Just like a trial NM is in normal mode, also just like a normal trial you still need a group, hope this helps.

There are difficulty levels.

Solo

• Normal - mobs, questing, minigames
• Veteran - The Parch world boss
• Veteran HM - Brazen (low) bosses

4 player group

• Normal - Brazen (low) bosses
• Veteran - Some of the Argent (high) bosses
• Veteran HM - Roaming bosses in Skitter and Sorrow, the rest of the Argent bosses

12 player group

• Normal - Argent bosses
• Veteran - Skirmishes, Argent bosses with a roaming boss
• Veteran HM - Skirmishes with a roaming boss

Choosing the activity is choosing the difficulty level.

Would also say it's not just about regular grouping because Night Market groups are pushed harder than regular groups, even though they are larger. I think many are 'used to' either getting out of grouping or just not taking the group construct seriously as something tangible and necessary for a clear; something you have to work at and pay attention to.

To me it really feels like we've gone back in time a bit to have groups used to be where people had to care more and work a bit harder, not just at their roles but pay attention to the group as well. And you know that may just be the best thing about Night Market that I've seen so far.

MidnightDuel wrote: »

Some of us really don't like running add-ons or want to run a minimum of add-ons.

There's a big difference between addons with tens of thousands of lines of code that do lots of complicated things, and smaller, trivial addons.

The addon that stops the auto-pinning of pursuits has literally just one single line of code. It has absolutely zero impact or footprint. The addon to auto-claim tome points and the addon to auto-claim golden pursuits are similarly tiny and simple (though not quite single-line tiny) also with virtually zero impact and footprint. You could have hundreds of simple trivial addons like these and still have less footprint than a single "big" addon like Harvest Map.

Understandably, the vast majority of users of addons are not inspecting what each addon actually does, so most users mentally assign the same weight to each and get concerned when there are "too many" addons, but in reality the "weights" of each addon can vary from a feather to a brick.

Athory wrote: »

Casual/solo players are just being used to “feed” this Hardcore‑only mode. Nothing else.

Except that casual/solo players are the ones who benefit most from grouping in the Night Market.

I can take my undergeared low-CP noob in with a group finder PUG and get carried through all of my dailies and relic farming. Should those other players resent me for "using" them? Or are we all working together to get things done and reap the rewards?

I mean even as a more casual player with a modest build, I can contribute to the group. I can do some damage. I can pay attention to mechanics and explain mechanics to people who aren't familiar with them. I can toss out heals. I can rez people. I can keep a boss fight from resetting by dodge-rolling and spamming Brawler until everyone else makes it back from the respawn platform. That's not "pretending to participate." That's actually participating. And everyone in the group benefits from it.

I just don't see the connection between "people working together" and "those other people are using me and therefore I am being victimized." Especially when you could say the same thing about any group content, yet dungeons and trials and harrowstorms and dragons seem to be perfectly acceptable.

AzuraFan wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

If you want the game to last another ten, twenty years though then you need to anttract another audience.

If attracting one audience results in losing another audience, ESO won't have gained anything. This isn't an argument against creating group content, just pointing out that it would be in ESO's best interest to retain ALL of its current audiences and attract new/returning players.

This is true. Which is why ESO is offering a mix of content.

But that also means there will be times when they release content aimed at a base you're not interested in personally, which is bound to happen. If we want the soloists to stick around, we need to offer solo content. If we want the group players to stick around, we need to offer group content. If we want the PvPers to stick around, we need to offer PvP content. It all tracks.

So getting mad because they released a piece of content that targeted one of those other playerbases? That's someone directly saying they want ZOS to stop focusing on the others. That's that playerbase directly trying to push another out. And as we see in this thread, people are mad at the very idea of making content for groups because they want everything for themselves. And that is a problem.

If it's in ESO's best interest to retain ALL of its current audiences, but one of its audiences can't handle not being catered to every patch, that puts ESO between a rock and a hard place. Do they cater exclusively to the one audience and push out the others? Or do they tell the one audience that other players deserve things too and then that audience leaves because they can't handle not getting 100% of the new content?

Having explored it for a week now I can say that overall I really enjoy it. It’s made the group finder more active, there’s things to do and some of the rewards can be quite nice. The dungeons and trial can be challenging because of the mechanics, not because there is a DPS check. I love how chaotic the skirmishes can get, especially when a wandering boss joins the party.

However, the main issue I see is that the rewards in general are very lackluster. There are no new sets apart from the monster masks that drop from the trial so once people have gotten their achievements there isn’t much reason to go back. Not sure how many players will be going back to grind 10k faction favor for a dye the next time the NM comes around. Better rewards would give more incentive. And by that I mean (unique/rare) gear, furnishing plans, motifs etc from all bosses and not just the roaming ones, skirmish and quest coffers.