DenverRalphy wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I'm saying that players that only want to queue for Base Game dungeons should have the right to queue for content they prefer, too.

They can. It's called queueing for a specific dungeon.

tomofhyrule wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I'm saying that players that only want to queue for Base Game dungeons should have the right to queue for content they prefer, too.

And they do. It's called "queue for specific dungeons."

And have to give up the random dungeon rewards to benefit those queueing for specific dungeons.

tomofhyrule wrote: »

If your entire goal of queueing is "I want the rewards for being a helpful human being," then you get what people need. You should not get the rewards for helping others if your entire goal is not to help others.

This has nothing to do with being helpful human beings. It has to do with being able to choose the content we want to participate in, which should be an equal choice for all players.

DenverRalphy wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

And herein lies the problem: you think that it will "increase player satisfaction" for the person stuck trying to farm for a DLC set, but their queue is popping even slower than a BG queue.

Why depend on players that don't want to be there to fill their groups?

Now you're trying to twist the narrative by laying responsibility onto the players who like to play content you don't want to do? C'mon..

The players queued up for DLC dungeons didn't pick anybody to join their group. They merely made themselves available for volunteers to draw from.

I'm saying that players that only want to queue for Base Game dungeons should have the right to queue for content they prefer, too.

Aislinna wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

And herein lies the problem: you think that it will "increase player satisfaction" for the person stuck trying to farm for a DLC set, but their queue is popping even slower than a BG queue.

Why can't the players wanting DLC dungeons join guilds that run dungeons and form groups with like minded players? Or form groups with friends? Why depend on players that don't want to be there to fill their groups?

My guess is for the same reason that the players wanting DLC only normal dungeons don't join guilds that run dungeons and form groups with like minded players? Or form groups with friends? Why depend on players that don't want to be there to fill their groups?

There would be plenty of players queueing for base game dungeons. Those wanting DLC dungeons are the ones with the potentially longer queues, so they should look for their own solution.

tomofhyrule wrote: »

And herein lies the problem: you think that it will "increase player satisfaction" for the person stuck trying to farm for a DLC set, but their queue is popping even slower than a BG queue.

Why can't the players wanting DLC dungeons join guilds that run dungeons and form groups with like minded players? Or form groups with friends? Why depend on players that don't want to be there to fill their groups?

dunno either. zos has created that situation themselves. but giving different queues gives ppl the option to opt out of the higher end ones. yeah, you may get some ppl wanting to get carried for the better rewards like you were saying, but more than likely they'll get booted if they truly can't do it. as it is now, you'll get lumped with those ppl anyways <shrug> along with the ones who would have opted out to not waste your time

SilverBride wrote: »

The reward fits the activity required to earn it. It's free stuff for doing nothing but logging in.

Well you're not wrong, but the purpose of free daily rewards is to provide an incentive for players to login to the game to play. Sure some might just login for the rewards, but some will login and maybe queue up for a dungeon or battlegrounds, and that makes all the difference to help the game feel more full and alive with people.

So by not providing any real collectibles, the most used tri-pots or chicken food, or even providing a rare currency like endeavor seals, a lot of players don't have the motivation/incentive to login this month.

And there are countless collectibles that could throw in there, even the 10000th variation of pet dog, just something to motivate us to login. Just my two cents anyway.

Vonnegut2506 wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Not being satisfied with the daily login rewards is fine. Just be honest about it and say "I want better stuff".

But to insinuate that ZOS is making the player's job difficult or miserable by heaping on unwanted items is a bit much. Claiming the rewards is optional. But even if you're a completionist, then a second of your time once a day to clicky on Destroy isn't exactly hard labor.

Allowing us to trade garbage items for 1 gem wouldn't exactly be hard labor either. Allowing us to sell them to a vendor for 1g wouldn't be hard labor. Just adding a SKIP day button, so we could bypass days to get to the next wouldn't be hard labor.

How did you get the idea, they shall generate real money currency for free stuff? That's beyond me, sorry.
For gold, hm, yeah, maybe, but i don't know how easy or not that would be to implement. No clue.
But a skip-button, i'm pretty sure, would flood the support all the time with "mimimi", like "ahhh, accidently skipped the tri-pots, pleeeeease help me...". If that's not hard labor, then what?


Anyway, for me it's not a real issue. But i'm missing the 10-year-celebration-structure of the login rewards a bit, too.
What's the reason for this, for example:

BretonMage wrote: »

That's two months in a row they didn't include a "special" reward in the middle of the month. It was nice to get a little mid-month treat, even if it's a little pet, an accessory or an emote. Even though I don't usually expect much from the daily rewards, these past 2 months' rewards have been rather boring.

So for me personal i would find it great, if there would be 3 specials a month (like housing items, collectibles, emotes, whatever), some seals of endeavor and maybe 2 crates.
Tri-pots and chicken are a must, i think. Golden mats also.
Other potions don't need to be in such masses, but i'm sure, there are other opinions out there.
However, this month is a bit flat, tri-pots are maybe just an oversight (double poison?), but it's not that bad for free.
As a reminder, this month: Would have found more interesting for example like this:


And, of course, 1 or 2 times a year a bunch of 100.000 of gold, Tel'Var and or green alliance bucks. Thank you.

tomofhyrule wrote: »

You mean to tell us that the population who would queue for basegame only and the population who would queue for DLC only are anywhere close to each other in size?

No, I don't think they are near each other in size. I think there are way less that want to queue for DLC dungeons, which makes it more unfair in my mind that the larger group is expected to fill the smaller groups' choices.

DenverRalphy wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

A Random Base Dungeon queue and a Random DLC Dungeon queue would still fill groups in need. Separating them would not stop that. The only difference is that players will ALL get placed where they want to be.

Queueing for specific dungeons to avoid DLCs would completely invalidate the rewards for queueing random so that is not a solution.

I don't understand why there is a problem with separate queues. We already have separate ones for normal and veteran dungeons, so why not this?

Because it increases the chances of longer wait times.

Using simple numbers lets say there are an average of 10 "Helpers" in the Base Game queue at any given time, and 1 Helper in the DLC queue. The Base Game queue can continue to keep the queue moving. Meanwhile, the poor schlubs in the DLC queue stand around forever if any of their groups needs more than 1 spot filled. And vice-versa if DLC has a steady supply of helpers while base game does not.

If the "Helpers" were all in the same queue, then everything moves along.

This is an issue because many players do not want to run DLC dungeons yet they are being forced to so that those that want DLC dungeons can have shorter wait times. This is not fair.

Having separate queues will greatly increase player satisfaction.

If I am a tank and I cone half the group, killing them all, and I lose taunt every fight but I don’t die… then do I deserve the trifecta? I didn’t die, my trifecta is secured… but I killed other people.

If I’m a DPS and, say, in AS, I kite allllll over everyone’s lanes, not dying in the process… do I deserve the trifecta? I killed other people… but I didn’t die.

If I’m a healer and I neglect to give the tank sustain or heal them out of a heal absorption, do I deserve the trifecta if they die? I didn’t die, so my trifecta is secured…

I understand your frustration, it can be hard when you’re trifecta capable but not everyone else is. But just because you didn’t die doesn’t mean you didn’t kill anyone else. That is the true spirit of a trifecta— everyone relying on everyone else to not die and not kill each other.