Hugie wrote: »

IMO, if someone is serious about PvP, they shouldn't shy away from investing the time and resources to take full advantage of ESO's complex builds. Knowing how to theorycraft and leverage an effective setup is part of what makes someone skilled at the game. If one person is CP 3000 with all stickers learned, tens of millions of gold/AP earned, tens of thousands of raw mats hoarded, and thousands of hours of practice, I don't think it's unreasonable for that to represent a material advantage when they fight a CP 140 who just started the game a month prior. What's wrong with asking a new player to put in some time and effort and earn their power?

To your point: why would someone serious about PvP put up with "that" ^? Because that's literally ESO's gameplay loop. That's what makes ESO, ESO. Play the game, earn resources, invest them, grow stronger. If that's too much of a hassle for someone who claims to enjoy "skill-based" games, then perhaps that's just an excuse they're telling themselves to avoid putting in a modicum of work.

You say you are a long-time Cyrodiil enjoyer. You've had therefore the possibility to start in a much simpler version, with fewer systems, sets and possibilities. You were able to incorporate all those new features as they were added, one by one, not all at once. New players don't have that luxury; they have to navigate a very complex reality that is simply overwhelming. That should be taken into account before suggesting that players who are lost and struggle to understand how to build properly are just lazy or stupid.

And before anyone mentions online guides and youtube videos - these aren't very helpful. I did consult such sources, and in the majority of cases, they don't teach you anything useful. They give you some examples of builds, but don't explain the logic behind them. Reading PTS forums is more enlightening than watching top content creators, but it is not a place where any new player would naturally look for advice.

licenturion wrote: »

But for some reason a lot of current Cyro players want Vengeance killed as soon as possible because they see this optional choice as a threat because they fear a lot of people would switch to Vengeance.

Which also clearly signifies they actually understand why Vengeance is so popular compared to live Cyro, if they are so afraid of it.

Maybe some players will switch to whatever will be the final version of Vengeance, but I don't think we can expect a mass exodus. In my understanding, those who still hang around Cyrodiil and enjoy it will stay there no matter what. Those who don't enjoy it have already stopped playing. My point is that by denying an alternative, learner-friendly campaign, vet PvPers aren't boosting their campaign numbers anyhow. Players who refuse to play the current Cyro will continue to stay away from it, whether there is an alternative or not.

JustLovely wrote: »

Every thread on vengeance is the same three or four people talking amongst themselves about the virtues of vengeance and the lost cause you'd like live cyrodiil to become. It's like you're trying to push the live system we already have out of the conversation.

From my PoV, every thread on Vengeance is the same three or four people talking between themselves about how much they hate Vengeance. It's basically the same handful of people with opposing opinions exchanging their arguments in favor and against. Just a healthy discussion, without hidden agendas and malicious intent.

Why are so many items being put behind crown gem pay walls these days? ZOS, I'm sure you have some MBA behind the crown store saying people will gamble to get more gems, but please just let me buy things without having the play the capitalism mini-game

Hugie wrote: »

If Vengeance were truly a performance test,...

C`mon, noone believed that since first announcment cause everyone here knows about the golden lies. They burried all that TES and ONE-Tamriel was ment for, even with the ideas from Julianos, an unique gameseries.

Matt did it 100% right, leave that company!