Hmm, stirred the pot a little bit so...

Daoin wrote: »

Lumenn wrote: »

I actually don't mind getting the dlc dungeons, especially if it's one I don't have my sticker book full. What DOES irk me is the people "rolling" on a dungeon and because it's a "harder" one dipping, leaving the others(who waited in the que just like everyone else) to hang.

Rewards/punishment should be jumped up. Leave kicking as it is to a vote but if you abandon then a 24 hr penalty on all dungeons, account wide. To give incentive up the rewards (50 transmutes, writ rewards, something)

have you atually ever tried asking for a leave kick to avoid the penalty in a trolling group ? trust me it does not work well, but no doubt the forum will be back another time with bigger words strung together in a coomplex way for the same issue and defending the same old problems, its plain to see by player number a general account from players in game and common sense to understand what is going on. and mentioning transmutes at some just has to become a lol issue in a sane world, nobody i know needs them either anymore, and they were never worth the space in the excuse line to begin with

Don't ask for a kick to avoid the penalty. You rolled on it, take what you get for the run. Edit: missed the part where I mentioned other rewards and zeroed on the transmutes. I'll write again, transmutes, writ rewards, something. Doesn't HAVE to be transmutes

PeacefulAnarchy wrote: »

Lumenn wrote: »

Rewards/punishment should be jumped up. Leave kicking as it is to a vote but if you abandon then a 24 hr penalty on all dungeons, account wide.

There are already people who just leave a dungeon (or log out) without leaving the group, wanting to get kicked rather than leaving the group. This would just lead to them doing that even more.

This I hadn't considered. Perhaps a "warning" on disconnects during a run? 3rd "notice" gets a week penalty? Muwahahaha

SilverBride wrote: »

Lumenn wrote: »

I actually don't mind getting the dlc dungeons, especially if it's one I don't have my sticker book full. What DOES irk me is the people "rolling" on a dungeon and because it's a "harder" one dipping, leaving the others(who waited in the que just like everyone else) to hang.

Rewards/punishment should be jumped up. Leave kicking as it is to a vote but if you abandon then a 24 hr penalty on all dungeons, account wide. To give incentive up the rewards (50 transmutes, writ rewards, something)

Why should players that do not enjoy DLC dungeons have to endure them just because someone else wants to run them? A 24 hour penalty is extremely punitive just for a player choosing to not run a dungeon they don't enjoy.

It would have been nice if they hadn't changed the DLC dungeons to be longer and more difficult than the base game dungeons, but since they did they should make separate queues for them.

It's random. It's a gamble. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Just because a player didn't land on red doesn't mean they get a do over and hurt everyone else involved because they didn't get their way.

SilverBride wrote: »

But those that do not enjoy DLC dungeons should not be forced to fill the groups of those that do.

What "forced"?

The entire point of the Random Daily Dungeon is to fill a group in need. That's it. That's the whole reason it exists. Queueing for Random Daily is entirely optional, and by queueing up for it the player is making an inherrant agreement to help out any random group that needs a spot filled. In return they receive a reward for their generosity of aid.

If a player is hankerin to run a dungeon but doesn't want to take a chance that it may be a DLC, then they should queue specifically for the dungeon they do want.

Wisps count for “watery foes”, I don’t think they ever did for amorphous or did they?

It didn’t help that they insisted on calling it a “season” when that word has such negative connotations for gamers. They shot the selves in the foot right away and doubled down on it even after so many players reacted negatively to it. Then the ESO+ losing value with dungeons turned off a bunch of other players. Scrolling through the achievements for all the “chapters” is quite laughable now. You have all these single word names like Morrowind, Summerset, Elsweyr, Greymoor, Blackwood, Necrom, then Gold Road and High Isle, and then Season of the Worm Cult instead of Solstice.

We used to pay for a chapter for Morrowind and Summerset and got the whole thing up front, then it became buy the chapter and get Northern Elsweyr and you had to have ESO+ to get Southern Elsweyr, and that trend continued. Now you pay up front and only get half of what you will eventually get. Well, that is assuming that the amount of content in the second half is equal to the first half, but I suspect we will get somewhat less than that. It’s an erosion of content and a price hike.

It would have been better for us, if they wanted to do things piecemeal, to charge for the first half and then later charge for the second half. This new format was supposed to ensure the content was ready and robust, and we are not seeing that benefit at all. They are getting all our money up front. If they do not satisfy players this season, then they won’t be coming back for the next one.

I have never been so bored in ESO right now. There is nothing to do that I have not done already dozens of times. The season model is making that worse.

I think even among dlc there's a distinct gap between the dungeons with 3 hardmodes vrs 1.

Lumenn wrote: »

Rewards/punishment should be jumped up. Leave kicking as it is to a vote but if you abandon then a 24 hr penalty on all dungeons, account wide.

There are already people who just leave a dungeon (or log out) without leaving the group, wanting to get kicked rather than leaving the group. This would just lead to them doing that even more.

Every time this gets brought up people argue dlc queues will never fill but now more than ever we should have a split queue. I don’t want to do nondlc and I don’t want to do dlc with people who don’t want to be there.

No, I don't agree. The whole point of random is that you're willing to fill for a group that needs players rather than pick a dungeon yourself. DLC dungeons need to be able to fill so that players can actually do them. The transmutes are payment for your time. Anyone who is queuing for something they don't actually have the intention to do should get a leaver penalty. It's easy enough to shrug off anyway but deters enough people from leaving to make to worth it. And some of them even end up enjoying themselves or realizing normal dlc dungeons aren't that bad.