MincMincMinc wrote: »

Also no, they wouldnt be overloaded as skills because there are no slotting passives unlike something like a warden skill giving the bonus of 20% recovery and 5% crit damage and a heal and ult gen.

With Deep Fissure:


With Sub. Assault:

• Three of its active abilities (Dive, Swarm and Falcon's Swiftness) are either overshadowed by other skills in the subclassing meta or, in the case of Falcon's Swiftness, just not really useful in PvE group content.
• It only has one passive that directly increases its damage output, Advanced Species. But because some of the better skill lines already increase Critical Damage and builds can be over the cap even without Advanced Species, the bonus is sometimes wasted in PvE.

• Perhaps activating it could give a specific PvE buff - similarly to Born From Shadow?
• Deceptive Predator could reduce the damage done by monsters by X% and Bird of Prey could increase your damage done to monsters by X%, for example.

• The buff you get when you hit an Off Balance target is good, but that's the only thing the skill has going for it - and I personally lost DPS when I added the skill to the above setup with Assassination and Ardent Flame:

With Screaming Cliff Racer instead of the passively slotted Molten Whip: 141K DPS

With Screaming Cliff Racer instead of Surprise Attack: 144K DPS

• To improve its usage as a spammable, perhaps it could get an effect similar to Stagger? Each hit would then increase your damage done to the target by X per stack, stacking up to Y times.

• It's a relatively weak skill when it's used as a DoT and it's overshadowed by other spammables (such as Surprise Attack, Biting Jabs and Lethal Arrow). Similarly to Cliff Racer, I also lost DPS when I added it to my rotation:

With Cutting Dive instead of the passively slotted Molten Whip: 144K DPS
I used it for its DoT and the skill dealt 3.8% of my damage, which is pretty low for a single target skill you have to activate once every 10 seconds (though I admittedly didn't have it up all of the time).



With Cutting Dive instead of Surprise Attack: 144K DPS
When I used the skill as a spammable instead, the DoT only dealt 1.8% of my total damage and that isn't great either compared to the additional effects some spammables have.

• Perhaps applying Off Balance could be replaced with a more impactful effect?
• I'd personally like it if the DoT could stack up to X times, which might make the Dro'Zakar's Claws set viable again.
• Or maybe the instant hit could always apply the Hemorrhaging status effect, similar to how Surprise Attack always procs Sundered.

• Unsurprisingly, I also lost a little bit of DPS when I added this skill to the setup:

With Fetcher Infection instead of the passively slotted Molten Whip: 146K DPS

• Despite every second cast dealing 60% more damage, Fetcher Infection's damage is still relatively low and it's not really worth using now that subclassing gives players access to skills that are better. Therefore, it would be great if it received some kind of buff.
• It could infect the target with a debuff that increases their damage taken from the player's Warden abilities by X%, for example.

• Similarly, adding Growning Swarm was a DPS loss as well:

With Growing Swarm instead of the passively slotted Molten Whip: 144K DPS

I forgot to take a screenshot of Growing Swarm's damage, but it's far down the list.

• Since other Class and Scribing skills can apply Minor Vulnerability in an AoE, it's odd that Growing Swarm only inflicts the primary target with the debuff. I think it'd be good if it effected all enemies in its radius instead.
• The 5 meter radius is rather small as well – especially compared to Solar Barrage's 8 meters. It would be nice if it was increased a bit in my opinion.
• The damage itself is lackluster too. I think it'd be great if it grew in strength over its duration like Hurricane, which would fit this morph's name a bit, or had an increased chance to apply the Hemorrhaging status effect.

• Since this skill line has the most Bleed Damage abilities of all class skill lines by far, I think adding some sort of Bleed Damage buff to its passives would be fitting. (But I wouldn't say no to something else, of course. )
• Since Savage Beast effect isn't that impactful, especially now that different class passives that generate Ultimate don't stack, perhaps it could increase Bleed Damage by 5% as well?
• Alternatively, Advanced Species could also increase Bleed Damage by X% per slotted Animal Companions ability since other class passives that increase Critical Damage have a second effect as well (see Piercing Spear, Hemorrhage and Fated Fortune).