Soarora wrote: »

It really is unpleasant how often people do that. It’s a waste of everyone’s time, especially in a death match. I thought that you’re supposed to get kicked off the platform if you’re up there too long but that doesn’t seem to be the case…

So it eventually kicks in, but it takes 2-3~ minutes.

Also to add my two cents to the main topic, agreed. In the past few days of doing bgs for the event, there are so many people that either afk in spawn or leave the battleground after the first fight doesn't go in their team's favor. It's ridiculous. I used to pvp pretty regularly in eso, but this is a reminder of one of the big reasons of why I stopped. In other games, afking in spawn or leaving a game is escalating penalties or a bannable offense. In eso battlegrounds, it's almost normalized socially or incentivized by the system due to lack of consequences/accidentally rewarding people for bad behavior. A few times I've had the leaver of the last bg I was in be on one of the next teams so they are taught they can just leave a game if it doesn't start well and do something in world and get into the next game easily. Afkers in spawn don't really get punished either so they keep doing it. Sometimes the enemy team is ahead and has a bomber so they stop playing the objective so they can spawn bomb people when they rez for ten minutes and waste their time because apparently when battlegrounds were reworked zos forgot to add back in the spawn protection/immunity. In any other pvp game all of the above would be punished and discouraged. Other games either know inherently or learn the hard way that letting this kind of behavior happen just breeds toxicity and resentment in the playerbase.

Some suggestions I have for it:

• Add back protection from spawn killing.
• After adding back spawn protection, allow players to wait in spawn if they are trying to regroup and an ally is dead, but if all players are alive boot them out of spawn after 5-15 seconds (gives enough time to buff up before the drop without making it so people can afk in spawn for minutes at a time).
• Give an escalating leaver penalty for people who leave battlegrounds. The first one is fine because crashes happen and things can be unfortunate but tack on an amount of time per battleground left that resets daily so if someone leaves 5+ battlegrounds in a row they no longer get to play that day.
• Give players that have a leaver or afk bonus rewards or something tangible past mmr forgivness since a leaver or afker or griefer means they probably will lose the match. Battleground style pages and the rare Chef Arquitius's Lost Thesis have a higher droprate chance if you win still and one of the quests for battlegrounds daily is win 1-3 matches and this behavior messes with that.
• Consider some sort of honor system where players can give another player a vote which contributes to their rewards or score at the end of the match to encourage teamwork and good sportsmanship.

Not a comprehensive list but a few things that imo would easily turn things around. Without positive reinforcement of good behavior and fear of consequences I sadly don't see things getting better which is why outside of events I stopped pvping in eso anymore. In the game I choose to pvp in instead, these behaviors are a lot more rare because there are protections in place in the system and players face consequences for unsportsmanlike behavior and rewards for good behavior.

My vampire.

Uhhm, aren't you seeing this the wrong way around? Wouldn't it be real 'sportmanship' and 'adult' to NOT spawncamp enemies that already can't win, and allow them the opportunity to re-group? Real sportmanship/adult-behaviour would mean the team that is crushing the other team, would allow the enemies to re-group.

Ofcourse your enemy is not going to help you slaughter them!

Mother_Goose wrote: »

Sarannah wrote: »

Uhhm, aren't you seeing this the wrong way around? Wouldn't it be real 'sportmanship' and 'adult' to NOT spawncamp enemies that already can't win, and allow them the opportunity to re-group? Real sportmanship/adult-behaviour would mean the team that is crushing the other team, would allow the enemies to re-group.

Ofcourse your enemy is not going to help you slaughter them!

Nope. Speaking as someone who is mediocre to poor at PVP in this game- absolutely not.

Get Good as the saying goes. Anyone with the decision to focus can be good at this aspect of the game if they decide. Because my focus is PVE an housing and I have neglected to develop any pvp skill to speak of- If I click that button to play PVP then it is on me to develop my skills. Not cry on a ledge because I have stepped into the lion's den.

I mean what does this even look like? Letting you live because you suck? lol.

No. Just...no.

You can't expect sportmanship from your enemies, while at the same time not showing any sportmanship behaviour yourself. Sportmanship is a two-way street.

Your team that is already winning/crushing the other team could wait at the center of the map for the enemies to re-group and engage you again. How long would that take? 30 seconds to a minute.... versus waiting two minutes for the spawntimer to kick them off.

PS:

Mother_Goose wrote: »

I mean what does this even look like? Letting you live because you suck?

So... they should just allow you to keep killing them over and over... because you are on a better PvP team?

Sportmanship goes both ways!

Thanks a lot for this!

Thanks Maitsukas!

Thank you

FFIVX seems to be heading down a similarly winding path, as many players are tired of the "new dungeons, new sets, new raid" sequence.
They want something else, and they're getting bored.

Similar to the fatigue surrounding NewWorld (even though I agree the game is almost stillborn), I think TESO needs a serious overhaul because the population is declining sharply.

Or is it the MMO genre that's finally dying?

thank you ICOol guy!