were implemented in the first place. I would love for ZoS to make a vet server, with difficulty more appropriate for the average gamer, because I can say confidently that the way this game is balanced currently is not for us.