JohnRingo wrote: »

Charm was a ball group breaker

Tracking posts:
https://moonpile.tumblr.com/tagged/solstice treasure maps

Final Report, September 30:
Test concluded, no longer buying maps despite non-completion:
https://moonpile.tumblr.com/post/796136099180396544/solstice-treasure-map-leads-data-sept-30

TOTAL Solstice maps spent ONLY on 2/3+ codex = 105
EMPTY (no leads) = 100
Empty maps in the Lead gap between July 30 & Sept 21 = 76

Last & ONLY 2/3+ codex Leads:
July 28: Geometric Stone-Nest Totem 2/3
July 30: Geometric Stone-Nest Totem 3/3
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September 21: Large Solstice Bismuth Tower 2/3


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Update: September 17:
I have a few Solstice maps left so I decided to use them.
I will not be buying more unless this is fixed. This is stupid.

TOTAL Solstice maps spent ONLY on 2/3 codex = 83
EMPTY (no leads) = 81
Maps since last lead: 66

Last & ONLY 2/3 codex Leads:
July 28: Geometric Stone-Nest Totem 2/3
July 30: Geometric Stone-Nest Totem 3/3

1.5 months and 66 maps with ZERO leads. Is this bugged?

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OP:

Codex & leads:

• ONLY counting the 2/3 codex. See below.
• Only 2 leads so far.
• Only 1 item is unlocked 3/3: Geometric Stone-Nest Totem. This is still the only Totem purchasable after unlocking (for reference: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/677582/antiquities-are-missing-from-their-vendors-for-2-3-years)
• All 6 of the other furnishings that come from Treasure Maps are only 1/3 unlocked.

Maps used:

• Total maps spent JUST on 2/3 codex = 31
• EMPTY (no leads) Solstice maps to date = 29
• Maps since last lead: 14

Gold estimates:

• Approx. (not actual) gold spent ONLY on the 2/3 codex to date, based on TTC avg. prices at this time: 1.4 million
• That's 1.4 million gold to get mostly nothing but decon / vendor garbage.
• The above is not counting 1/3 codex, which is approximately an additional ~ 500,000 - 1,000,000 gold
• I'm posting this primarily for those who are new / returning / not flush / don't want to experiment with millions of gold – This is NOT an accessible system where one might reasonably expect to get something worthwhile. This is an multi-level RNG gold-sink (as were West Weald, Apocrypha, etc. before) and IMO, not fun. If you read my previous post, you'll see the 1/3 codex at least was curated & dropped every ~1-3 maps. Beyond 1/3, it's better to sell maps for now – prices typically fall after a year. Since we can't buy most of the totems, that makes them even less worthwhile.

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katanagirl1 wrote: »

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Hi all,

Wanted to follow up here. The goal is always to provided a balance of more grounded yet cool items and more fun/ fantastical items as well.

We have taken note and shared feedback when some items may push that balance a bit far, like our 4-sword horse friend. (I find this mount fun, but totally understand it can be super jarring.)

However, the item selections are meant to give you the player tools to be creative and have fun. Sometimes player choice will lead to a dancing Molag Bal, as jarring as that can be. But between the Crown Store items, in-game items and in-game event items, there are plenty of choices to make a more grounded experience for yourself and for others if they so choose. Some may go down the route of Sheogorath for a more maddening experience, but they should have the option to do so as well.

All that being said, happy to take any additional feedback to the team for their consideration. Is there a style or kind of cosmetic we have made in the past that you would like us to lean more into?

Thanks for any feedback give here. And please be mindful when submitting feedback that you remember community guidelines.

Kevin,

I agree with many here who posted that the mount-up animations for many of these flashy mounts is the greater part of the problem. The Voidmother Welwa and I think it is the Accursed Recall (the one that looks like a big pink bubble gum bubble) and the Legionnaire’s Recall can completely blind other players. There should never be a time when another player’s action makes it impossible for me to see. Also, one of the new Mount-up animations makes my PS5 controller vibrate. I can’t remember which one it is, one of the newer ones. Controller vibration should be only for something relevant to my own character.

Personally. I think the anchor recall is great, but that’s my opinion. The volume of the recall has been turned down and it does not bother me. I stop to watch it whenever someone uses it. I wish I could have it but crown crates and gambling aren’t for me.

Another thing lately is a pet with lightning type flashy light animation. I can’t believe no one has complained about this already. That nearly causes seizures for me and I am not susceptible to that sort of thing. I don’t know its name but It looks like a small cat with wings. The frequency of the flashing is quick and erratic, very disturbing.

Some players ask for things like a switch to turn off these things not because it is against their personal preference for seeing things in the game, but because it actually interferes with their ability to play the game. Don’t we all deserve to be able to play without discomfort?

the vibration you mentioned is likely from the Glass Atronach dwarven spider mount from Mirrormoor crates, the Mirrormoor skin has the same vibration.

i have also criticised the lightning effects numerous times and i believe the pet you are referring to is the Kynareth's Fledgeling Gryphon, the Kynareth's Quasigriff mount has the same effects both from Carnaval Crates.

i made a list for items with strobing/flashing effects in the pain point thread but now i think i may be useful to create a separate post for it

here's the link to my pain point thread comment:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8260693#Comment_8260693

edited to add that i made the post i just mentioned:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/681702/accessibility-request-a-list-of-strobing-flashing-effects-occurrences#latest

salander7 wrote: »

NoticeMeArkay wrote: »

The hooks are immense magical constructs, designed to break the boundaries between Oblivion and Mundus; they hook into the ground and the great chains attempt to pull Nirn into Coldharbour. [...]
Turning a world event into a simple player animation makes it non-threatening.
Meanwhile a recall like this one sparks great joy as it doesn't violate my eardrums and feels natural to it's surroundings. It's visuals can also easily be connected to different player figure stereotypes such as druids, hedgemages and alike.
This enables a players creativity.

It is called commuting. Not everyone has a direct Vvardenfell-Deshaan private jet. I doubt dolmens are threatening to anyone that made it past CP300 or played ever in a group in the last 8 years.
Meanwhile the second one is only used by none but freemium players. With all due respect, either leaves fit the char theme, or the dolmen is just nicer. Maybe they do prefer something else. But that's the fun part: everyone can choose!

It's difficult to take you serious when your unrequested response to a players feedback adressed at Zos is to blow things out of proportion, overdramatize the actual contains of the feedback itself to fit your narrative and try your hardest to find an attack towards your preferred demographic while insulting the other one as "Freemium-players". Not leaving out the fact that the "leaves recall" is very much not just used by your so called "Freemium-players" as for example I prefer it immensely together with the mages guild recall even though I do occasionally spend money on the store. You could have, of course, just asked tho before making false assumptions. - The only thing you managed with your comment is to draw a rather ugly picture of the people waiting on the other end of the stick beside you. Greatly unfair to those, I'd say.

salander7

conspiracy theories, Political context...omg...
things much more simple. I want to have an option to see game world as it supposed to be by its lore. By switch off in game settings "turn off not-combat pets, turn off costumes, mounts, polymorphs and so on"
i dont ask to REMOVE anything, that it should not EXIST. Im ok with that other players enjoy it.
Do not try to change my mind how ESO should look. I respect your opinion.
I think there should be a bit more flexibility in visual game settings, so every player could choose how he want game world look like.

"I've been playing other multiplayer games that have settings like "hide non historical cosmetics" and it feels so good" (lostineternity)

All this arguments about we will never see this option of adjustable visual effects because all this stuff bring money to developers will never make sense to me. Axioma is that developers make games for players (i still blindly believe in that auditory is more important than cash), and if some percent of players request that option to be done - that should not be ignored

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

All that being said, happy to take any additional feedback to the team for their consideration

Cosmetics grounded in the setting are great.

Great:
We see Durzog tamers (Arushna, Nikolvara, multiple goblin clans). We see tame guar, Necrom guards on guar, ambient dialogue about guar burials. We see Kagouti, Nix Oxen, even the little vvardvark babies convinced me the grown mounts make sense. I have several of these mounts & will keep buying more of those variants.

I'd buy an Echatere mount - we see them used by merchants as pack animals, herded by Clan Shatul, in the wild, etc. I'd buy a silt strider pack companion after seeing NPC merchants & Ashlanders traveling with them.

Gloomspore Mounts (in Blackreach)? Vampire thrall skins? Lamp Knight armor? What they all have in common is that they have in-game representation and thus players can form attachments to some or come up with cohesive reasons to have one. One group of friends all got Gloomspore mounts after an adventure in Blackreach, figuring we already had a mycoturge in the guild & OOC it'd be our little memory of the expedition.



Not Great?
The "Ice Wolf" claims Nords of Hjaalmarch ride them yet no one in Morthal does - they only have 4 horses in their stables.

The "Black Bear" claims warriors use them as mounts in northern High Rock & Skyim - but Shornhelm's stables are all horses.

These aren't even obviously glowy mounts - an overwhelming amount of the time, humans either (1) don't use mounts or (2) only have horses. I feel like I'm being pranked each time a mount claims to be used by humans & yet never appear unless its a horse.

No two elven races pretend to be homogenous, yet humans all too often seem to settle for "normalcy". Instead of distinct civilizations with their own legends & creatures & magic, it feels like so many glowing mounts exist because there's no "need" to connect humans to their myths.

Morrowind has a handful of unique fauna it can recolor & sell to me - but I'd be livid if I got a "free magma horse from Red Mountain!" - I'd buy an Echatere from Wrothgar immediately, no interest in "ice camels from Orsinium!" - I'd buy a camel or duneripper from Hammerfell, but don't want to see a "ancient Yokudan sand bear!"

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Wormmouth are native to Hammerfell & their skeleton might resemble a Kagouti - I feel that's a more natural fit for an exotic mount than, say, a glowy 4-armed pony-spirit.

One of my pet peeves is owning the Nenalata Ayleid Bear - they had Guar, Camel, Wolves, Horses, etc? How did these animals outlive their extinct masters? No previous lore suggesting a magic zoo, no in-game representation - every time I see the bear in my collections, I quit thinking of ESO & see Narnia. It doesn't feel a part of the setting.

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Is there a style or kind of cosmetic we have made in the past that you would like us to lean more into?

Bugs. Cosmetics don't have to be mundane - but using local materials (chaurus, echatere, duneripper, armored mites, parrapton, assassin beetles, shalks, elytra, glyptodons, hoarvor.... are all more "real" than a thunder pony).

Morrowind's has Dreugh, Bonemold, Morag Tong, Ashlander - the https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Roksa_the_Warped_Style is great stuff.

But they're not the only culture with giant bugs. Bosmer, Argonian, Redguard also have giant shalk, wasps, hoarvor, giant scorpions and snakes. Bretons have a couple giant spider bosses. The Grim Harlequin crates gave us Falmer "Chitinous" style some years back. But imagine:

• Maybe Nords in Blackreach adapting local materials (I love how Blackreach Vanguard mixes chitin, metal, leather and fur).
• Maybe Dunmer artisans adapt their techniques to chaurus shells?
• Maybe deep-cave dwelling Wrothgarian Orcs crafting a lamellar chaurus plate?
• Maybe some kind of "Falmer Witch" that's less half-naked barbarian & more robes?

I'd argue some of the consistently strongest Crown Crate products are the styles & weapons - I love seeing Lamp Knight on NPCs, I'd love to see Betnikh orcs wearing Seamount style, etc.

The strongest crate items are always the ones one would be willing to use on an NPC in-game. If something is too zany for that low bar, then it's going to be distracting. Conversely, actually putting some models into the game would help make more sense of them.

Update: It seems to work fine now. No more unusual loading times.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

colossalvoids wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Asikoo wrote: »

And it’s not just about cosmetics. The introduction of subclass systems has only made it clearer that something is off at the core of ESO. The distinct identity that once defined each class has been diluted to the point where it no longer feels like Elder Scrolls game. That sense of immersion and uniqueness is fading. Has the team given up on preserving that identity? Has the creative drive been lost? Because right now, it feels like the soul of ESO is slipping away and many longtime players feel the same.

Subclassing is Elder Scrolls at its roots. Distinct classes are not an Elder Scrolls staple and was simply a byproduct of making an MMO. You could pick classes and types of characters but you weren't bound to those decisions and can learn anything you want in the single player games

That's an opinion, not a fact to correct someone about. It might sound legit on a surface but if you're honestly comparing distributing skill lines designed specifically to fit a specific class with having magic schools and hand picking your skills etc. it feels disingenuous at best as it's not even close to many of us, you can read the feedback freely on the forums here, it's not that muddy or two sided overall.

It might have sparked some initial interest but novelty fades away quickly leaving the feedback you're reading in it's place.

Subclassing is objectively closer to how the single player games work than hard classes.

I get why it made this game feel worse because this game has hard classes for 10 years and then they changed it to be closer to the single player games. And they did so haphazardly that the pure classes don't feel as good to play. There a lot of very valid negative feedback about subclassing.

But to say that it's not lore friendly to the Elder Scrolls series is just not accurate. The Elder Scrolls as a franchise predates this game and has been around for a long time. And it is famous for its build freedom and NOT locking you into classes. I actually remember it being a bit controversial that this one did at first although that's obviously not considered weird anymore and hasn't been for a long time.

Yet again, the "technically it is closer" thing is fine for the corporation, not the players who expect some design direction and cohesion at the very least. It's the same logic if they'll slash the skill lines in halves (if those weren't 5 skills) and say that it's double as Elder Scrolls'y now.

They could have potentially done this "right" assembling the skills into schools, stripping all flavour text, redo previous lore on having no distinct schools yet in the timeline, redo most animations and art but we got what we've got - nothing new, same class aesthetic repackaged as a purely gameplay feature which makes barely any sense in the context of the game we had. Which worked against the class system of the game we're playing and TES class fantasy overall, which was in the series from the very first entry. An Emperor's Blade is a Blade, not a Meridian cultist having side pact with Mora, people who picked Barbarian did played as a Barbarian, etc. sure there was a choice to diverge from it but the only class-less tes we had was Skyrim, which still getting flack for it, people do enjoy restrictions that enhance the experience and flesh out some niche fantasies. Some might prefer a skill salad but that's goes for the same stealth archers, going outside of the TES and focusing purely on gaming and min-maxing, not the setting.