Desiato wrote: »

And for all the talk of human decency, I know for a fact we all play ESO on computer hardware assembled by extremely disadvantaged people who work and live in terrible conditions. Who here is willing to say no to that? [by speaking with their actions]

"Society should improve"

"Yet you live in a society. Curious 🤔"

If I tried to boycott every product that was not ethically made then I would be unable to function in society. My time is better spent being vocal when I see something wrong (and sticking to that topic when it comes up) and voting for policies and politicians that want to do something about it.

Besides, this thread is not about that. It is about our feelings about how the employees at ZOS have been treated. And I think they should have been given notice. It should be required. The same as it is in other countries with little negative side effects. I don't have to hate capitalism, be perfectly self sufficient, and try to stop every wrong in the world to want ZOS to have been treated better and say as much.

I support the employees at zos. I support workers in general.

Just a comment on various people saying it wouldn't make sense to cancel Blackbird if they thought it would be successful.

This is not actually how sound businesses necessarily make decisions, especially large publicly traded groups. The question isn't just will it be successful, but will it be more successful than X, Y and Z and therefore a good use of our capital, employee and management time (which is limited), does it cannibalise revenue or resources from our other products, does it fit with our broader strategy for the group and if not why are we doing it, etc, etc.

One very vivid example of this came up in the original discussions in MS of the Microsoft Courier (not the one that eventually came out, the original concept, which developed a bit of a cult status as the most amazing product never made). As the story goes, Bill Gates took one look at it and asked how it fitted with Windows, Office, etc, and that was the end of the project.

I'm not saying this to excuse the layoffs and the way they have been conducted sounds absolutely appalling and I have huge sympathy for everyone at ZOS, most especially because most of them will not have signed up for a culture like this.

I'm saying this only to shed some light on why "but this product would have made money" is quite often irrelevant to why layoffs happen, products get cancelled, and so on. This can be one of the disadvantages of operating in a large, publicly trade corporate group that makes decisions at a very macro level. And, yes, when handled as badly as this the human cost can be horrific and grim.

Did your ability to play and/or complete certain types of game content improve after the launch of Update 46?
Not really, just more people pointing out how bad my dps is via logs and kicking from group.
Also more and more groups seem to do skip mechanics in trials, so I don't get to experience what I joined for.
Not subclassing myself so N/A otherwise.

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